Open 811 - Lovers and Losers (New Game+) [Game Over]

[Kerset]

VC

[T-Bone]

To be clear I don't think Bambi bringing herself to L-2 changes anything for me. But if you're going to argue it changes things then I'm absolutely gonna call you on it when you're trying to get me to see the opposite of what actually happened.

[yessiree]

VC 2.16

With 8 votes, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Bambi Jay (3)

- LlamaFluff, RationalMadman, Anastasia

LlamaFluff (1)

- Bambi Jay

Note voting - T-Bone, Kerset, Bingle, VFP

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-06-02 16:00:00)

[LlamaFluff]

You just said that you'd be dead if Kerset and Bingle are scum, and then you make an argument that makes them not scum with Bambi (and makes Bambi either not scum or scum with RM/Ana). It doesn't do anything to relieve you of your pairings though. It's almost like you're trying to take Bambi's town case and apply it to yourself.

Little drunk... but stop me where I am wrong

1) If the team is me+Bingle/Kerset scum would have already won (lack of Bambi hammer)
2) Team is not me + You/VFP
3) Only team where I am scum is me + Ana/RM
4) RM/Ana can be scum with me or Bambi

[T-Bone]

Let me follow this trail for a moment. Explain RM's death tunnel on Bambi if they are scum together? Like, really think about it and explain it. I'll assume you're town for that exercise.

[T-Bone]

You just said that you'd be dead if Kerset and Bingle are scum, and then you make an argument that makes them not scum with Bambi (and makes Bambi either not scum or scum with RM/Ana). It doesn't do anything to relieve you of your pairings though. It's almost like you're trying to take Bambi's town case and apply it to yourself.

Little drunk... but stop me where I am wrong

1) If the team is me+Bingle/Kerset scum would have already won (lack of Bambi hammer)
2) Team is not me + You/VFP
3) Only team where I am scum is me + Ana/RM
4) RM/Ana can be scum with me or Bambi

Only 2 and 4 are true. I'm not going to read Kerset/Bingle for something they didn't do.

[T-Bone]

Like if I'm gonna rank the scum team viabilities I'm gonna rank them as Llama/RM/Ana 1, Bambi/Kerset/Bingle 2, Llama/Kerset/Bingle 3, and Bambi/RM/Ana 4.

[LlamaFluff]

You just said that you'd be dead if Kerset and Bingle are scum, and then you make an argument that makes them not scum with Bambi (and makes Bambi either not scum or scum with RM/Ana). It doesn't do anything to relieve you of your pairings though. It's almost like you're trying to take Bambi's town case and apply it to yourself.

Little drunk... but stop me where I am wrong

1) If the team is me+Bingle/Kerset scum would have already won (lack of Bambi hammer)
2) Team is not me + You/VFP
3) Only team where I am scum is me + Ana/RM
4) RM/Ana can be scum with me or Bambi

Only 2 and 4 are true. I'm not going to read Kerset/Bingle for something they didn't do.

Wait... you are claiming that Me + Bingle/Kerset didnt hammer Bambi at -1?

VOTE: Bambi

I think that this is wrong choice.

Isnt this Kerset not hammering a -1 Bambi?

[T-Bone]

That happened after Bambi unvoted herself though?

[T-Bone]

That happened a full 10 posts after Bambi switched her vote back to you so that's proof of nothing.

[T-Bone]

If anything that makes a case that RM/Ana is town and Kerset didn't think Ana would switch her vote.

I actually think it doesn't prove anything, but it most certainly doesn't prove that you aren't scum lol

[T-Bone]

Feels like the natural conclusion that you should draw from that sequence, and thus be selling upon me, that Bambi is scum with Kerset/Bingle...but you're insisting they are town for some reason. Meaning that Bambi has no viable partners from my perspective.

[LlamaFluff]

That happened a full 10 posts after Bambi switched her vote back to you so that's proof of nothing.

But both posted before the Bambi switch?

Lets break it down my time:

12:59: Bambi puts themselves at -2
1:02: Kerset posts
1:29: Bingle posts
8:52 (next day) Bambi unvotes

You think that Kerset-Bingle are scum with me and didnt win?

[T-Bone]

But you quoted the vote and post after Bambi had switched their vote and went "look! Proof we're not scum together"

And maybe if that's all it was I'd buy the argument from your perspective. I don't buy how you go from that to also "Bingle/Kerset aren't scum at all".

Like, that chain events would point strongly to a Bambi/Kerset/Bingle scum team....but you want me to not consider that either?? What? Makes no sense if you're town.

[T-Bone]

But let's be honest. You posted #1607 and said that because Kerset didn't hammer Bambi, that clears them as town and you as town. That's a thing you said. A thing that is verifibly untrue because it wasn't possible for them to hammer. You didn't say "oh they had 15 hours to do it". Right after that exchange you made the untrue claim that the lack of a hammer makes you town, and then in 1607 doubled down on that untrue claim.

That's a thing that happened and you can't deny it.

[LlamaFluff]

Like, that chain events would point strongly to a Bambi/Kerset/Bingle scum team....but you want me to not consider that either?? What? Makes no sense if you're town.

Nope. I am saying its Bambi + ??? the who with is unknown. You actually think that Bambi can put themselves at -2 for almost 24 hours and if I am scum cant figure out a hammer?

[Bambi Jay]

This game is getting more intense atleast. That's fun.

We do got about 2 more days. Still weird how Llama just kinda went all in on saying we can elim a lover instead. Not that I disagree with getting those 2 now but it would still be best to just get the leader and cut off the head.

Anyway at work so responding periodically between lulls at work.

[LlamaFluff]

Either way.... now just a matter of time before its proven I have to be town outside of it being RM/Ana. Fun times. Now its early stages of trying to solve who lover pair is.

[T-Bone]

So you're just gonna gloss over the lies huh? Mkay.

[T-Bone]

Vote: LlamaFluff

[LlamaFluff]

Cute. How am I scum with Bingle/Kerset again?

[T-Bone]

I see a lack of addressing the lie you've been trying to peddle, as seen in 1607.

[LlamaFluff]

So still yes then.... it has to be me + Ana/RM to you?

[Kerset]

VC 2.13

With 8 votes, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Bambi Jay (3)

- LlamaFluff, RationalMadman, Bambi Jay

LlamaFluff (1)

- Anastasia

Note voting - T-Bone, Kerset, Bingle, VFP

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-06-02 16:00:00)

We could have hammered at this point of time. We cant be scum with llama. Still, it doesn't mean that llama is town.

[Kerset]

@bingle how do we resolve this? Do i make case for llama and you make case for bambi?