Open 811 - Lovers and Losers (New Game+) [Game Over]

[yessiree]

VC 1.21

With 9 votes, it takes 5 to eliminate

Kerset (3)

- T-Bone, Bambi Jay, VFP

T-Bone (2)

- Bingle, RationalMadman

Something_Smart (1)

- LlamaFluff

Bambi Jay (1)

- Kerset

Bingle (1)

- Something_Smart

Note Voting - Anastasia

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-05-23 22:00:00)

[Bingle]

CV

[Bambi Jay]

(expired on 2021-05-23 22:00:00)

Have we atleast decided we're starting with the lovers? We might be running out of time.

[Bambi Jay]

Actually wait a second why does it matter if we run out of time if scum don't have a nightphase to shoot us or something

@Mod:

What would you actually do in a nightless game if we run outta time?

[RationalMadman]

Actually wait a second why does it matter if we run out of time if scum don't have a nightphase to shoot us or something

@Mod:

What would you actually do in a nightless game if we run outta time?

The concept I have come across is that the first to non-act is the side that's blackmailed to act unless they want a nobody-wins ending (which is mutual gamethrow by all sides).

[RationalMadman]

in this game, day-phase is the only phase where actions can happen by any side, so in 3 days' time or even 2, depending on the agreement/standard, we are all forced to vote someone off or everyone loses.

In a scenario with a night phase where it's the night phase where inaction began, it's the night-phase that action must occur (scum vs protection stalemate is devastating in this case and comes down to mod interpretation which side is more to blame for not trying to avoid the stalemate).

[LlamaFluff]

Actually wait a second why does it matter if we run out of time if scum don't have a nightphase to shoot us or something

@Mod:

What would you actually do in a nightless game if we run outta time?

The concept I have come across is that the first to non-act is the side that's blackmailed to act unless they want a nobody-wins ending (which is mutual gamethrow by all sides).

I actually checked this pre-game to confirm... its old school rules (like pre 2012 standard ruleset) where if no majority highest vote getter goes. If its a tie whoever got to that number of votes first goes.

[VFP]

Nightless actually changes things here.
A lim on the scum lovers day 1 is an automatic win.

I'm going to think on it first then see where I go.

[RationalMadman]

I do not want to see a single Vanilla claim playing neutral due to the mechanic Llama said, that's not an excuse. You must take responsibility for your read and I will scumread anyone over Bambi if they remain totally neutral to the day's end. Vote who you believe is the scummiest pair and do not vote Bingle instead of Kerset or Klick instead of Tbone, that is just being ridiculous.

If you think Ana and I are scum, say it and vote one of us. Justify the vote regardless and don't remain neutral saying you didn't care because of maj going no matter what.

[RationalMadman]

Nightless actually changes things here.
A lim on the scum lovers day 1 is an automatic win.

I'm going to think on it first then see where I go.

It isn't, there is another mechanical way for scum to win (being the only vanilla left). Why didn't you read the OP fully?

[RationalMadman]

Well not OP, 2 below it but the point still stands.

[VFP]

Hmm okay.

Well I still think it changes what direction I should go in.
So basically I just need 1 strong TR in the VT's and lim right today in the lovers.

This makes me read Vex differently though.

[Bambi Jay]

Nightless actually changes things here.
A lim on the scum lovers day 1 is an automatic win.

I'm going to think on it first then see where I go.

I mean by default of Tbone your my top townread but you didn't know the wincons coming in? Geez.

Scum win with 2 elims of either group. But yeah my vote is on Kerset still until this day ends unless all the lovers basically choose to go for the singles.

[yessiree]

@mod - Can we get an extension? We just replaced almost a third of the game and now have under 48 hours to deadline with weekend when a lot of people disappear coming up.

Sure, adding 48 hours to current deadline.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-05-25 22:00:00)

@Mod: What would you actually do in a nightless game if we run outta time?

This is covered in the rules under Voting section.

[RationalMadman]

I have voted who I believe is scum, I hope the majority builds, that is my final verdict.

[VFP]

I mean by default of Tbone your my top townread but you didn't know the wincons coming in? Geez.

I replaced in.
My wincon is just to get all mafia. Although wrong, it's understandable to assume scum also have a generic win con.

[RationalMadman]

I mean by default of Tbone your my top townread but you didn't know the wincons coming in? Geez.

I replaced in.
My wincon is just to get all mafia. Although wrong, it's understandable to assume scum also have a generic win con.

You'd read it as Town I am sure.

Telle, what is your read on Bingle and why?

[Something_Smart]

Tempted to say VFP's confusion is genuine.

[Kerset]

@llama @VV please make a stand point around me, Bone and that staff. You are avoiding this for too long and this will be crucial for future association.

ignored....

[VFP]

So I have 1 game with RM, yet he is confident that I'm a competent player as town.
What gives this impression, RM?

[Kerset]

Telle, what is your read on Bingle and why?

actually i dont recall you giving individual read on Bingle @RM

[Kerset]

I think that your Ana is cute.

[RationalMadman]

So I have 1 game with RM, yet he is confident that I'm a competent player as town.
What gives this impression, RM?

I read your other games, most are ongoing from what I see though therefore I can't give details.

As a 'newbie' you knew how to breadcrumb your tracker report on day 2 of the game we played and you even made sure to put Rathe at the bottom of your townreads to make very clear what you were doing to a more observant player. That game is over so I can say that.

You also read Andante and many players in that game we played well despite being as I said, a 'newbie'. You replaced in there too, showing how fast you can read a game and know your situation/surroundings, you also softed being a PR to me when I asked your role on Day 1 though you could have replied the same implicit hint as a VT to me asking your role.

[RationalMadman]

When I say read other games, skimread is a better term to use.

[RationalMadman]

Telle, what is your read on Bingle and why?

actually i dont recall you giving individual read on Bingle @RM

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^ Until this I scumread Bingle overall. Chronologically ordered.
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In short, my read on Bingle is that I can't read him this game, that isn't ignorance or stupidity it's honesty. I think Bingle can have played absolutely every situation this game as Scum and as Town as well, it comes down to why he suddenly 'lost interest' why his stance is a lot more defensive and reactionary and in this case due to pairs, how his partner in the pair reacts to situations vs the other pair then my own. Tbone and Klick (now VFP) don't read Town to me at all, thus I do not scumread Bingle over them and it seems everyone agrees what I thought was a slip from Bingle may well not have been (calling it a mason thread in the heat of the moment, rather than Lover PT or Lover Thread, or even 'hydra thread' all which would match his lexical history more vs last game though I don't think he ever called it a hydra thread).