Mini Normal 2213 - Village (End Game)

[ItalianoVD]

Why are you specifically contrasting these posts?

No reason in particular. I was catching up and these posts in succession stood out to me.

[Noraa]

IVD is such a strange abbreviation O_O

[Noraa]

I don't like it

[ssbm_Kyouko]

So you really think I've left my vote on you this entire day phase solely because of RVS?

Pedit:@Italiano

[ItalianoVD]

I don’t feel any different about it with the fact it was a follow-up response to a joke claim. My premise was that the wagon not being larger was due to scum stepping off, and honestly I’d put greater suspicion on an unvote that uses a joke claim as its basis.
Okay I see what you what you were thinking now.

As for Kyouko not interacting on that point, from what I saw we had practically the same thinking about VFP. If our thought slightly differed I’d have expected interaction, but any interaction in this case would have basically been echoing each other’s thoughts.

I don't think it was entirely the same, maybe the initial perception of the wagon was, but the response to it wasn't. You voted for VFP thinking he was scum and his partner was distancing. Kyouko voted for one of the VFP voters thinking they were scum jumping on a town wagon? Obviously I'm biased because he's voting me, but you and Johnny were voting VFP and yet he voted for me under the premise that he didn't like the voters. I could actually see and understand your reasoning and response. Kyouko to me doesn't make sense.

[ItalianoVD]

Fixed it.

I don’t feel any different about it with the fact it was a follow-up response to a joke claim. My premise was that the wagon not being larger was due to scum stepping off, and honestly I’d put greater suspicion on an unvote that uses a joke claim as its basis.

Okay I see what you what you were thinking now.

As for Kyouko not interacting on that point, from what I saw we had practically the same thinking about VFP. If our thought slightly differed I’d have expected interaction, but any interaction in this case would have basically been echoing each other’s thoughts.

I don't think it was entirely the same, maybe the initial perception of the wagon was, but the response to it wasn't. You voted for VFP thinking he was scum and his partner was distancing. Kyouko voted for one of the VFP voters thinking they were scum jumping on a town wagon? Obviously I'm biased because he's voting me, but you and Johnny were voting VFP and yet he voted for me under the premise that he didn't like the voters. I could actually see and understand your reasoning and response. Kyouko to me doesn't make sense.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

IVD is such a strange abbreviation O_O

I don't like it

If you don't like it so much why dont you lynch it? ;o

[ItalianoVD]

Third try. Sorry I'm a perfectionist

I don’t feel any different about it with the fact it was a follow-up response to a joke claim. My premise was that the wagon not being larger was due to scum stepping off, and honestly I’d put greater suspicion on an unvote that uses a joke claim as its basis.

Okay I see what you were thinking now.

As for Kyouko not interacting on that point, from what I saw we had practically the same thinking about VFP. If our thought slightly differed I’d have expected interaction, but any interaction in this case would have basically been echoing each other’s thoughts.

I don't think it was entirely the same, maybe the initial perception of the wagon was, but the response to it wasn't. You voted for VFP thinking he was scum and his partner was distancing. Kyouko voted for one of the VFP voters thinking they were scum jumping on a town wagon? Obviously I'm biased because he's voting me, but you and Johnny were voting VFP and yet he voted for me under the premise that he didn't like the voters. I could actually see and understand your reasoning and response. Kyouko to me doesn't make sense.

[Noraa]

IVD is such a strange abbreviation O_O

I don't like it

If you don't like it so much why dont you lynch it? ;o

Because Ita has talked to me about how much he gets SR and my heart feels for him

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Do you SR him this game though?

[Noraa]

Do you SR him this game though?

no not really. I don't tend to SR him normally.

[VFP]

There's scum is Lukewarm, Nora, IVD, and Johny.

Because I saw that they called me town.
And I didn't like it.

Okay. Can you say more about this? It’s a pretty general statement.

Because I've done fuck all this game.
Nora and IVD look the worst though jumping off the wagon.

[Save The Dragons]

do you have any thoughts based on those slots based on content

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Do you SR him this game though?

no not really. I don't tend to SR him normally.

What about my vote on him and my thoughts on him? I dont think you've commented yet.

[Noraa]

Do you SR him this game though?

no not really. I don't tend to SR him normally.

What about my vote on him and my thoughts on him? I dont think you've commented yet.

tbh I've skipped over most of the heavy content posts. Last couple days of school and a totally fried brain do not want to read posts longer than two sentences.
Direct me to the important posts. I'll give them a read.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

So you read my conversation with Luke but nothing with Italiano?

[Noraa]

So you read my conversation with Luke but nothing with Italiano?

