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I love how this is all progressing
I've actually got some decent reads come Page 4 for once.
Nowhere did I claim a solve, and nowhere have I said IL is a lockscum read.
Raya has made several frankly dangerous assumptions and is a bit all guns blazing in ILs defence which amuses me, SL.
T3's pointless half a moment sheep seems off, T3 I know is evasive in general but also usually more "Locked on". SL-. Would be SL but theres thought and evaluation going on there.
ILs responses have actually been legitimate and I'm happy with TL+ there.
Osuka weirdly gets a TL-.
Enchant also gets TL-.
Anyone else is ??? and needs to do something.
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i didn't think the case itself was scummy, mostly i wanted to put pressure on flea so he'd answer me about how he thought i could've gotten confused. which is why this sheep and subsequent retraction stands out so much to me:In post 65, Umlaut wrote:I get why y'all would find Flea's case unconvincing but I don't see how it's scummy at all.
it's early, but this is highly unusual for the town!T3 whom i've played with before. i rarely see him back down this easily or immediately, and he tends not to sheep other players so readily and for such little reason. last game i played with him, someone mentioned opportunism as one of T3's scumtells, so i'll be on the lookout for more of this.In post 71, T3 wrote:
It created discussion but idk if that was intentional.In post 69, Marky Mark wrote: This just feels like a low-effort consensus vote.
VOTE: T3
Why "strange" eg as opposed to scummy?
Also raya is town.
UNVOTE: Flea
I guess a push like that doesn't make sense from scuflea but we shouldn't dismiss it.
if you think you can predict how someone will react to something, isn't it usually best to confirm your suspicions? town doesn't care about looking like they made a scummy push (at least not unless they're in real danger of becoming a miselim), so as a way to start discussion rolling it's not a bad idea. in my experience, standing back with your hands on your hips rather than answering questions as flea does in 77 can sometimes come from scum, but he doesn't seem to have really believed much in his push and was more using it as a reaction test. considering it got us out of RVS unprecedentedly early, which is usually not something scum actively tries to do, i'm comfortable with a slight townlean here.In post 66, Raya36 wrote:Agreeing with Umlaut. It's such a weird take as scum. I feel like this kind of response could have been predicted so why even try pushing that
VOTE: T3
flea, what is it from osuka that gives you a slight townlean? i find him incredibly difficult to read especially so early in the game, so i'm curious what you're seeing here, no matter how insubstantial.-
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ftfyIn post 78, InsidiousLemons wrote:i didn't think the case itself was scummy, mostly i wanted to put pressure on flea sofae'danswer me about howfaethought i could've gotten confused. which is why this sheep and subsequent retraction stands out so much to me:
It's pride/wrath month, I am cranky, I am not sorry.
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I can see where you're coming from but why do you think someone unvoting at E-1 is more likely to come from soft-bussing scum than town concerned about a quick-elim?In post 76, Enchant wrote:He is acting most outrageous with votes on Lemons (literally #1, VOTEVOTEVOTE and then suddenly "oh wait nvm unvote i fear quickhammers")-
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What assumptions are you referring to?In post 77, Flea The Magician wrote: Raya has made several frankly dangerous assumptions and is a bit all guns blazing in ILs defence which amuses me, SL.-
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What I'm trying to say is that scum!Flea could've probably predicted that pushing someone for a role pm confirmation based reason would get fae voted. Generally pushing something that's a stretch is avoided by scum for this reason. So we're agreeing here. Flea is more likely town for this.In post 78, InsidiousLemons wrote:if you think you can predict how someone will react to something, isn't it usually best to confirm your suspicions? town doesn't care about looking like they made a scummy push (at least not unless they're in real danger of becoming a miselim), so as a way to start discussion rolling it's not a bad idea. in my experience, standing back with your hands on your hips rather than answering questions as flea does in 77 can sometimes come from scum, but he doesn't seem to have really believed much in his push and was more using it as a reaction test. considering it got us out of RVS unprecedentedly early, which is usually not something scum actively tries to do, i'm comfortable with a slight townlean here.-
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In post 60, Raya36 wrote:You think Lemons is scum for not responding to their pm right away, right? But you also said it's scum indicative for that to result in a replace out, which is clearly not the case here.
You've looked at things I've said, tried reading between the lines, found nothing and inserted narrative from Lemons or yourself, I'm unsure which.In post 46, Raya36 wrote:Flea, this is a really weird thing to push Lemon's for
You even seem to be implying Lemon's is town for it?
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The case was, delayed confirmation despite have a read role PM.
Scummy because most of the roles are common on MS, and cults aren't often seen. So possibility of asking for confirmation about cult mechanics.
It's a shitty ass case for D1, and it was an RVS breaker. It did it's job, I got some reads, there's been discussion, and some still on going.
Assumptions I saw weren't all from you, you go back to SL- but my vote is staying on you.
Eugh I need to find what I saw before because there was a thing that pinged and it wasn't you...
I should answer this too.In post 78, InsidiousLemons wrote:flea, what is it from osuka that gives you a slight townlean? i find him incredibly difficult to read especially so early in the game, so i'm curious what you're seeing here, no matter how insubstantial.
