Open 811 - Lovers and Losers (New Game+) [Game Over]

[yessiree]

Something_Smart is eliminated. He was a Vanilla Townie.

Day 1 has ended. Day 2 is starting soon!

[yessiree]

Day 2 begins with fancy VC colours.

VC 2.0

With 8 votes, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Note voting - T-Bone, LlamaFluff, Kerset, RationalMadman, Bingle, Anastasia, VFP, Bambi Jay

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-06-02 16:00:00)

[VFP]

I feel like this diverted because I was right in the lovers, but for the wrong reasons.

If Bambi is scum there's bussing.
On the spot choice in lovers would be RM/Ana but I feel that liming VT there only favours scum as a whole.

@T-Bone

how much do you favour Bambi town over Llama here? Is Bambi just set town in your eyes?
I will go over some things on both after work for reasons either are scum but I'll follow.

The only way I see Bingle as scum here is if we were a threat to not be the lim on an RM/Ana town flip. I think in that situation it favours me and you as a lim over Bingle and Kerset so it doesn't add up.

[Anastasia]

VOTE: llama

I have done all I can

not even my own lover who knows i am mod confirmed innocent will help me

i am in despair

a deep despair with no hope.

[Anastasia]

i dont understand why you think you have to be right RM

i really dont.

what is so amazing about your Bambi solution?

have you even considered for a second you could be wrong?

[Anastasia]

llama floats above with no votes.

so calm no worries

most townread of VTs

just like last game

when he was scum and had no trouble

it is infuriating.

[Anastasia]

if llama wins this i dont count this as a loss for me

i catch him as scum nobody listens to me

it is what it is.

[Bambi Jay]

Oh.

I mean I guess I gotta vote Llama now but I wasn't expecting it. Vex legit was paranoid enough to just give up solving Llama.

VOTE: Llama

Ana I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm only recognizing it now half awake because it's literally me or him.

[Kerset]

so do we want to risk with another vt, which may lead to instant lose or do we go lovers now for more data?

[Bambi Jay]

I mean... Can you convince me or Llama to not instantly vote the guy who's confirmed evil in our mind now?

[Anastasia]

if we miss in lovers we just lose

[VFP]

so do we want to risk with another vt, which may lead to instant lose or do we go lovers now for more data?

Wrong lovers means we lose anyway.
We have 50% chance in VT and 33% in lovers.

I already went through this and why lovers were the better option.
So we stay in the VTs today.

[VFP]

I just feel like Llama isn't scum here.
No more votes yet, other than Llama on Bambi.

[Anastasia]

I'm shocked you are hard defending Llama

I couldn't have seen that happening at all

[Anastasia]

Kill T-Bone/VFP after us - you can blame me for being a moron if they somehow flip town. I really really really really doubt they flip town here.

in the VT pool kill Llama, game should be over then.

[Anastasia]

the solution is just Llama - T-Bone - VFP

VFP first post out of post-flip is to continue on with defending Llama by shading Bambi, then pushes on Ana/RM being scum even though earlier he had said SS is our scum partner.

There is no re-consideration of game state, the flip doesn't change his views at all. He hard tunnels on his solution because he can't afford to have Llama flip scum here.

He knows if I can get Llama dead and flipped red I will hard push for his elimination and its game over for scum so he has to double down on protecting Llama.

[VFP]

I'm shocked you are hard defending Llama

I couldn't have seen that happening at all

I'm just trying to figure out if you're going for the win with fake AtE or if I'm getting baited hard to defend your buddy here.

[Anastasia]

*throws my shoe at VFP*

[Anastasia]

These are the scum teams

RM / Ana / SS
Kerset / Bingle / Llama
Me / T-Bone / Bambi

You said this when you tried to pushkill me yesterday ^

So from your POV if you truly believed it, SS flipping town would make RM/Ana town, which means the only scum team possible from a town!you POV is Kerset/Bingle, which would make Llama the scum.

But here you open up and push Bambi instead, protecting your buddy Llama because you KNOW I will come after you hard after Llama red flips and you have no choice but to go for a win now, you can't bus and have it fall back into lovers.

[VFP]

Okay, let's talk as if we are are both confirmed town just for a moment.
Why does Bingle take the lim from your pair to VT? Considering a town flip makes me and T Bone the favored lim.

I could be right with my statement still of course, but this just makes no sense right now.

[Kerset]

SS was like 0 information elim

[VFP]

Is that in response to me?

[Kerset]

no

[Kerset]

i dont understand why you think you have to be right RM

i really dont.

what is so amazing about your Bambi solution?

have you even considered for a second you could be wrong?

the amazing part is that we got two matching ones glowing in the dark with sparkles

[Kerset]

I can't figure out what was even the counterwagon here. Bambi got votes after SS did, so scum didn't push SS to save her. Earlier Ana was pushed by emotional trio (bone, vfp, bambi) but they also ended up on SS.