It didn't really feel to me like she was really disagreeing with the read or that she thought Moongrass was likely to be mafia because of it just seemed... frustrated by my being townread.
but, i was townreading you at this point. why would i be feeling that way and also townreading you?
In post 627, northsidegal wrote:what do you mean when you say "emulated behavior"? and, just to be clear, i'm not saying that post is alignment indicative, i'm just saying that it's non-associative-indicative.
I mean that I believe that post to be a behaviour that ta vera has observed other alts engaging in and deployed it here to obscure herself. I do not believe it to be non-associative indicative as even if she is your partner a) that does not necessarily mean she has revealed her identity to you and b) there are other players in the game.
okay, i don't agree. i think that regardless of whether or not ta vera is scum that post was sincere, and i think that my reasons to think that are pretty decent. i suppose i should elaborate on why i think it's non-associative indicative, though: it's not about whether or not ta vera would have told me who she is privately, which i agree is unlikely. i think just the more salient point is that if ta vera were scum and i were also scum, she either would not have made the post at all because she wouldn't expect me to actually try to figure out who she was (given that that sort of thing is vaguely town-adjacent to meta-ing people, something scum doesn't really need to do), or if she did make it she would have made it in the scum PT. i'm not sure if i have a great non-intuitive justification for that second point—it's really just the sort of thing that i feel would get said in the scum PT, especially given that revealing your partner's identity could have ramifications for people's reads and thus would fall under the purview of scum strategy, again pointing towards it being discussed in the PT.
do you have a specific reason to believe that that post was just a copy of observations of how other alts behave, or is it just working backwards from already thinking that ta vera is scum?
i totally would have said that if we were partners
Gun to head, I would blow up {Something_Smart, VFP}. I think Ico and to a lesser extent ta vera could be Scum, and I’m TR’ing everyone else. I think Moongrass cares almost too much about how they’re being read, and is aggressively fighting their execution but is that just Scummy instinct? I don’t know. I don’t think so? My read of NSG is soft too to be totally honest.
In post 589, Something_Smart wrote:I'm having trouble following the thread of this game, that's definitely true. Not totally unhappy with my reads though. (Ta vera and nsg as townreads, Sigmund and Moongrass as townleans.)
And like I’m not offended by this at all. I can see a perspective where this makes a lot of sense. And to some extent, S_S feels lost?
In post 650, Moongrass wrote:I still like the idea of an Andre Ico scum theatre team...but I know this is my bias for non-boring teams.
@Uneven what about those interactions makes Andre seem towny to you?
Look I’ll give it to you straight - if Ico and I were aligned, I let Ico take on a lot of heat, push people loudly, and stay out of it. Knowing how they play as both alignments, I know they like to get down and dirty as Scum, and can be super loud and convincing as Town. I see no need in trying to fake a fight D1 with them unless I really felt there was a need. And since the wagon is mostly being pushed by me, what need is there?
I like your thoughts in SS - do you think an SS/Ico team is possible?
In post 650, Moongrass wrote:I still like the idea of an Andre Ico scum theatre team...but I know this is my bias for non-boring teams.
@Uneven what about those interactions makes Andre seem towny to you?
Look I’ll give it to you straight - if Ico and I were aligned, I let Ico take on a lot of heat, push people loudly, and stay out of it. Knowing how they play as both alignments, I know they like to get down and dirty as Scum, and can be super loud and convincing as Town. I see no need in trying to fake a fight D1 with them unless I really felt there was a need. And since the wagon is mostly being pushed by me, what need is there?
for what it's worth, i agree with this post
Rawr!
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#Town!Ico.never.does.that.
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In post 666, Andresvmb wrote:And to back this up, look at Ico’s reaction once I start SR’ing their slot (they were Scum): viewtopic.php?p=12680887#p12680887. They’re perfectly happy to engage in fights and go hard against folks pushing their slot. Just keep that in mind.
My bad feels of Ico started when he changed directions on my slot pretty rapidly while throwing Sigmund under the bus.
In post 683, Andresvmb wrote:Like I was hoping I would re-read and I would come out thinking yeah Iconeum is Scum that’s absolutely right. And I just... don’t.
its because i finally didn't roll scum again
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#Town!Ico.never.does.that.
"paying to play mafia is like paying someone to punch you in the face" ~ Datisi
self meta sucks but since the talk in town is about my meta
as scum i try to emulate the in-your-face playstyle that my towngame has - and i think i can fake it to some extent
but there are players who can smell that bullshit from miles away lol
this ain't faked and i'm town
having a lot of players in the middle with no active read? And anyone is really surprised about that? Yeah right
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#Town!Ico.never.does.that.
"paying to play mafia is like paying someone to punch you in the face" ~ Datisi
In post 666, Andresvmb wrote:And to back this up, look at Ico’s reaction once I start SR’ing their slot (they were Scum): viewtopic.php?p=12680887#p12680887. They’re perfectly happy to engage in fights and go hard against folks pushing their slot. Just keep that in mind.
My bad feels of Ico started when he changed directions on my slot pretty rapidly while throwing Sigmund under the bus.
you mean when i started townreading you after we had an engagement?
where exactly is my scum!motivation in that lol
Rawr!
#stopmodabuse
#Town!Ico.never.does.that.
"paying to play mafia is like paying someone to punch you in the face" ~ Datisi
In post 666, Andresvmb wrote:And to back this up, look at Ico’s reaction once I start SR’ing their slot (they were Scum): viewtopic.php?p=12680887#p12680887. They’re perfectly happy to engage in fights and go hard against folks pushing their slot. Just keep that in mind.
My bad feels of Ico started when he changed directions on my slot pretty rapidly while throwing Sigmund under the bus.
you mean when i started townreading you after we had an engagement?
where exactly is my scum!motivation in that lol
I think I did point out earlier that I'm not sure scum you does that. It's more how easy it was to get you to turn around. What I remember of you is an over-paranoia dominating player which didn't line up with how quickly it took me to get you on my side.
In post 666, Andresvmb wrote:And to back this up, look at Ico’s reaction once I start SR’ing their slot (they were Scum): viewtopic.php?p=12680887#p12680887. They’re perfectly happy to engage in fights and go hard against folks pushing their slot. Just keep that in mind.
My bad feels of Ico started when he changed directions on my slot pretty rapidly while throwing Sigmund under the bus.
you mean when i started townreading you after we had an engagement?
where exactly is my scum!motivation in that lol
I think I did point out earlier that I'm not sure scum you does that. It's more how easy it was to get you to turn around. What I remember of you is an over-paranoia dominating player which didn't line up with how quickly it took me to get you on my side.
hot take
i didn't have a strong scumread on you to begin with, and was poking to get reactions. The 'big turnaround' wasn't that big
Rawr!
#stopmodabuse
#Town!Ico.never.does.that.
"paying to play mafia is like paying someone to punch you in the face" ~ Datisi
Rawr!