Mini Normal 2214 || Game Over!

[T3]

Didn't see that kill coming. Okay. Catching up.

[humaneatingmonkey]

worst case scenario, mafia fakeclaims and we reveal to mafia who the PRs are which makes this plan of yours not work. best case scenario, no mafia fakeclaims and WE STILL won't be able to mechanically solve the game.

[humaneatingmonkey]

? if we miselim twice now game is over

and how many VTs will you have on your PoE? 3 to 5?

[humaneatingmonkey]

I find it hard to believe that this massclaim has the town's best interest in mind.

[shiki]

mafia fakeclaims and we reveal to mafia who the PRs are which makes this plan of yours not work.

this doesn't make the plan not work? we can simply determine which mafia is fakeclaiming

[Dwlee99]

And what happens if everyone claims a different PR? Then we don't have counterclaims and there can be mafia in the list.

right and why would we not be able to figure out which pr claim was the mafia? i feel like this is one of the easiest ways normals are solved,

Just figure out which claim is faked in a setup we don't know the scumteam's roles?

[humaneatingmonkey]

we can simply determine which mafia is fakeclaiming

i don't think it will be that simple.

i don't see how you don't think that this is a net loss on town's position.

[shiki]

? if we miselim twice now game is over

and how many VTs will you have on your PoE? 3 to 5?

well if only two power roles are claimed that gives us 8 vanilla town claims and 2 confirmed town, of which 3 are mafia and 5 are vanilla town

so at most, 8, but depends on claims

[Dwlee99]

If scumteam are all goons they have a lot of freedom to claim PRs that could exist under setups with non-vanilla mafia roles to counter them.

[shiki]

If scumteam are all goons they have a lot of freedom to claim PRs that could exist under setups with non-vanilla mafia roles to counter them.

that also make sense within the setup?

[shiki]

i think average mafia play is being wildly overestimated here and also our ability as town is being underestimated

[shiki]

we can simply determine which mafia is fakeclaiming

i don't think it will be that simple.

i don't see how you don't think that this is a net loss on town's position.

have you found it to not be that simple in past games with me?

[T3]

I believe Johnny that we shouldn't elim T3 for reasons also

so you believe we should not eliminate t3 for 'reasons', not hectic believes johnny is town for 'reasons', and johnny is now maybe reevaluating with regards to t3

Look either this is scum grand conspiracy where everyone in the neighborhood is scum or johhny and hectic are correct town.

[humaneatingmonkey]

shiki, i don't underestimate you, but right now, you are overestimating yourself.

[shiki]

have you found it to not be that simple in past games with me?

as i believe each game you've played with me in which i was town was solved in this manner

[shiki]

have you found it to not be that simple in past games with me?

as i believe each game you've played with me in which i was town was solved in this manner

[humaneatingmonkey]

as i believe each game you've played with me in which i was town was solved in this manner

iirc we have only played twice? with one you're town and i'm scum, and two we're both scum. have we played a third time?

[shiki]

shiki, i don't underestimate you, but right now, you are overestimating yourself.

it wasn't even me that solved those games in either of those cases. it was simply the process and i can help provide information. i am not saying do this i will solve the game, i am saying this seems way more likely to result in the game being solved than continuing to trust players who have been scummy to lead us to victory.

[shiki]

as i believe each game you've played with me in which i was town was solved in this manner

iirc we have only played twice? with one you're town and i'm scum, and two we're both scum. have we played a third time?

three miccro blitzes

first i was town and you were mafia,
second we were mafia together,
third we were both town

[humaneatingmonkey]

third we were both town

i was wildly distracted that game and i wasn't paying attention

[humaneatingmonkey]

by gut shiki, until i trust you enough that you really think this is a genuine winning strategy, I won't support this. for now, I'll have to re-read the game.

[T3]

Flirty alt? Pooky confirmed

nah this is way too much of a dickhead to be pooky.

Lmao I've been thinking Pooky since d1 lol

[shiki]

I won't support this

do not worry, it will likely not need your support as much as your participation as t3 seems to have us well on our way:

Look either this is scum grand conspiracy where everyone in the neighborhood is scum or johhny and hectic are correct town.

which also potentially explains the vibes i was feeling earlier

[shiki]

Look either this is scum grand conspiracy where everyone in the neighborhood is scum or johhny and hectic are correct town.

though i do not understand how you reached the conclusion they are both town if you are town, maybe steps were omitted here

[humaneatingmonkey]

T3 claimed neighbor?