Open 811 - Lovers and Losers (New Game+) [Game Over]

[RationalMadman]

This entire situation has really fucked with my brain. I can't grasp the logic behind this gambit at all.

[yessiree]

VC 2.15

With 8 votes, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Bambi Jay (3)

- LlamaFluff, RationalMadman, Anastasia

LlamaFluff (1)

- Bambi Jay

Note voting - T-Bone, Kerset, Bingle, VFP

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-06-02 16:00:00)

[LlamaFluff]

Fuck Logic Get Scum.

Ana went AFK, Ration has been spewing nonsense since day 1 and poorly tried to get the other lovers, and Llama won't even follow his own words by voting them. He's delaying it so he can make a case of it being RM/Ana/Me after we kill them. Giving him a better chance to get me elimed isn't what we need here.

Edit: oh now it's all in. Wonderful.

See this is why Bambi is scum. If they are town there is *no* difference to them specifically between voting me or Ana/RM as they apparently confirmed scum, so no difference. Bambi also ignores that to anyone else, this also is true but the VT isnt solved, so Ana/RM would be a better vote to anyone in lover pairs that think I am scum as it provides a safety net that doesnt end the game today. They just ignore it because... its convenient.

Also im not saying its Bambi + RM/Ana. I am saying there is no way it can be anyone but RM/Ana if I am scum. Im still not really confident who is scum with Bambi here. This is just scum panic who I think missed the fact that by self-voting they confirmed I can only be scum with RM/Ana and that makes then the target over me.

I agree to everything in this post. Except that because I know I am Town, I know 'better vote' is a lie, however I fully agree to the logic supplied and would support voting me and Ana over you if I was in anyone's shoes, since Bambi has enabled that new dynamic and so did I thanks to not unvoting her. I knew only Scum will pull that kind of gambit there and I have had scum vibes from Bambi all game.

Obviously you wont agree with voting you, but its just pointing out why Bambi has to be scum. To you and Ana, Bambi is scum. To TBone and VFP, Bambi is scum. Literally they are already dead. Its just now a "when" not "if" question. Just a logic failure as to why I should be voted today. Sure its somewhat self-preservation, but it also is a tell. Its just a waiting game at this point and then I have to figure stuff out tomorrow which I dont like, but have to do.

Also squirrel = square... I feed the squirrels where I live and had just done that. My computer faces a window and I love watching them hang out and eat. My spirit animal.

[Bambi Jay]

I feel lied to it isn't a Llama.

[LlamaFluff]

Its a username that I have been using for.... probably 15+ years (I am old - that was a high school thing). But yeah llama + Romeo allegory lion avatar + podcast nickname fun times.

[T-Bone]

If we don't do VT now then we need to do it tomorrow anyway. Game-wise it doesn't matter.

Umm we're in MiLo. flipping the wrong pair loses the game just as flipping the wrong VT does. There's no Day 3 without a correct flip today.

Which is why I have a major problem with Llama's argument that if we think he's scum we should vote RM. That's not any better.

[T-Bone]

And also the fact that he's literally trying to say "vote someone else if you think I'm scum cause then it's guaranteed"

[T-Bone]

Fuck Logic Get Scum.

Ana went AFK, Ration has been spewing nonsense since day 1 and poorly tried to get the other lovers, and Llama won't even follow his own words by voting them. He's delaying it so he can make a case of it being RM/Ana/Me after we kill them. Giving him a better chance to get me elimed isn't what we need here.

Edit: oh now it's all in. Wonderful.

See this is why Bambi is scum. If they are town there is *no* difference to them specifically between voting me or Ana/RM as they apparently confirmed scum, so no difference. Bambi also ignores that to anyone else, this also is true but the VT isnt solved, so Ana/RM would be a better vote to anyone in lover pairs that think I am scum as it provides a safety net that doesnt end the game today. They just ignore it because... its convenient.

Also im not saying its Bambi + RM/Ana. I am saying there is no way it can be anyone but RM/Ana if I am scum. Im still not really confident who is scum with Bambi here. This is just scum panic who I think missed the fact that by self-voting they confirmed I can only be scum with RM/Ana and that makes then the target over me.

Again. Misleading. Town!Bambi knows 100% that Llama is scum, so Llama trying to argue otherwise is dishonest.

[LlamaFluff]

@TBone - Please explain how if you are town it can be anything but me+Ana/RM as scum.

[T-Bone]

Explain why if I think you're scum I should vote for RM instead?

[LlamaFluff]

Explain why if I think you're scum I should vote for RM instead?

Think that has been explained more than once.

If you are town its physically impossible for me to be scum with you, or me to be scum with Bingle/Kerset at this point (game would be over). Therefore it is 100% confirmed that if you are town, it is Ana/RM+Bambi, or Me+RM/Ana. Where am I wrong about that? It means that I actually *cant* be scum without RM/Ana scum first.

[RationalMadman]

Llama fuck you with this game why don't you want Bambi eliminated?

