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[Infinity 324]

but does scum!unwnd do that

I don't have enough meta to say for sure

[srckz]

I think you're town Inf and you should just go the dungeon with me. Would get some alleviated stress off you. I think you are capable of your emotional resonance and can tap into it as scum, but when you say things like 'I'm tired of explaining' that feels more on the behest of your own want to be understood. Not merely scum who is trying to dodge the question.

[Infinity 324]

comfy reaction emoji

[Chromium]

but does scum!unwnd do that

I don't have enough meta to say for sure

you just finished a game with scum unwnd, did you not?

[Chromium]

alright - here's a tough one -

what is everyone's reasons for townreading Emily?
minus the diffusion thing

[Infinity 324]

but does scum!unwnd do that

I don't have enough meta to say for sure

you just finished a game with scum unwnd, did you not?

He didn't do the "I'm done explaining" in that game, but you'd only say that in a pretty specific context so 1 game is too small of a sample

[srckz]

I'm sitting at null with her, I'd have the same question, probably.

[Chromium]

also in case anyone thinks im trying to discred/setup here - im just forcing stances to be taken, and add to the info we have available on the board.

i feel the nightkill potentially coming my way tonight and i'd rather at least help the dayplay.

i DO have more mech thoughts for a potential 8 way tomorrow but i'd rather just not out that atm because it involves a lot of math with levels and stuff and at that point id rather focus on dayplay when we have guaranteed eliminations.

[OkaPoka]

Official Vote Count 1.18

Execute

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to end day early.

End Day -2 -

srckz, Infinity 324

Not Voting -7 -

Dunnstral, Emily, Morning Tweet, Ydrasse, Chromium, Isis, JohnnyFarrar

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-05-22 16:02:45)

Mod notes:

I am hand counting everything, so please tell me if I make an error! Also note the changed deadline![/area]

[srckz]

Alright I'm genuinely checking out

I've said everything I've possibly wanted to for this day. If anyone has any questions refer to 1725-1726

Time for Castlevanila

[Chromium]

i wanna look at some of the lower WIM slots here at EoD mainly because thats the main reason i wanted to utilize the whole day. scum WIM will always decrease over time in the dayphase, except with people who are crazy and actually like playing scum(me lol) and even I suffer WIM loss on a phase where I need to fake something that's not so easy to fake, or i will end up eventually slipping up something because i have to constantly weave a web.

[srckz]

but does scum!unwnd do that

I don't have enough meta to say for sure

Just saying if you (or anyone else) wants to do the busywork here is another scumgame of mine.

I won it winning a cc battle with the vig with a cleared IC and not having to actually bus my partner.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85416

[Chromium]

lmao i was gonna replace into that but read how much of a shitfest that game was and declined to in case i rolled town in the slot

[Chromium]

town was so screwed from d1 because you could just feel how lost they were. also vig was big lol

[Chromium]

town should have 100% just limmed the stronger player in that cc because those vig shots were so yikes

[JohnnyFarrar]

My favorite thing about my son is the hypocrisy. *kicks blanket across the room* *cries his hardest because he's cold*

I'm conceding the isis point. Call it tentative trust in Ydrasse

[Morning Tweet]

Not that this is super important but Ydrasse fits how i would envision a ydrasse who is very tired of playing scum multiple times in a row looks like. I think if she were scum it'd be more similar to the chain of scum games recently, but instead she came across as way more on fire

I concur she has a really good scum game but i want to say she's getting a well deserved respite from the alignment and this is probably what that looks like. So overall i think out of everyone she's had the hardest performance to fake thus far. Can vibe with Isis' thoughts on the matter too certainly

and its odd you didn't even quote a single thing from that page here - but you had a townread there based on a townping?

@ydrasse do you feel that isis' read on you is genuine and not TMI?

You asked for the bastion of the high confidence of my Ydrasse townread, I picked out the points that were the strongest. That was a townread from a lower information phase, I can go through and pickout why I was feeling that way then if you want.

