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[Ydrasse]

DAY ONE

VOTECOUNT 1.6

[5] humaneatingmonkey:

JohnnyFarrar, Messy Anne, Jake the Wolfie, T3, Rae

[2] JohnnyFarrar:

Anya, Sigmund

[1] Sigmund:

humaneatingmonkey

[1] Jake the Wolfie:

NotAHecticAlt

[3] Not Voting:

Opposit3s, shiki, Dwlee99

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-06-03 22:52:36).

MOD NOTES

• Ydrasse takes a pagetop for herself.

• Joined mod ISO

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Opposit3s

has been prodded. He has 12 hours to respond or he will be replaced. (expired on 2021-05-30 10:51:48)

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[T3]

This is blatant pagetop theivery!

monkey might be town. Hectic idk,I don't have a good readon him by tone yet.

[Sigmund]

Ydrasse is an even bigger pagetop thief than Mena

[NotAHecticAlt]

Just got back from the laundromat.

Hey Naha! How are you? Could you read the entire game and get back to me with your thoughts?

Why don't you start with explaining why you think monkey is a good wagon? I'm currently not available so it might help if the side with free time can respond first

At first I wanted to apply pressure to monkey because the read I had on him was based upon a shared belief that Sigmund was scum (not very convincing to me) and because they were being voted by other players so pressuring them was easy.

Over the course of our interaction, I liked less and less of what I saw, so I reconsidered by townlean on him, and now I think he is a scumlean.

Personally, I don't care whether Sigmund or Monkey goes today, because in my eyes one solves the other.

What makes the interaction SvT to you?

[NotAHecticAlt]

This is blatant pagetop theivery!

monkey might be town. Hectic idk,I don't have a good readon him by tone yet.

No need to read my tone, just read for intent.

[NotAHecticAlt]

Hi Sigmund, what's your view on the game at the moment?

[Jake The Wolfie]

What makes the interaction SvT to you?

It's not really the interaction at it is two conflicting ideas of "Sigmund being scum makes sense" and "Monkey being scum makes sense" when Sigmund started Monkey's wagon.

[NotAHecticAlt]

Oh Signmund started the wagon? That leans town.
I don't see how that means they're SvT however.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Oh Signmund started the wagon? That leans town.
I don't see how that means they're SvT however.

I'm not saying that you think Sigmund is scum, I'm saying that "Sigmund Scum" and "Monkey Scum" are conflicting ideas because Sigmund started Monkey's wagon.

[NotAHecticAlt]

So you don't actually scumread either of them?

[Jake The Wolfie]

So you don't actually scumread either of them?

I didn't say that, I said:

Oh Signmund started the wagon? That leans town.
I don't see how that means they're SvT however.

I'm not saying that you think Sigmund is scum, I'm saying that "Sigmund Scum" and "Monkey Scum" are conflicting ideas because Sigmund started Monkey's wagon.

[NotAHecticAlt]

Just got back from the laundromat.

Hey Naha! How are you? Could you read the entire game and get back to me with your thoughts?

Why don't you start with explaining why you think monkey is a good wagon? I'm currently not available so it might help if the side with free time can respond first

At first I wanted to apply pressure to monkey because the read I had on him was based upon a shared belief that Sigmund was scum (not very convincing to me) and because they were being voted by other players so pressuring them was easy.

Over the course of our interaction, I liked less and less of what I saw, so I reconsidered by townlean on him, and now I think he is a scumlean.

Personally, I don't care whether Sigmund or Monkey goes today, because in my eyes one solves the other.

Ok so what does the end of this sentence mean? Because I think Monkey is town.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Ok so what does the end of this sentence mean? Because I think Monkey is town.

It means that I think that both Monkey and Sigmund are scum, while also thinking that they can't both be scum.
In other words: They are SvT, but I am unsure which is town.

[NotAHecticAlt]

Link to VC on page.

I'm sorry if you are town, but I'm now scumleaning you.

show your progression

[NotAHecticAlt]

@Sigmund, just read your ISO - you seem focused on only a select few slots, can I get your thoughts about some people who you haven't expressed reads on? In particular I'd like you to comment on Jake v. monkey+you - as well and perhaps explain why you wish to push eliminations early here.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Link to VC on page.

I'm sorry if you are town, but I'm now scumleaning you.

show your progression

you responded like scum

No. What is the response I made that make you think I'm scum?

347: This post entirely missed me saying "Please give me something more to base my read on." You were trying to get me to move my vote by bringing up irrelevant points, instead of doing what could've convinced me to move my vote (which was to give me more to base my read on)

351: Another iteration of ignoring why I'm voting you, which makes you look more scummy.