I don't think I read most of your convo with Luke. If I did, I skimmed/only read parts.

[JohnnyFarrar]

This is a post acknowledging that I'm having trouble engaging with this game in particular. Not sure why.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Hmmmmmmm

I was finding you quotes on mobile as my internet is out atm. Will see what I can find via iso on mobile but it's just going to be an unformatted quote dump

[ssbm_Kyouko]

^I say was because as I was doing it, I realized I have a lot of long posts with Luke as well and you reacted to those posts as though you had read them so I'm more than a little sus right now

[ssbm_Kyouko]

420

[Save The Dragons]

blaze it

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Hiding the quote dump for Noraa. All the Ita quotes in the middle are the ones he posted right before I indicated it seemed his tone had changed and that he'd been coached. The post in which I indicated that follows his posts.

Spoiler:

Also I know it's already been said but I disagree on this being distancing. Seems to me to be RVS, though I did notice the same thing, that the votes came in somewhat quickly. I don't like any of the voters for VFP...

That what happens in RVS. Votes come in, wagons form; most time quickly. What else do you think is gonna happen? You already have a solid enough read for VFP to “not like” his voters? That’s sus bruh.

I didn't say I had any type of read on VFP

Just did a reread and I have something to discuss here. I have something for Johnny as well but I'm going to separate the posts for context.

I didn't say I had any type of read on VFP

But my thing is why did you single out the VFP voters? Why not the Johnny voters or the Noraa voters. I’m trying to understand your angle here and it’s not making me feel good.

As I reread this post it stuck out to me because I feel like it should be apparent to Ita why the VFP wagon was of interest to me, specifically because of the comments he later makes regarding VCA. I remember thinking when he first posted about VCA that I also play that way in later Days and because of that playstyle I've grown more attentive of early voting patterns and wagons in general. I feel like Ita, as a player who touts VCA, should not have been surprised that I "singled out" the VFP wagon.

Quotes where he mentions VCA:

And yeah you are the townsiest townie that ever was in a town Noraa!

Remember a while back I said I could read you. I still think I can. It doesn’t really show up in your play. I think if you’re scum it’ll show up in your voting patterns. And I do vca so...

Wtf, who votes a day 13 IC?
All we have to do is no lim every day, hope something assists in stopping kills and I'm actually confirmed as town or scum by that point.

I don't think VCA is reliable for me. Sometimes I vote like twice in a whole large theme and sometimes I vote every two minutes. Theres ... no consistency.
But Ita, I do think you're town so I'll try to save you. Lemme first figure out why your wagons piling up lol.

VCA is reliable for everybody, lol.

I don’t ever really know why I’m scumread but I always am. I just assume it’s because I say or do things that’s easy for scum to latch onto. But if we do decide to wagon ssbm I’ll vote there. I still don’t like the fact of the singling out of the VFP wagon, even though he explained it.

I think the main thing I wanna address here is the part about directly talking to Noraa
what I see as the core cause of that is that Noraa simply has the most posts so far, by a sizable margin. So it's easiest to interact with her.

Do not like this post.

VOTE: Gamma

Can you articulate why? I can see a potential logic to this comment, I wonder if I'm right about it.

I feel like you approached it defensively, when Noraa was not scum reading you for it, and I when I read through, I did not think twice about it. But for you it was "the main thing you wanna address here"

Felt like you were primed to defend yourself

So reading this, I disagree with Luke's conclusion, though I do see potential for a townie thought process behind the post...

But my thing is why did you single out the VFP voters? Why not the Johnny voters or the Noraa voters. I’m trying to understand your angle here and it’s not making me feel good.

Correction, there were four wagons with 2 votes: Gamma, STD, Max, and VFP. I’m curious why VFP’s stood out to you over the others.

VFP's actually had movement of people coming on and off, so it stood out to me. I think at the time there had been 3 people, maybe 4 that had voted VFP at some point. 2 RVS votes on the same person does not a wagon make. When votes start going on and off like that though, it piques my interest

yeah I thought like this too, it's why I voted VFP

As a person who moved on then off of the VFP RVS vote, I just thought it would be funnier to play into his joke.

Should I claim?

Should I claim?

Maybe not quite yet, but things do appear to be moving in that direction

I'm a day 13 IC - unlucky for some.

I'm a day 13 IC - unlucky for some.

Oh shit.
UNVOTE:

VOTE: MaxTheFox

This message in particular made me chuckle as I typed it

I'm a day 13 IC - unlucky for some.

Oh shit.
UNVOTE:

... but then I read this. It strikes me as either a direct defense of Italiano, or possibly an indirect defense of VFP. I think it's too early, and Luke's reads are too weak to justify this type of play if he is town.