Both those posts are not all-in

no, you've said enough. I think you've TMI'd ydrasse as town here and are trying to pocket her.

Have you never townread somebody but gone back to figure out the concrete reasons later on and developed your reasons as they are asked for? When i don't have a game perfectly cached in my mind i sometimes give reads and evaluate them live when prompted to give more solid reasoning for em. Sometimes it includes stuff i didnt have access to or didnt see at the time

Essentially if asked to give reasons for why i believe someone's town sometimes i go back and read off the top of my head. Interestingly enough as scum im more likely to have the reasoning on hand because i feel scared someone will ask me for my reasoning, i wont know, then ill get accused of whatever bs. So using whatever evidence you notice on a fresh read-thru can be a sign of not stressing keeping track of your reads perfectly (or, a sign of scum who straight up doesnt know and is making stuff up, which i take it is how you're interpreting it)

Although i think it does heavily imply ydrasse as town if isis were to be scum but that's more of a read id make after isis' flip in that case

I can't even tell if you're drawing a conclusion from this exercise, or it was a reaction test, or whatever it was but i wrote this so here it is

does this mean I can skip MT and go build my netrunner deck

nyoooooooooooooo you need to scumread me more so the story won't be outdated

[Morning Tweet]

I'm seeing their scumminess in the lack of progression and how they stifle.

I think not into the game is a fair characterization

Lack of progression seems a little harsh although id have to pose that question to others

Also I could really see Johnny being town cause im missing why ppl are scumreading there so that kinda feels bad

Out of curiosity, does scum lose (more or less) if two of them get sent into the dungeon? Because either one abandons and the other dies or both abandon and both get shown as escapees -- interesting

This is a tough game i still see every player as possibly scum, although if i rate my levels of hypothetical surprise and shock in my mind...

Ydrasse
Isis
Chrom // Emily
srckz // Johnny
Infinity // Dunny

This is like purely from lingering stuff that seemed towny to me probably by basically tone. And because I have read basically nothing of Dunn. And Chrom/srckz are kinda hedged downwards since i believe every member of those hydras could get townread on a d0 and maybe even would more likely be to be honest. Although I like Chrome more

Agree with Chrome's rationality to drag the day out further i agree thats +town but admittedly it's not as bad for scum if they're already townread. I still like the approach miles more than srckz and whoever voting to end the day

Ydra is playing way different than board games but they were doing some scummy award winning deep fake shit in that game so we'll call it a light townread

Kobas plan is good so kobas good

Tweet seems like they'll be easier to sort with content

Inf is sort of stating more than intuiting most of their content, which hits me all wrong

Dunn is a null but doesn't seem worried about a mech solve despite following along with the mech stuff so lean town

Who am I missing?

using this as a jumping board (springboard?)

I dont see why scum would oppose the optimal mech plan ever and i think "solving" this setup is in both alignments' interest since i think the best conclusion was going to be found so it may as well be you who presents it (if that makes sense). Like it's got an objective best answer more or less i think

Emily is good for reasons

i like that read

I kinda want infinity to be scum for the solveee cause then Isis/Johnny probably are less likely scum and then probably PoE broadens a bit quickly enough for us to address the partner before losing. Course going off vibes i'd just guess infinity w/ srcks but realistically could b anyone

[Morning Tweet]

I see mainly Dunn talking mechanical (and as Johnny said, supporting the existing plan). Although i mean i dont see why he wouldnt especially considering i dont think Dunn has gotten any heat this phase. If both partners arent in the dungeon i dont think scum sweats it

Regardless of mechanics being 'easy to fake' we still have to talk about them

hehe why yes my dear i suppose thats true but i still find them more or less helpful for any alignment to participate in if you've got the mind for it. The core idea that "townread ppl are better off so scum need to be townread" thing still applies regardless of mech, the positive reads you get for this discussion outweigh the negatives by far since i believe someone would have revealed the correct strategy anyway. May as well be you

I hate that it seems like im mostly talking about Chrome who i dont really think is all that likely to be scum but if they are i think the mechanical stuff played into ppls reads too much. To ease my soul on the subject...

i reread. who is MT's partner is the solution here.

infinity+MT im locking that in. =

ydrasse, isis or MT, who am i meta diving next?

i really got nothing. most of MT is NAI

the best i got is that infinity/MT don't seem aligned if 1 is scum

Reevaluating me from bottom barrel scum to just scumlean via my meta seems sort of pointless for scum!Chrome but obviously easily town motivated.