368: You acknowledge why I'm voting you, and (I assume) you understand what I want you to do, but you don't want to do it, even though I'm saying that will cause me not to vote you.

If you were voting someone to get a better read on them, and instead of giving you something to work with, they ignored and deflected your honest investigation for something stronger to base your reads off of, then would you think they are scummy?

[NotAHecticAlt]

I don't think any of your reasons are particularly good reasons to scumread someone. In fact I'd go as far as to say the posts you linked actually lean more town, other than the last one which is NAI at worst.

[NotAHecticAlt]

Yeah I think I'm comfortable with my vote here at this point. I'd like to talk to some other players if possible, but I think this conversation has reached it's usefulness unless you are planning on towntelling or perhaps spewing some partners.

[Jake The Wolfie]

Yeah I think I'm comfortable with my vote here at this point. I'd like to talk to some other players if possible, but I think this conversation has reached it's usefulness unless you are planning on towntelling or perhaps spewing some partners.

That's a fair thing to do.

[NotAHecticAlt]

Just to sorta elaborate on why I think Jake is scum here - The way they are treating Sigmund, vs how they are treating monkey is very indicative of a scum who has to fake reasons to scumread people and be uncharitable in that regard.

When monkey was refuting Jake's push on them, pointing out that Jake was saying they scumread Sigmund, and that it made no sense for them to sheep onto Sigmund in the way he hid, shows a doublethink in Jake's progression. It makes no sense to try to say that monkey is scum for it as monkey is correct in their rebuke against the push on hem.
Jake is quite blatantly trying to set up back to back lims here based on how they are also treating Sigmund slot(or there's a chance that these are 2 scumbuddies, but I lean not for now.) Absolve responsibility of a monkey town flip by pointing it at the person starting the wagon looks to be Jake's goal at the moment. Scum don't think too far ahead and this is a pretty cut and dry plan that would make sense from a scum perspective.

In my wagon:

→ Sigmund, whose current activities include desperately pushing for a quickhammer before page 10 on a slot he doesn't have a read yet, throwing meaningless votes, and going for an OMGUS wagon for bogus reasons.
→ Johnny, who agrees that my thought process is "fake af", but hasn't really demonstrated why. (You really think my thought process is fake, in contrast to Sigmund here?)
→ Anne, who thinks Sigmund is "moving the game forward and causing people to make positive statements." (How??)
→ Jake, who thinks I was town because I pushed Sigmund but still puts his vote on my wagon anyway despite that it's Sigmund that started it. This guy even actively tries to stop people from discussing Sigmund, the loudest player on this game, for no apparent reason. (Why are you even doing that?)

Yeah. I'm SURE this is a town-motivated wagon. I have no idea why people think Sigmund is town for how he's playing here.

this post here is very towny - it's rife with town frustration that no one is looking at the motivations of why people are voting here, as well as providing analysis on slots who are voting them.


If Jake is really scumleaning Sigmund, why are they not more suspicious of any wagons they start on another player?
It makes no sense to me from a town perspective. Him trying to turn it around on monkey for pointing it out is just way out of pocket.

[NotAHecticAlt]

Not to pre-flip associative, but I don't see myself living to day 2 at this point in a Jake scum world - so I'd also bin T3 as scum alongside Jake.

[NotAHecticAlt]

Okay sigmund is town.

Okay sigmund is town.

Could you elaborate on this?

Okay sigmund is town.

Could you elaborate on this?

It's the deliberate attention grabbing stuff scum usually want to avoid early game.

Okay sigmund is town.

Could you elaborate on this?

It's the deliberate attention grabbing stuff scum usually want to avoid early game.

Do you think this is a usual game?

Sigmund seems to be acting consistently here. Without knowing what their main is (if they are an alt), I can't conclusively say for sure if this is for this one game, or if they have any completed games that I can drool over.

I checked to see if he had a wiki page, but he didn't.

I doubt Sigmund just gives up his main account here.

sigmund could be town but i have no clue what his goal is with his flopping around on the ground like a fish

Do you have any thoughts about the game, not regarding Sigmund?

these interactions feel partnery

[NotAHecticAlt]

I think jake is town but less sure on that one.

I townread sigmund and idk about Jake.

[NotAHecticAlt]

I'm also more 50/50 now about Sigmund being unpartnered in this case after reread - but I would venture to say that its a bad tinfoil from experience and that the game is never that easy.

[Ydrasse]

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