Osaka seems to be engaging and poking their own things without pulling focus from the main show at the time. For me scum would be happy to sit back at this point.Wanna see how to use my pronouns? Click here -- Or here if you just wanna see fae/faer used in context.
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It would be great if he though he is town, but it's not like that.In post 81, Raya36 wrote:
I can see where you're coming from but why do you think someone unvoting at E-1 is more likely to come from soft-bussing scum than town concerned about a quick-elim?In post 76, Enchant wrote:He is acting most outrageous with votes on Lemons (literally #1, VOTEVOTEVOTE and then suddenly "oh wait nvm unvote i fear quickhammers")
Maybe we have different minds, but why i should even care to save someone i vote if i think he ismafiacult.-
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damnit I can't find it -.-; wtaf...
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mea culpa! thank you for the correction, happy pride month!In post 80, Flea The Magician wrote:
ftfyIn post 78, InsidiousLemons wrote:i didn't think the case itself was scummy, mostly i wanted to put pressure on flea sofae'danswer me about howfaethought i could've gotten confused. which is why this sheep and subsequent retraction stands out so much to me:
It's pride/wrath month, I am cranky, I am not sorry.
I still want to know why you jumped to replacement in every solution and persistently after.
i've already explained why replacement was on my mind. it's the only reasoning i've ever seen anyone use for the type of push you made. and where did i persist on replacement? 40 was an explanation of the assumption, not me claiming i didn't believe you-
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fair, sorry, brains glitching out between late night and day time... I suspect internal shenanigans.Wanna see how to use my pronouns? Click here -- Or here if you just wanna see fae/faer used in context.
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You could start by answering my post addressed to you!In post 77, Flea The Magician wrote:Anyone else is ??? and needs to do something.I'm anti anti, ain't I?-
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Not everyone votes in the mindset that person is absolutely scum. I was on Lemons too and unvoted when they were brought to E-1.In post 87, Enchant wrote:
It would be great if he though he is town, but it's not like that.In post 81, Raya36 wrote:
I can see where you're coming from but why do you think someone unvoting at E-1 is more likely to come from soft-bussing scum than town concerned about a quick-elim?In post 76, Enchant wrote:He is acting most outrageous with votes on Lemons (literally #1, VOTEVOTEVOTE and then suddenly "oh wait nvm unvote i fear quickhammers")
Maybe we have different minds, but why i should even care to save someone i vote if i think he ismafiacult.-
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I think your meta case is cherry picking - you can read newbie 2061 where I was scumrea dby skitter for exactly this. I was town.In post 78, InsidiousLemons wrote:
i didn't think the case itself was scummy, mostly i wanted to put pressure on flea so he'd answer me about how he thought i could've gotten confused. which is why this sheep and subsequent retraction stands out so much to me:In post 65, Umlaut wrote:I get why y'all would find Flea's case unconvincing but I don't see how it's scummy at all.
it's early, but this is highly unusual for the town!T3 whom i've played with before. i rarely see him back down this easily or immediately, and he tends not to sheep other players so readily and for such little reason. last game i played with him, someone mentioned opportunism as one of T3's scumtells, so i'll be on the lookout for more of this.In post 71, T3 wrote:
It created discussion but idk if that was intentional.In post 69, Marky Mark wrote: This just feels like a low-effort consensus vote.
VOTE: T3
Why "strange" eg as opposed to scummy?
Also raya is town.
UNVOTE: Flea
I guess a push like that doesn't make sense from scuflea but we shouldn't dismiss it.
if you think you can predict how someone will react to something, isn't it usually best to confirm your suspicions? town doesn't care about looking like they made a scummy push (at least not unless they're in real danger of becoming a miselim), so as a way to start discussion rolling it's not a bad idea. in my experience, standing back with your hands on your hips rather than answering questions as flea does in 77 can sometimes come from scum, but he doesn't seem to have really believed much in his push and was more using it as a reaction test. considering it got us out of RVS unprecedentedly early, which is usually not something scum actively tries to do, i'm comfortable with a slight townlean here.In post 66, Raya36 wrote:Agreeing with Umlaut. It's such a weird take as scum. I feel like this kind of response could have been predicted so why even try pushing that
VOTE: T3
flea, what is it from osuka that gives you a slight townlean? i find him incredibly difficult to read especially so early in the game, so i'm curious what you're seeing here, no matter how insubstantial.-
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Can't argue with that.In post 94, Raya36 wrote:
Not everyone votes in the mindset that person is absolutely scum. I was on Lemons too and unvoted when they were brought to E-1.In post 87, Enchant wrote:
It would be great if he though he is town, but it's not like that.In post 81, Raya36 wrote:
I can see where you're coming from but why do you think someone unvoting at E-1 is more likely to come from soft-bussing scum than town concerned about a quick-elim?In post 76, Enchant wrote:He is acting most outrageous with votes on Lemons (literally #1, VOTEVOTEVOTE and then suddenly "oh wait nvm unvote i fear quickhammers")
Maybe we have different minds, but why i should even care to save someone i vote if i think he ismafiacult.
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