I am feeling a little better about Kyouko's play rn, recent postings by him show a decent level of thought

I still think they're scum

Noraa should we start a wagon on them then?

Here we have Luke looking to start a wagon on me, but not actually voting me. He appeals to Noraa for permission to start the wagon. While I do townlean on Noraa, I'm abysmal at reading players like her (Creature comes to mind), so I don't trust myself to read her accurately. All that being said, I do think Noraa is the most universally TRed player in this game so far and if !scum Luke or !scum Italiano could convince her to start the wagon, I do think they might avoid suspicion after my flip.

Italiano has

also

appealed to Noraa to wagon me in a reply that is seemingly directed at Noraa, but does not explicitly appeal to her. See below:

Wtf, who votes a day 13 IC?
All we have to do is no lim every day, hope something assists in stopping kills and I'm actually confirmed as town or scum by that point.

I don't think VCA is reliable for me. Sometimes I vote like twice in a whole large theme and sometimes I vote every two minutes. Theres ... no consistency.
But Ita, I do think you're town so I'll try to save you. Lemme first figure out why your wagons piling up lol.

VCA is reliable for everybody, lol.

I don’t ever really know why I’m scumread but I always am. I just assume it’s because I say or do things that’s easy for scum to latch onto. But if we do decide to wagon ssbm I’ll vote there. I still don’t like the fact of the singling out of the VFP wagon, even though he explained it.

Tbh I find it hard to believe they're both scum brazenly defending like this (feels too easy), but there is some shit going on here.

As I reread this post it stuck out to me because I feel like it should be apparent to Ita why the VFP wagon was of interest to me, specifically because of the comments he later makes regarding VCA. I remember thinking when he first posted about VCA that I also play that way in later Days and because of that playstyle

I've grown more attentive of early voting patterns and wagons in general.

I feel like Ita, as a player who touts VCA, should not have been surprised that I "singled out" the VFP wagon.

RVS wagons make sense once there are flips. I do look at early wagons and voting patterns, but there is always context. There were four wagons at 2 votes and no one wagon ever reached 3 votes. Both you and Gamma have wrong information.

VCA is pointless unless/until you have flips. I never use VCA before a flip so why are you saying that like that’s how this works.

I’m suspicious of how you are framing this VFP wagon and then when I point out that it wasn’t the way you are framing it, you double down?

Then I ask what you thought about VFP to be going after his voters and in 105 you stated you you didn’t have any type of read on him. And I understand you don’t need to have a read on a slot to go after the voters, but in this context it’s fishy. You’d have more to stand on if the wagon got to L2 or L1.

Luke voted and then unvoted VFP before the other 2 votes on VFP, so at that point, there

had been

three players that had voted for VFP, even though not all of those players were still voting them. That is what I, and I think Gamma, have been saying.

I'm not saying you should be doing VCA pre-flip. I'm saying that I, as a player who likes to use VCA, have resultantly become more attentive to RVS voting. I believe that you, also as a player who uses VCA, should have developed a similar sense.

What do you mean by framing the VFP wagon, and in what way am I framing it? I also don't think you asked me

what

I thought of VFP. You asked me

if

I had a solid read on him. I think the reaction you're having to a couple of votes is giving me the ground to stand on.

Luke voted and then unvoted VFP before the other 2 votes on VFP, so at that point, there had been three players that had voted for VFP, even though not all of those players were still voting them. That is what I, and I think Gamma, have been saying.

You do realize Gamma voted for VFP. Both of your synopsis of the wagon is wrong. There was one unvote and then two votes.

I'm not saying you should be doing VCA pre-flip. I'm saying that I, as a player who likes to use VCA, have resultantly become more attentive to RVS voting. I believe that you, also as a player who uses VCA, should have developed a similar sense.

I have and do. RVS voting is something I keep in mind and in my notes so that I can see what’s happening once there are flips. I don’t and can’t resolve it day 1. A push is fine, your push is broken.

What do you mean by framing the VFP wagon, and in what way am I framing it? I also don't think you asked me what I thought of VFP. You asked me if I had a solid read on him. I think the reaction you're having to a couple of votes is giving me the ground to stand on.

Come on, don’t do that. You said there were unvotes (as in plural) and that people voted for VFP and you were framing it as if it was the biggest wagon of the day. If the

unvote

really piqued your interest then your vote is not consistent with that thought. And I really find it suspicious that you haven’t said anything about Gamma? Who also voted for VFP. There are holes in your push and I don’t believe it would be this faulty if you were town.

