Open 811 - Lovers and Losers (New Game+) [Game Over]

[Bingle]

Nice slip.

Are you arguing that me not trying to solve myself makes me scum? I can't even.

[Bingle]

Yet, he didn't. Perhaps because he thought of the mechanical benefit of instantly winning with Llama elim via VFP hammer.

Or, given that VFP has played cautiously today and a qh instead of a confirmation would have been a major departure from that, perhaps because scumBingle isn't in this game. But yes, continue pushing the narrative you need instead of letting VFP look at the actual events that took place and make his decisions.

[RationalMadman]

You can feel the pressure now can't you? It is the pressure of failing to pull of an instawin.

[yessiree]

VC 2.24

With 8 votes, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Bambi Jay (3)

- LlamaFluff, RationalMadman, Anastasia

RationalMadman (3)

- Bingle, Kerset, Bambi Jay

LlamaFluff (1)

- T-Bone

Note voting - VFP

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-06-02 16:00:00)

[Kerset]

You can feel the pressure now can't you? It is the pressure of failing to pull of an instawin.

Yea after llama scum flip next day would be just mechanical formality to eliminate you. Such a shame.

[Bingle]

VFP, prove yourself conftown or win the game please.

Look at how I clearly think VFP town is going to hammer when I ask him to confirm himself as town in the post where I admit I'm not sure about the 1v1. It's so spicy. It's almost as spicy as when I argued that Llama was right about limming you being optimal or unvoted as soon as I saw that VFP had posted because I was clearly pinning all of my hopes on VFP just saying fuck it and winning me the game, while continuing to point out that mechanically limming you was better than limming LF.

[RationalMadman]

while continuing to point out that mechanically limming you was better than limming LF.

even I have agreed to that from the very start, you and I perceived the correct logic path of Llama being town with Ana and me meaning Llama vs Bambi is also me and Ana vs Bambi, that much I know. It was no doubt you, not Kerset, who discussed the plan with Bambi (though I am still open to reading it as her coming up with is herself since the execution was so spontaneous).

I had already agreed with Llama on that (not being voted, on the fact Llama was Town with me and Ana being concrete) from the moment I refused to unvote Bambi after her gambit (which I could have done if I was scared of my read being wrong and I was online early enough based on speech before a full pair was since her gambit or so I think).

I was so sure of my read from that point on, I didn't unvote, hard-agreed with Llama encouraging it to become us vs Bambi and you act like it's your own agreement. Not at all, you just saw what I and Llama saw and knew there was no argument against it.

[RationalMadman]

I never once opposed Llama saying it was now me and Ana vs Bambi, not once.

[Bingle]

I never once opposed Llama saying it was now me and Ana vs Bambi, not once.

I vaguely remember you doing so before you understood the argument, but also that is NAI. I also would not have opposed the logic from your position. It just means you understood the logic and are the type of player who relies on mechanical advantages more than subjective ones.

FWIW, RM, I do think you played a good game here and would be happy to play with you again. I just know that you're scum now mechanically and thus nothing you say is going to really matter to me.

[VFP]

Well... I'm stumped.

[VFP]

I'm going to bed.
Someone tell me who to vote.

[Bambi Jay]

I can't really convince you harder here VFP but basically it comes down to 4v2 atm against Ration and Llama. I'd say Ana is there too but she isn't doing much.

If you trust Tbone vote Ration or Llama like the rest of us. If Ration's recent actions along with us telling you about Llama didn't change your mind... Well I guess you'd vote me anyway.

I did all I can today for ya. Kerset, Tbone and Bingle clearly think it's them. there's 3 scum alive and 3 people fighting us. Your vote saves or ends the game.

Make the right choice.

[VFP]

I was just about to vote you and call it a night.
But I guess I'll spend an hour looking over things again.
The last thing I want to do it just lose it for T-Bone.

[VFP]

It's possible that you posting at this exact point saves you.

Let me read more.

[Bambi Jay]

I mean I would sing a lullaby for ya but 1. I'm a horrible singer and 2. We're playing forumafia. That wasn't a word yet but I like it so I'm keeping it.

That's a beautiful dolphin picture.

[RationalMadman]

I would just like to say, Ana literally only posts for prod dodges if you analyse her activity level. I am sad to have had this lover, how TF to win? Really how? Ofc I will be scumread with a lover who doesn't do anything positive all game. Ofc. This is so horrible.

[Bambi Jay]

That... Is that giving up or is my scumread on him making me misinterpret the above post?

8 hours until doomsday and Llama hasn't showed up today either. I dunno what that's about.

[Bingle]

That... Is that giving up or is my scumread on him making me misinterpret the above post?

8 hours until doomsday and Llama hasn't showed up today either. I dunno what that's about.

Nah, that's NAI bitching about an inactive partner. That's the problem with mechanical 1v1s. Once the motivation is GET TARGET LIMMED, pretty much nothing they do is actually AI.

[Anastasia]

[Anastasia]

if you guys want to lose the game just vote us out I have made my peace with it

[LlamaFluff]

That... Is that giving up or is my scumread on him making me misinterpret the above post?

8 hours until doomsday and Llama hasn't showed up today either. I dunno what that's about.

Project caught fire at work as during installation we found out our pothole information on pipes was bad, had a few emergency calls and needed to get a revised few sheets out ASAP to not stall the project which is already behind for other reasons, so no chance to do anything else. Fun day.

@TBone - Can you walk me through end of D1 if I am scum with RM/Ana? Do you really think in a situation where both other lover pairs were something that even just stalling would likely eliminate over them, I try to bus, then panic and instead direct the wagon back to my pool?

Also still very clearly not lying about me having been a horrible vote for a long period of time... and even if your agument was that I was lying... everything I said is actually still proven true. I cant be scum without RM/Ana scum. RM/Ana can be scum with Bambi. Bambi can be scum with Bingle/Kerset (and is). In that scenario you *never* vote Bingle, Kerset or me. Its just an outright fallacy. You vote RM/Ana or Bambi... as you can be wrong about a partner but worst case enter the next day with confirmed town to everyone. The only "risk" is what scum is spouting about how that somehow RM/Ana flipping scum decreases towns chance to win.

[VFP]

I dozed off before finishing but yeah I just find there to be more scum evidence to Bambi than Llama here. If Llama has played me it's what it is. Bingle and Kerset are just too okay with Llama being scum here when Bambi could always be the option.
VOTE: Bambi

If its just Llama / RM / Ana ill take responsibility for the loss. However, I even tried to give plenty of time for everyone else to get the 4 votes before I placed this one.
It feels like this wasn't achieved because scum don't want to make risk changes or actioning first.

RM / Ana is always the best lim over Llama, but if there's high risk of town losing from my just voting Bambi (and this looked favoured all day) then Llama would be the viable option over Bambi.
That's why I don't believe everyone believes it who claim Llama is scum (excluding T-Bone).

[VFP]

I have work in 7 hours I might flip flop when I wake up.

[Bambi Jay]

The vote didn't go through on our end because Tbone voted Llama instead of following us onto Ration and Ana. Why is town doomed because of a stupid plurality rule that means because one townie is siding against us we lose now.

God damnit.

[T-Bone]

Please flipflop to me as I'm not voting Bambi I believe she is town.