Newbie 2066: Gelato 2 -- End!

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Vote Count 1-4

We're getting

warmer

colder, I promise!. Bernardo Buontalenti was a pioneer in the art of ice preservation. He built food cellars lined with cork and wooden planks where he stored ice transported from nearby caves. He used hollow canes to divert thawing water out of the cellars.

sang froid

(3) -> Vaxkiller, Rockhopper, NotAJumbleOfNumbers [E-2]

Rockhopper

(2) -> Clasko, sang froid

Clasko

(1) -> Roden

Roden

(1) -> GuyInFreezer

Not Voting

(2) -> JohnnyFarrar, T3

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: June 15, Noon US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-06-15 09:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[T3]

Hello all, sure is nice when you roll PR huh? Who shall I check on tonight, I wonder

VOTE: sang froi
Works better as PR bait imo

yeah seriously wth
VOTE: sang froi

VOTE: jumble

[T3]

Actually VOTE: rockhopper.

[T3]

Do you seriously think a (supposedly) experienced player like sang would just claim pr as scum knowing full well it will get everyone's attention?

[GuyInFreezer]

UNVOTE:

I think I can solve this in 5 days.

[sang froid]

No, 32 was majorly scummy

Whats wrong with my reaction to my wagon?

Your reads that followed felt panicky and manufactured

why

This is a meaningless thing to say by itself, substantiate your points

[sang froid]

I didn't really like the joke pocket either but it's nothing to build any kind of case with.

Sang isn't pinging me atm, I think his "panic" feels more like bewilderment tbh

firstly, okay but how about it being worth a vote if you don’t have something more useful to do with yours rn? and secondly, what about rockhopper’s very lazy hop onto me and then equally trying-to-look-like-there’s-thought-behind-his-reads-but-not-really vote and explanation for said vote on me

Secondly, interesting-to-weird take — what in my posting sounds like bewilderment to you?

[sang froid]

Okay if I’m right on rockhopper then T3 is town

[GuyInFreezer]

btw I have both T3 and rockhopper as town

[GuyInFreezer]

But it's like some 4D chess shit so I can't really explain atm

[T3]

Huh okay.

[T3]

But it's like some 4D chess shit so I can't really explain atm

Could we have a peek into the mind of Guyinfreezer?

[Roden]

I didn't really like the joke pocket either but it's nothing to build any kind of case with.

Sang isn't pinging me atm, I think his "panic" feels more like bewilderment tbh

firstly, okay but how about it being worth a vote if you don’t have something more useful to do with yours rn? and secondly, what about rockhopper’s very lazy hop onto me and then equally trying-to-look-like-there’s-thought-behind-his-reads-but-not-really vote and explanation for said vote on me

Secondly, interesting-to-weird take — what in my posting sounds like bewilderment to you?

You're the second person to try to dictate my vote now.

I don't like wagoning on Day 1, it gives me zero information and doesn't give me much room to pressure somebody else if they start pinging me. I like to let others wagon since it gives me more info on the game state. E-3, E-2, and E-1 votes are extremely telling and are what I'm going to be basing a lot of my reads on.

Besides that, I'd also just prefer to VOTE: Jumble since they aren't receiving any pressure at all right now and haven't spoken up since helping start a wagon.

Also, you sounded bewildered to me because you got wagoned out of nowhere and your reaction to it felt aggressive rather than defensive.

[T3]

Roden, thoughts on Rockhopper?

[Roden]

But it's like some 4D chess shit so I can't really explain atm

Could we have a peek into the mind of Guyinfreezer?

Beat me to it. I want to give GIF benefit of the doubt but he isn't explaining any of his reads or actions. I don't trust anyone who reads people as town so early into the game. It always feels like a ploy to gain trust.

And no offense T3 but I especially don't trust anyone who specifically town reads you so early into the game since you play so chaotically. You're a town lean at best for me right now as it is.

[Roden]

Roden, thoughts on Rockhopper?

I didn't like the pocket comment or the wagon vote, and I agree with Sang that Rock's reasoning for his vote was flimsy at best. I don't think he really thought that vote through at all. He could just be trying to put on pressure just for the sake of it.

If it comes down to it, I'll vote him if no one can agree on a more suspicious player. I personally want to pressure Jumble more though since I think he's getting off easy here.

[Roden]

My biggest concern is what scum currently thinks of the game state. If the wagons don't shift in the coming days then they're likely perfectly happy with what's going on.

Everything is also subject to change once Johnny starts posting. His influence on the game will be interesting to read.

[GuyInFreezer]

I especially don't trust anyone who specifically town reads you so early into the game

The earliest I've hard townread someone ever as town was post 4 I believe.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also not really a V/LA but I won't be around much tomorrow. With that said this game is really slow tbh

[Rockhopper]

Do you seriously think a (supposedly) experienced player like sang would just claim pr as scum knowing full well it will get everyone's attention?

That's just wifom. He wouldn't really worry if he's experienced.

[Rockhopper]

No, 32 was majorly scummy

Whats wrong with my reaction to my wagon?

Your reads that followed felt panicky and manufactured

why

This is a meaningless thing to say by itself, substantiate your points

Well, firstly I think your read about there being 1 scum for sure in {me, Jumble} is manufactured because the "PR bait" arg wasn't all that bad. It seems equivalent to just throwing shade at a random pair of players even though there's a better(>50%) chance that neither are scum from town!you's perspective, which is scummy because that's something the mafia would do to appear towny. Secondly, your paranoia with those chances doesn't add up with your three unsubstantiated townreads. Vax, worst of all.

[Rockhopper]

That being said, there's defo one scum in {Roden, sand} :p

[Roden]

How can there be one scum between me and Sang if you think Sang is scum? Or are we your hero solve?

[sang froid]

I don't like wagoning on Day 1,

it gives me zero information

and doesn't give me much room to pressure somebody else if they start pinging me. I like to let others wagon since it gives me more info on the game state. E-3, E-2, and E-1 votes are extremely telling and are what I'm going to be basing a lot of my reads on.

How does it not provide information? Surely it gives you information of a different sort, and how does it stop you pressuring anyone if you want to change your vote? You’re not beholden to keep voting on a wagon just because you did once?

And additionally, how is vanity voting someone (which is exerting very little pressure and is therefore unlikely to provide much information alone) better than helping put the squeeze on someone?

Also, why do you think E-3, E-2, and E-1 votes are especially important? Why are those more indicative of alignment fypov than wagon leaders or hammer votes?

[sang froid]

As for me being aggressive— yeah, sure, that’s not inaccurate but it’s more because I’m not particularly worried about getting limmed today and less about any level of confusion on my part. I was expecting to potentially pick up votes for my entrance because it was artificially scummy but I have every faith in myself to demonstrate that I’m town vía how I approach the game