Happy Face Mafia (Game Over)

[VFP]

I still think a no lim then lim me tomorrow is a better chance here.
I'm not going to overly argue me as town here because there's many negative factors, even with positive ones.
I didn't push Bell, I gave reason to show that the Andante claim was false, I thought jjh as scum from early, I gave reason to Titus town.

But from all perspectives, I can be / am town. Lim on town me today is a loss 4/6 times. Leave it over night and there's a 1/4 chance that I'm the Samantha kill.
This also changes nothing from today and will look negatively on me tomorrow if I start pushing else where.

Flea should always be in a final 3 I believe? And its possible we have 5 tomorrow although doubtful. 1/2 chance of 4 players tomorrow with a no lim due to cross over or Samantha's ability being on Flea.
Flea and Willow should never be considered. If we manage to get both into tomorrow then scum fucked up, meaning Willow dies tonight regardless.

VOTE: No lim

Take your time but the only play is a no lim here.

[Flea The Magician]

Lets broaden the scope, who has targetted me at all this game?

[VFP]

I haven't.

[VFP]

Is this including dead players?

[Flea The Magician]

Nope, living.

[Flea The Magician]

I mean, the dead can't talk. and we know T3 targetted me... as did someone else, can't remember who...

[VFP]

I thought you meant that you had information to someone targeting you.
Well no one alive could have visited you without lying. So I doubt they admit it now.

[Retti]

I mean, the dead can't talk. and we know T3 targetted me... as did someone else, can't remember who...

willow's checks were vfp/titus/raya/bears/me, if someone alive checked you they're scum with an ability they haven't claimed. Theoretically Bamboozle or Wheme could have targeted you, I guess?

[Retti]

Also, no one else vote no fade until we sort out what's going on here with flea

[samantha97]

I'm actually a serial killer who got stopped by wheme night 2 and am not really poisoned; jjh/titus was just obvious

[Flea The Magician]

Oh don't put too much stock in what I have now, it's what i have later that's going to be the breaker.

Inflatable musclemen suits are fun.

[Flea The Magician]

Meanwhile sam just claimed. time to yeet?

[samantha97]

I was kidding, also still waiting on your claim

[Flea The Magician]

Oh don't put too much stock in what I have now, it's what i have later that's going to be the breaker.

Inflatable musclemen suits are fun.

[Raya36]

scum me can safely put the eggs in getting you voted out w/ vfp as a backup, there's no point in me damaging credibility going on a tinfoil adventure against retti except for bizarre towncred

you are 100% the targeted miselim no matter who scum is in me, retti, vfp and not a crucial swingvoter lol

Yeah that's true. It was mostly the timing of it being right after my post.

I also was on Andante day 3 before the guilty was even outed, I missed enchant early but I'm giving myself credit for that pelt

Hm ok, I think you're probably just town.

What do you think of my maybe surface-level point on Willow?
And what do you think of VFP making the elim pool only me and themselves?

With regard to willow I've been town reading him because I wouldn't expect him to play this way and try to exert basically 0 influence over the game at all as scum. I don't think clearing me here is a guaranteed towntell though because he'd probably realize I'm not a realistic target for suspicion. I'm gonna revisit him to check because I don't give anyone a free pass at endgame.

Thanks, I'm at the point where I have you sorted as town and Willow leaning town, so this was helpful. I still need to reevaluate the others

I'll be honest here: the only thing keeping me from just saying fuck it and voting VFP is the blase roleclaim and NKA (does he kill dunn when dunn was the one person calling him town?). But beyond that:

- Andante barely acknowledges his existence
- jjh calls him town earlier and buddies Esooa for "challenging the VFP wagon", otherwise calls him town with nothing attached, mentions him as a scumlean late with no reasons attached to it
- Enchant votes him but Enchant's an idiot who gets bus-happy day 1
- vfp doesn't mention enchant
- wants Titus over andante (1432) but otherwise barely acknowledges her existence (1813 also looks weird on a revisit)
- has jjh as a scum lean but doesn't really pressure there at all until he's guiltied

Like...this looks more or less slam dunk, to me. Are there reasons to townread him beyond the VT claim?

Dunn was modconfirmed town though and I think that's more important to get rid of than it is to keep the person townreading you
Wouldn't Andante barely acknowledge him point towards them being scum together? Same for VFP not mentioning enchant?

I'm actually a serial killer who got stopped by wheme night 2 and am not really poisoned; jjh/titus was just obvious

How did I not connect "a random townie will die every night as long as I'm alive" to serial killer even if this is a joke

[Retti]

Dunn was modconfirmed town though and I think that's more important to get rid of than it is to keep the person townreading you
Wouldn't Andante barely acknowledge him point towards them being scum together? Same for VFP not mentioning enchant?

That's a fair point although it's not like killing me would've raised any eyebrows. My point with regard to the VFP stuff

was

that all of it makes him look more like scum, and the reasons for townreading him are, IDK, vibes?

[Retti]

tried looking up jjh scum meta for patterns, most recent game I found was from over a year ago and isn't really useful - he was very distance-heavy in that game but his teammates were active and willing participants there and they were winning handily (there was a multiball game more recently but lolmultiball). So that's really a dead end given that he was trying to sneak townreads on his teammates in this game and he barely interacted with them.

I might go back and see if I can dig anything from enchant scum meta given he's rolled it a few times recently - I had actually meant to take a look because I was checking flea's meta from electoral college on day 3 right before T3 claimed and cleared flea and I was like, "oh, don't have to worry about that anymore" and dropped looking at enchant, but seeing as he's new there's a very decent chance he has revealing patterns in his scumplay he isn't aware of yet.

[samantha97]

Oh don't put too much stock in what I have now, it's what i have later that's going to be the breaker.

Inflatable musclemen suits are fun.

you realize this is potentially lylo right

[samantha97]

and that you can simply die tonight if you're town regardless

[samantha97]

anyway glancing at the list that retti quoted is pretty incriminating for raya from my point of view

[Flea The Magician]

Yup, it's mis-yeet and lose. WHich is slightly annoying but it is what it is.
What I have now, is nothing but data. What I have when tomorrow comes you weird SK you, is hopefully the second weirdest mechguilty I've ever achieved.

[Retti]

anyway glancing at the list that retti quoted is pretty incriminating for raya from my point of view

Wait, how is it bad for

Raya

?

[samantha97]

Wait, how is it bad for

Raya

?

Aside from you being locktown

Bear hydra is locktown

Enchant is town

Bamboozle is town

VFP is town

Bell is town

Wheme looks town

Titus looked town but I'm not sure I can read Titus

Raya is a scumlean,

as is samantha

, and I'm torn on Retti

I mean I guess it could look bad for you too, since the idea is that he wouldn't list back to back mafia and would have 1 in the bottom 3

i.e. the list says vfp is town from how I interpret it, and if you're town then raya is mafia

[Retti]

The problem with arbitrary list based logic like that is that people who are aware of rule of 3 thinking will intentionally subvert it and jjh doesn't seem like a player who tries to be predictable - he already stuck two struggling teammates in his townreads there. The question is whether he'd just votepark a teammate in RVS and leave it there while passively shading them. On my skim earlier today I didn't think they looked teamed but I've already forgotten why.

[Retti]

I don't know why I just spent an hour looking over enchant's scum meta only to realize he barely played this game and quit when Bell's slot got dueled