Open 814: CultD3 CULT WINS

[Marky Mark]

Why do people insist on answering around my questions?

I know it's pride month T3, but I need a STRAIGHT ANSWER.

I mean I'm always in favour of promoting LGBT causes, but this is the first time I've seen it used as a vehicle to push someone

[Marky Mark]

If I'm counting correctly then everyone has stated that they can't CC Enchant, except for Umlaut who heavily implied that he couldn't so that is near enough. I guess that means that Enchant is pretty much conftown, which is a useful reference point at least.

[T3]

No, I'm not ccing.

[Marky Mark]

UNVOTE: ench
VOTE: major

Putting votes on separate lines for readability.
~ Kori

Why Major?

Seeing as you're online T3 and I'm already nudging people to actually answer my questions...

[T3]

UNVOTE: ench
VOTE: major

Putting votes on separate lines for readability.
~ Kori

Why Major?

Seeing as you're online T3 and I'm already nudging people to actually answer my questions...

Honestly I don't know of anyone better at this point to vote.

[Marky Mark]

UNVOTE: ench
VOTE: major

Putting votes on separate lines for readability.
~ Kori

Why Major?

Seeing as you're online T3 and I'm already nudging people to actually answer my questions...

Honestly I don't know of anyone better at this point to vote.

That neatly avoids the root of the question. Why is Major better than the other options in your opinion?

[Marky Mark]

I'm headed off to bed, but will catch up with all you lovely people tomorrow

[Flea The Magician]

There was a reason I wanted the straight answer, and that's because CC options are now HEAVILY limited and there's no wiggle room for later.

I genuinely think Major Minor is the wagon for today, and I'll be keeping an eye on Osuka because I have sus on that slot too.

[Raya36]

I think T3 saying in effect "now I believe Enchant's claim" makes it pretty obvious he doesn't have a counterclaim (and, in case anyone is still unclear on this, neither do I). At any rate if he tries to make a counterclaim later I'm certainly not going to believe it.

I don't think T3 keeping his vote on Enchant after the "I'm a PR" claim is scum-indicative at all. I voted Enchant after that and so did others so that's an odd thing to pick on T3 specifically for.

It was more the lack of reasoning when he just stated he was keeping his vote there. You explained why. Although Marky did say T3 has done this before as scum so I guess it would make sense why he could think Enchant was gambiting.
That said, I still scumread T3's general posting and want to keep my vote there.

I think it was fair for me to be concerned when I know Enchant doesn't normally stick to only mechanics and is capable of much better. It makes a lot more sense that Enchant was so focused on mechanics now that they have claimed.

Ok, let me unpick this from a different angle - did you or did you not SR Enchant when you made those comments? If you did, then why not say that rather than skirting around the subject?

I had a scumlean for sure but it wasn't strong. Sometimes I like to pick at players I scumlean by giving little bits of pressure that way without writing a whole case. Sometimes I post like that as reminders to myself later on, kind of like thinking out loud.

[Flea The Magician]

@MOD V/LA 14-16 June

V/LA noted.
~ Kori

[Major Minor]

VOTE: T3

Fuck it. I don't want to crossvote Osuka and I would prefer if you guys didn't eliminate town D1.

[Korina]

Deadline is being paused at four days. InsidiousLemons has requested replacement.
All other moderator action comes soon.

[Major Minor]

This is transparently because I think T3 stands a decent chance of flipping scum -- at the very least, has a higher scumflip probability than myself or Osuka, and I sense that T3 would also be the most likely other person to get support for a wagon before deadline.

Also stating here that Umlaut is my top scumread after a reread. He hasn't done any scumhunting all game. The last actual read they gave was that the solve was me/T3 as the cult team... then proceeded to vote Enchant, pushing them to a claim. Since the unvote on Enchant they've done nothing other than imply they'll flip back to me. They've questioned the mod, given self-meta, and answered questions directed at them -- but have done very little to advance reads or poke/prod/present cases. Scum-indicative behavior, esp. since I know most of the theater today has revolved around bad pushes on me (town) and Enchant (un-CC'd PR, so likely town). Would make sense for scum to be blending in.