VOTE: ssbm_kyouko

I can see this, something seems off about that last wall

How did you take him not talking to you about your VFP vote? Also you said there were unvotes when there was one and now it’s been established that it was a joke? What were you seeing?

Not on day 1

So is this just your motto? Not to be active on Day 1?

scumStral has a trend of being lurky.

What about town Dunnstral? From what I remember he was pretty lurky as town as well.

@Save the Dragons: what do you think about Dunnstral’s vote on you? Is it common? Uncommon?

Oh I forgot this...

I also don't think you asked me what I thought of VFP. You asked me if I had a solid read on him.

I didn’t. In 93 I said

“You already have a solid enough read for VFP to “not like” his voters? That’s sus bruh.”

It was a tongue in cheek type of comment. I wasn’t actually asking you about your read on him.

Anyone else get the feeling this last round of postings from italiano are different somehow? Tone feels completely changed, like he's received coaching. Just woke up and read through it on my phone.

Anyone else get the feeling this last round of postings from italiano are different somehow? Tone feels completely changed, like he's received coaching. Just woke up and read through it on my phone.

It does seem different tonally, but why is it indicative of coaching?

I feel like a person posts how they post and if that changes it can be an indicator that the words are being put in their mouth. It also feels like he was waiting for someone else to vote me first, which I dont think has anything to do with the coaching, but also seems scummy

And hahaha the thought that I would say I can’t get on to play but would have the time to coach someone is nothing short of laughable. I don’t have to lie about my activity to win a game as Scum.

Yeah apparently we’re partners and you coached me to start posting “differently”. I think it’s more of an insult that if I was scum I’d need coaching.

Actual scumtell right here.

In a hypothetical situation where Italy WAS coached, Andres could be that coach. And he's still not in thread. So like.

VOTE: Andres

Not specifically for that, but just. Yknow. In general.

I hate this post on a lot of levels.

Parroting Noraa here, she said the exact same thing earlier (about a different post, it is the verbiage I am referring to).

I think Nor generating a lot of content is a town feel for me.
I got a town read for save. I'm not quite sure exactly.
I really can't make reads on people who haven't posted much.
I got a weird feel about ITA and Gamma that I might read into.

huh how'd I miss this post.

I hate it on so many levels

. anyone feel similar feelings?

I feel like a person posts how they post and if that changes it can be an indicator that the words are being put in their mouth. It also feels like he was waiting for someone else to vote me first, which I dont think has anything to do with the coaching, but also seems scummy

What is your case on me again?

Yeah act like you don't know, so others won't notice.

Is there a reason this game has devolved into voting for only low content slots? Does that mean we think everybody who is talking is town?

I mean why not. Voting doesn’t mean you’re getting eliminated, but it’s proven to get people’s attention.

What was the point of this post? You just walled 4 or 5 posts that essentially say nothing whatsoever, followed by a (not controversial) reads list with no explanation whatsoever. You couldn't be trying harder to

appear

like you're doing something here.

Fenrir, have you changed your mind on Italiano? You were voting them earlier toDay. What do you think of my last post? Spoilering for length.

i think i'm null on the slot. i agree with some of what you're saying but disagree with other parts. Like the "we're partners and you coached me" post is scummy, sure, but "What's your case against me" pings me for an entirely different reason and the parroting point makes no sense to me.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. He's copying her verbiage subconsciously because he wants to be TRed by her.

And hahaha the thought that I would say I can’t get on to play but would have the time to coach someone is nothing short of laughable. I don’t have to lie about my activity to win a game as Scum.

Yeah apparently we’re partners and you coached me to start posting “differently”. I think it’s more of an insult that if I was scum I’d need coaching.

Actual scumtell right here.

Can you expand on this?
Wrt the parroting, I think it’s not relevant, unless you show Italy doesn’t use that phrase often.
As for asking for a case, that can be construed as a scum behavior, in the sense that a case can be deconstructed and argued against piece-by-piece. But town can also do that, so I don’t see the value of that point.

Essentially I think your scumread on Italy is rather circumstantial currently. I’m not against it, but I’d like a little more to go on.

Italy has never used that verbiage on site before. If you global search him as the author for the keywords "hate" and "levels" there is only the post from this game.

That's a slip, not a coincidence

It's also not that he's asking for a case, it's that he's feigning ignorance as he does so.

[VFP]

do you have any thoughts based on those slots based on content

No.

[Noraa]

you reacted to those posts as though you had read them so I'm more than a little sus right now

this is not exactly something that scum would lie about but I mean alright, think what you want. I'll get back to you after I read ur quote dump which I don't want to read rn cuz its too long.