Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

[Chara]

Arte: did you talk about why you targeted Titus with your cop?

[Guillotina]

Because someone pointed out something about the mod stating you cant self target in this game

That's not what happened.

The original wording I used was weird, the original wording I used was "I could compare another's alignment to myself"

Because I didn't want to talk about the fact that my active ability requires me to target two separate targets

I don't even really understand how he came to the conclusion that roles such as mine generally can't self target because I had to ask him about it.

This is all semantics though and an argument about semantics is just about the last thing I want to be doing

Come on Artemia, this is not a Donald Trump rally, where you get fact checked and still you refuse facts.

Let me remind you that you said you had a red check on titus followed by saying that you compared Titus alignment with yours (which you backtracked after being told that the mod allegedly stated that you cant self target in this game)

For the record, i cannot confirm nor deny that no one can self target in this game, but Artemia believed it and backtracked her initial claim.

and later said that you targeted Titus and the doppelgänger (which implies either the ghost entity or the player you counter claimed as being a cop yesterday and they are both gone).

[Thestatusquo]

Rocket Fist Chara removed 1 hp from the game - innate
Data Mined NDMath (2 sp) - Blocked NDMath from regenerating SP.

why didn't you target me with both abilities?

not that i'm complaining i guess.

You're more valuable flipped for my VCA.

NDMath was the scum I felt would live and needed to be stopped on further nights.

I hate this kind of reasoning.

But, we know that.

Ok. It should be confirmed that Chara did lose HP though and Chara isn't obvtown.

My actions make sense and they aren't changing when caught out.

I pushed to lim scum and protect town all day yesterday.

This "guilty" is most likely an attempt to silence me because all my townreads are right.

yeah, it makes sense.

i mean... shea, i know you don't townread Titus, but i don't see why she pushes anya when she did and commits to the bus like that. nothing she's done is ringing big alarm bells for me.

i also think Arte's lying is ridiculous if she's town, like she can claim it was to avoid wifom all she wants but the change in tune is suspicious and ends up causing this whole discussion anyway. i don't know how i'm supposed to be finding scum in this meta if town love lying so much.

Why would arte take a line that at best trades her for titus if she's scum? Unless they're both scum. But that makes even less sense.

Occam's razer says arte is town. That tells me Titus is likely scum, but I'll admit that my biases are obviously already in that direction. And I don't think Titus' claim that she was the one who pushed anya is real. Like, scum shade and vote their buddies all the time. Sometimes they even push them hard. I don't think there was any real risk of anya getting yeeted until LLD showed up and at that point it became almost inevitable. So I don't give titus any points for being on anya.

Ok really thread break now.

[Artemiana]

I am a hexer

My role is as I stated

And due to SP requirements I cannot fire off my active ability on each consecutive night stratum

I believe titus to be scum here, and it's a strong enough of a belief that, if I did not have the ability to act last night, I blow my own role open before I could act just so I can get her eliminated.

And it isn't as if I'm not the person who doesn't know how titus plays either, I went to bat for her in mizzys normal when PoE nearly had her as probable remaining scum.

[Artemiana]

Arte: did you talk about why you targeted Titus with your cop?

No

But I mean titus and FB/shiro are at the very bottom of my PoE and I have been very clear about that

[Chara]

Occam's razer says arte is town. That tells me Titus is likely scum, but I'll admit that my biases are obviously already in that direction. And I don't think Titus' claim that she was the one who pushed anya is real. Like, scum shade and vote their buddies all the time. Sometimes they even push them hard. I don't think there was any real risk of anya getting yeeted until LLD showed up and at that point it became almost inevitable. So I don't give titus any points for being on anya.

i don't think Arte town makes Titus scum because i don't believe in that cop check's ability to test the alignment of a player against a copy that isn't an actual player.

but whatever. maybe i just can't come around to scumreading the player i kept yelling at yesterday because she was arguing to eliminate scum and i was telling her she was wrong.

pedit: what about Titus's play yesterday made you think she was bussing?

[Guillotina]

I would not have been able to act tonight if I did not sap SP from someone else

I chose morph the cat because PENULTIMATE

and I made the assumption that I probably wouldn't have just delayed whatever it is that they could do to the second night stratum.

Neither head are dependant on their roles to win a game (except maybe neighbor as scum manipulative as they are) so their efficacy was not reduced

Also, my active ability allows me to see if two targets share an alignment or not

So you're claiming you self-targeted now in a game that routinely doesn't allow self targeting?

Titus was the player that said in this game players cant self target.

[morph the cat]

I am a hexer

My role is as I stated

And due to SP requirements I cannot fire off my active ability on each consecutive night stratum

I believe titus to be scum here, and it's a strong enough of a belief that, if I did not have the ability to act last night, I blow my own role open before I could act just so I can get her eliminated.

And it isn't as if I'm not the person who doesn't know how titus plays either, I went to bat for her in mizzys normal when PoE nearly had her as probable remaining scum.

Did you, or did you not, explicitly in fact target titus last night?

Yes or no answer. Please cut any running gambits and answer honestly.

[Artemiana]

Did I ever say I think shea is scum here?

No. I just wanted to contribute the fact Shea would be near locktown if you were actually giving me credit for the elimination rather than faking a guilty on me.

I want good reads in this thread and I'll fight for it.

I would never give you credit for anya's elimination

This is what I mean when I made the statement that you are playing the game in a political manner.

You barely made a push against anya, and then you only scum-read me yesterday for what basically amounts to omgus reason.