But... T3 feels like they would have more support than Umlaut at this point. So that's where my vote is, because we're close to deadline.

[Umlaut]

Shoot, I was just typing up a question for Lemons too ("why are you still voting the effectively-confirmed town PR")

[Korina]

VOTE COUNT 1.11

Major Minor (2):

Flea The Magician, T3

T3 (2):

Raya36, Major Minor

Enchant (1):

InsidiousLemons

osuka (1):

Marky Mark

Raya36 (1):

Enchant

Flea The Magician (0):

InsidiousLemons (0):

Marky Mark (0):

Umlaut (0):

Not Voting (2):

osuka, Umlaut

With

9

votes in play, it takes

5

of them to yeet somebody.

At deadline, Major Minor shall be yeeted.

DEADLINE PAUSED AT FOUR DAYS UNTIL REPLACEMENT IS FOUND.

Mod Notes

:
- Korina is V/LA on weekends. Please direct questions at that time to my Discord (Korina#4826)
- Maruchan is my co-mod.
- Flea The Magician will be V/LA from June 14th, 2021 until June 16th, 2021.
- InsidiousLemons has requested replacement.

Pronoun Key

Korina - They/Them
Maruchan - She/Her
Flea The Magician - Fae/Faer or They/Them
Raya36 - She/Her
Enchant - Please set preferred pronouns in user control panel.
Major Minor - He/Him
Marky Marky - He/Him
T3 - He/Him
Umlaut - He/Him
osuka - He/Him
InsidiousLemons - Any Pronouns

[Major Minor]

ESPECIALLY if Flea is town.

Flea, if you're town, you're pushing on town here. Think about that for a moment and how that might explain some of the gamestate. With you doing the heavy lifting for scum to push people onto a miselimination onto me, they can sorta just... blend in. What other active things have been happening?

This isn't a long game, just 16 pages. I'd encourage people to reread and see the dominant narrative. It has solely centered around me from the start of this game, pretty much -- one of the first real reads expressed after Flea pushed us out of RVS was that people were sus of me for various reasons, and a majority of the dialogue has continued to be about that -- which means scum really don't want to shake up the narrative too much, because from their perspective, they had a townie in the spotlight (me) while I pushed for a wagon on a town PR (Enchant). The goal should be to find who was specifically trying not to rock the boat and seemed content to let the status quo stay as it is (Umlaut, ???).

[Korina]

Dwlee99 replaces InsidiousLemons effective now.
Deadline resumes at four days. (expired on 2021-06-14 11:20:00)

[Dwlee99]

Hey everyone. Someone I trust tell me who the cult is?

[Dwlee99]

Not Voting (2): osuka, Umlaut

VOTE: Umlaut

[Umlaut]

Well it's better than keeping your vote on Enchant anyway, but I suppose you probably don't trust me then.

At one point I thought the team was {Major Minor, T3} but now they're voting one another and I'm not sure what to think. It could possibly be one of them with you, I kind of soured on Lemons (heh) when they just kind of did nothing including change their vote after Enchant's claim and the replace-out doesn't help either.

[Umlaut]

Sort of seems like there's no point in Major Minor making a case that I'm scum while voting his scumbuddy T3 so I think that team is likely wrong but I'm not sure which if either half is right.

[Dwlee99]

I haven't read anything yet, you still have the chance to get me to look past your vote not being on anyone. What happened with enchant?

[Umlaut]

They fucked around for most of the day, then started suggesting PRs should just come out and claim on Day 1, then explicitly claimed to have a PR when they had only two votes on them (though as I recall a lot of people agreed they were weird and null at best), then immediately said they changed their mind and no other PRs should claim. This was erratic and suspect enough behavior to get them pushed to L-1 and a full claim extracted; they're a Town Rolestopper. I'm assuming this claim is true since if it weren't someone would be able to counterclaim.

[Umlaut]

At its peak the Enchant wagon was {Major Minor, T3, InsidiousLemons, me}

[Dwlee99]

So who do you think is evil now?