Call me biased but i find it a lot more charitable than srckz who is more or less content having me at the bottom for being souless (Which granted i can't exactly blame them, but I find that to be a more believable scum minded read)

Anyway still scrolling thru Dunn's ISO i dont find myself super motivated one way or the other, should see what other ppl say cause I suppose im not exactly great at reading Dunn. It is overwhelmingly mechanics based thru here

[JohnnyFarrar]

I dont see why scum would oppose the optimal mech plan ever and i think "solving" this setup is in both alignments' interest since i think the best conclusion was going to be found so it may as well be you who presents it (if that makes sense). Like it's got an objective best answer more or less i think

I'm not looking for opposition as much as... like reticence? What's the opposite of excitement?

[Morning Tweet]

Unwnd have you posted a lot this game just cause other people have

Hah, good question

pedit: Fair although i suppose i still think of it this way:

You're mechanically minded or not, and regardless of alignment you're gonna use that to A.) get the optimal mech or B.) seem towny -- and scum will opt to do this because there's always going to be town who expose the optimal mech anyway

Yes i get that this mindset devalues this day heavily for me so it's probably not a great one to have but >w>

[Morning Tweet]

Ahhh (i think) that's that question where Infinity came across as kinda not sure where to go with it and whether or was scummy or not, i've found it interesting twice now

Unwnd have you posted a lot this game just cause other people have

Idk I did mention try to keep my post count down early on, I haven't really done that but

I guess it seems a bit +scum to me that you haven't seemed to try to keep your post count down

Though I understand if you just don't really try to begin with in a plist like this

I get why you asked it now, i didnt the first time around

I hmm said something like it didnt have a lot of soul or conviction behind the accusation and was more of just a curiosity since it didnt really seem to accuse unwnd of anything. I certainly dont do that exclusively as scum, although probably more often since i usually have a harder time thinking of things to say

Looking through i tonewise find infinity's resignation to go out / die in the dungeon towny but well, you know how that is. Deeply interested in infinity's chrome read

Sometimes I wonder what it takes to get people to TR me as town

It's like in a box townie

but if your range is pretty good then it would just remain in a box

My range is theoretically pretty good but in practice I'm inconsistent.

I probably shouldn't be complaining because I'm usually towny d1 as scum but so are like isis and you. Idk

Kinda like this area too >.>

About the Chrome read -- I was wondering earlier about the discrediting Chrome thing being a scum motivated strat, but i think if Infinity were on a scumteam you wouldnt have her do it, no one would listen and really i think all you expect to accomplish is TMIing Chrome town. So i wonder why scum!Infinity places faith in that read, seemingly. Don't have any more time to look but i think depending on how im feeling there, it could be relevant

[Morning Tweet]

it's light outside ●︿●

That's bull

i dont think u were going to but dont end the day

[Morning Tweet]

srcks/infinity being the ones (currently) voting to end the day early is funny coincidence with the random vibe team (With Infinity putting it X-1!) How else are you gonna get my... useful..... ish thoughts if thread's not open at 5 am

Although Johnny/Isis did too course

i genuinely dunno what the thought process was even at the time cause it seems like everything was still getting hashed out or hadn't been hashed out yet with regards to dictator ydrasse

another time tho

[Morning Tweet]

I'm a little frustrated it might not be infinity though

I still buy there being one out of infinity and srckz, probably easily so. As easily as i can do for a d0 anyway which is like no confidence really at all.

If srckz is the bad one then like i think more options are possible since i think that would mean infinity was getting focused as primary scum more or less as a scapegoat

Realistically i think it's nearly impossible for it to actually be both of them