Today you're seeing a way to backtrack a way from being today's elimination and that is not going to happen

[Chara]

i think i'm going to not have opinions today and just sheep LLD.
no, i didn't think i'd be here either.

[Artemiana]

I want to hold on to when I can act.

There is at least a 25% chance that scum don't know which night stratums I am able to act on

[Something_Smart]

DOES EVERYONE SEE ALL THIS INSANE BANTER AROUND NM

no? I see legitimate points being raised.

[Thestatusquo]

I want to hold on to when I can act.

There is at least a 25% chance that scum don't know which night stratums I am able to act on

Answer morphs question. Like, right now. Actually, like 2 posts ago.

[Artemiana]

Once it's confirmed that NM could have been targeted last night, continued concerns about NMs targetability should no longer be a question.

And I don't see a point in wondering what alignment he would have flipped if eliminated when his ties to anya are clear

[Guillotina]

Also the N1 deaths are weird.

1) Sigmund claimed doctor.
2) Artemia softed cop counterclaiming Toog's cop claiming.
3) Morph claimed roleblocker blocker.
4) WhemeStar claims that Sigmund could have been roleblocked as per his result.
5) Morph states that they targeted Sigmund.
6) Titus claimed that she Rocket Fist Chara removed 1 hp from the game - innate
Data Mined NDMath (2 sp) - Blocked NDMath from regenerating SP.

Questions.

1) Why scum kills Toog instead of the counterclaim (Artemia)?
2) Why scum kills STD?
3) What action did Morph target Sigmund with? Are Morph a roleblocker blocker or just a roleblocker?
4) Why scum does not kill Bingle (Inno child) if Sigmund was roleblocked?
5) Why scum does not kill Morph if Sigmund was roleblocked?
6) Why scum does not kill me if Sigmund was roleblocked?
7) Why scum does not Lady if Sigmund was roleblocked?

Or

8) If Sigmund was not roleblocked then what does WhemeStar result actually mean?
9) If Sigmund was targeted by Morph with the roleblocker blocker, who did Sigmund attempted to target?
10) Is there a liar between WhemeStar and Morph?


Answers to my own questions, feel free to share yours.

1) Because if Artemia is scum, they believed Toog's claim.
2) No fucking idea considering there are better kill choices if i placed myself in scum's shoes.
3) if WhemStar claim is true, Morph did something bad to Sigmund, if Sigmund is the actual doctor, then Morph roleblocked him or infected him with a negative effect. But if they did? Why claim it, sort of counterclaiming WheneStar? Is Morph truthWolfing?
4) Scum could have been watcher-dodging.
5) Scum could have been watcher-dodging or they figured their Gambit yesterday placed them in a bad position if Morph are town and felt they could mischop them instead. OR Morph could be scum.
6) Scum could have been watcher-dodging or they are afraid i counter attack factional kills too or they are working on an angle to get me mischopped later or I just have bad reads.
7) Scum could have been watcher-dodging.
8) No clue.
9) This is your cue Sigmund
10) is there?

[morph the cat]

3) Morph claimed roleblocker blocker.

Where did you think we claimed that?

[Thestatusquo]

Once it's confirmed that NM could have been targeted last night, continued concerns about NMs targetability should no longer be a question.

And I don't see a point in wondering what alignment he would have flipped if eliminated when his ties to anya are clear

three posts ago.

[Guillotina]

We'll step back then, fine, whatever.

People don't ATUALLY want another xenoblade cabd when they have to live with him in the moment.

They just want the end results :/

Except I'm 1-0 this game.

And I feel very on fire.

So this sudden burst of "ME CONTROL ME TOWNIE TOWN CENTER AROUND ME"

right after I just did a BoP test and fucking spiked it?

Reads like trying to ensure social control remains in your hands and not mine.

And I scumread that from you today.

PI also have a goal to sort Shea/G. Right now, I favor G scum trying to pit me and Shea against each other.

Titus, explain how did i try to pit you against Shea?

Your reads saying one of me/Shea must be scum.

And?

[Artemiana]

I am holding onto when I can take action.

I am also going back to bed.

[Something_Smart]

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[Thestatusquo]

I am holding onto when I can take action.

I am also going back to bed.

This was not morphs question to you. Yes or no did you target titus last night?

[unwnd]

I need to clarify some things once again, under the discretion of the listmods once again.

1) This game has a lot of processes. It's experimental and I admit that for one person it can be difficult to track everything. I am doing my best to make sure errors I make are minimum.
2) This game initially had a mechanic in it's design phase where there would be usage of outside communication. This mechanic did not entirely correlate as to why I am using discord, rather it was just an added on feature.

This was cut after discussion with my co-mod and with a listmod

; The usage of discord is simply moderator preference in how I communicate with you all.
3) Roles as they flip are written in stone. Whatever the rolecard says, goes.
4) Once again, if you don't understand something: Ask. Always ask me. I will state this once again that this game is not bastard. I will never lie to you and if something doesn't seem right you may immediately state your concerns as I am an imperfect being.

[Guillotina]

VOTE: ARTEMIA

Let's not give her time to fake claim something.

[Bingle]

Wheme is probably not lying about the cryptic message, but assuming we know what it means is just likely to result in shitpushes. There was a protective soft on me that I caught, and it’s possible that toog was an extra scum kill or vig kill and scum did try to kill me. If siggy is scum it explicitly makes sense that both he and I would be alive, which is precisely enough reason to leave me alive if he’s town and I’m off base.

[Guillotina]

3) Morph claimed roleblocker blocker.

Where did you think we claimed that?

I thought you did. Let me look.