[T-Bone]

Because Kerset and Bingle didn't hammer, right? So they must be town. But this logic still breaks down because it relies on Bambi being scum. Now, she can be, of course. But you can't have it both ways. These are two independent instances that contradict one another.

[T-Bone]

But if you want to take it on the logical conclusion that you're trying to claim, why don't you switch your vote to RM?

[LlamaFluff]

Llama fuck you with this game why don't you want Bambi eliminated?

I. Do. I am voting her.

What I am taking exception over is that there is no scenario where I should ever get a vote over you and Ana. Its actually impossible at this point where I can be scum without you and Ana being scum. I am proving that I am town due to the way votes are cast. I dont love throwing who I think is probably town under the bus, but there is no way that I can actually be scum unless you are proven so first, so I am going to destroy bad arguments that ignore that fact.

[T-Bone]

Llama fuck you with this game why don't you want Bambi eliminated?

If there was ever a case for this scum team though...

[LlamaFluff]

Because Kerset and Bingle didn't hammer, right? So they must be town. But this logic still breaks down because it relies on Bambi being scum. Now, she can be, of course. But you can't have it both ways. These are two independent instances that contradict one another.

Are you actually scum and I have to listen to RM gloat about it being Bambi+Tbone/VFP...

Again, explain how I am scum and its not Ana/RM too. If it was you/VFP game is over. Bingle/Kerset is proven not true already as a partner. If I am scum, there is zero chance it is not with Ana/RM. ZERO. I agree that Bingle/Kerset is town. So to make me scum, it means its with you (to you its a lie) or with Ana/RM. So the vote is Ana/RM. Yes? Is there any world where I am scum without Ana/RM?

I will *not* move my vote because to me, its 100% Bambi. I dont know who its with, but I know its 100% them, and even more I can prove that I cant be scum without RM/Ana first being proved scum. So why would I ever vote Rm/Ana here? I am just shining light on for any lover pair its dumb to vote me because logic.

[T-Bone]

But Ana is parked on Llama. Oy!

VFP what do you think, purposeful dissonance between RM and Ana, or does this point back to Kerset/Bingle?

[T-Bone]

Because Kerset and Bingle didn't hammer, right? So they must be town. But this logic still breaks down because it relies on Bambi being scum. Now, she can be, of course. But you can't have it both ways. These are two independent instances that contradict one another.

Are you actually scum and I have to listen to RM gloat about it being Bambi+Tbone/VFP...

Again, explain how I am scum and its not Ana/RM too. If it was you/VFP game is over. Bingle/Kerset is proven not true already as a partner. If I am scum, there is zero chance it is not with Ana/RM. ZERO. I agree that Bingle/Kerset is town. So to make me scum, it means its with you (to you its a lie) or with Ana/RM. So the vote is Ana/RM. Yes? Is there any world where I am scum without Ana/RM?

I will *not* move my vote because to me, its 100% Bambi. I dont know who its with, but I know its 100% them, and even more I can prove that I cant be scum without RM/Ana first being proved scum. So why would I ever vote Rm/Ana here? I am just shining light on for any lover pair its dumb to vote me because logic.

I don't expect you to move your vote and wouldn't actually advocate you to.

But your argument is absolute ludicrous.

[LlamaFluff]

But Ana is parked on Llama. Oy!

VFP what do you think, purposeful dissonance between RM and Ana, or does this point back to Kerset/Bingle?

Did you miss the fact where again I would be dead as town and game is over if its Kerset/Bingle?

You are better than that. Its the only physically impossible pairing.

[T-Bone]

All we've proven is that you can't be scum with me. Congrats, I'm convinced. But the tram you should be selling me on is Bambi/Bingle/Kerset because that makes way more sense from my perspective, but it's odd that you've decided that that isn't a possibility.

[T-Bone]

But Ana is parked on Llama. Oy!

VFP what do you think, purposeful dissonance between RM and Ana, or does this point back to Kerset/Bingle?

Did you miss the fact where again I would be dead as town and game is over if its Kerset/Bingle?

You are better than that. Its the only physically impossible pairing.

Uhhh that's not true at all. Where did Kerset/Bambi/Bingle get the 5th vote to Lim you?

[T-Bone]

With VFP and I withholding our votes and Ana and RM splitting their votes, until Bambi self voted no scum team combo had even the opportunity to get anyone to 5 votes.

So yes, I think it's fair to me to point out to whoever the other town pair is that your arguments break down if you think about them for more than a few seconds.

[LlamaFluff]

Wrong way around.... but 100% I cant be scum with Kerset/Bingle yes? Bambi was at -1 and they didnt hammer. So that is actually impossible. If Kerset/Bingle are scum, I am 100% confirmed town yes? Which means to you, the only pairing I can actually be scum with turns into RM/Ana... yes?

[T-Bone]

You just said that you'd be dead if Kerset and Bingle are scum, and then you make an argument that makes them not scum with Bambi (and makes Bambi either not scum or scum with RM/Ana). It doesn't do anything to relieve you of your pairings though. It's almost like you're trying to take Bambi's town case and apply it to yourself.