Townstumps Mafia (Endgame)

[cyrus62]

fyi im not saying unvote them

[cyrus62]

VOTE: nk15

[House]

Moon and Mastina are basically locktown for me

What was your take on Moon buddying me and townreading me until I called them scum, then flipping the script and immediately trying to to build a wagon on me?

Not even a gradual build up, it went from cookies and milk to acid cocktails.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I should probably read more on NK15 since he looks super elimination baity.
Not saying that makes them town, but still true.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Moon and Mastina are basically locktown for me

What was your take on Moon buddying me and townreading me until I called them scum, then flipping the script and immediately trying to to build a wagon on me?

Not even a gradual build up, it went from cookies and milk to acid cocktails.

Yeah i don’t feel like Moon’s been townie at all so far.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok, having looked it over, i prefer an Moongrass lim to an NK15 lim.
NSG townreads moon but i think their reasoning is pretty meh, just meta.

[NorwegianboyEE]

JJ what are your current thoughts at?

Mia is looking more town.

Cyrus appears to be now townreading me because of my part in avoiding a hammer and I'm not sure what to think of that- still think he's quite possibly scum

Nom looks town, NM is possibly scum and Titus is probably scum


Moon and Mastina are basically locktown for me


I think Gamma and House are both town

FMFT could easily be scum but haven't really seen anything convincing me either way

I think that's everyone

You missed NK15

Oh right I'm not voting NK15 any more because I don't want an early hammer, but good odds of NK15 being scum

This is an odd thing to forget. Feels kinda performative.

[House]

Ok, having looked it over, i prefer an Moongrass lim to an NK15 lim.
NSG townreads moon but i think their reasoning is pretty meh, just meta.

I'd be fine with that, on the grounds that a Moon red flip leads to an NK elimination the next day.

Moon lost the farm once NK hit E-1 with the elimination moratorium lifted.

[House]

JJ what are your current thoughts at?

Mia is looking more town.

Cyrus appears to be now townreading me because of my part in avoiding a hammer and I'm not sure what to think of that- still think he's quite possibly scum

Nom looks town, NM is possibly scum and Titus is probably scum


Moon and Mastina are basically locktown for me


I think Gamma and House are both town

FMFT could easily be scum but haven't really seen anything convincing me either way

I think that's everyone

You missed NK15

Oh right I'm not voting NK15 any more because I don't want an early hammer, but good odds of NK15 being scum

This is an odd thing to forget. Feels kinda performative.

Eh. Can't say I've never done it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Not liked JJ’s read on Cyrus.
In fact i don’t really find anything about JJ townie.
Gamma i’ve liked a bit better for their interactions recently.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Not scumreading JJ for the record, just not convinced.

[NorwegianboyEE]

NSG wanna talk more about Moon?

[House]

Not scumreading JJ for the record, just not convinced.

I'm ambivalent.

I need more time to figure him out.

I was hoping to sheep those who knew him better since I've been gone for so long, but everyone seems to disagree on him, so I'll get around to sorting him, probably d2.

Gun to my head, I wouldn't hammer his wagon if one built. That's the best I can do right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok, having looked it over, i prefer an Moongrass lim to an NK15 lim.
NSG townreads moon but i think their reasoning is pretty meh, just meta.

I'd be fine with that, on the grounds that a Moon red flip leads to an NK elimination the next day.

Moon lost the farm once NK hit E-1 with the elimination moratorium lifted.

What does the last part mean?
And why should NK go with an Moon scumflip?

[House]

Ok, having looked it over, i prefer an Moongrass lim to an NK15 lim.
NSG townreads moon but i think their reasoning is pretty meh, just meta.

I'd be fine with that, on the grounds that a Moon red flip leads to an NK elimination the next day.

Moon lost the farm once NK hit E-1 with the elimination moratorium lifted.

What does the last part mean?
And why should NK go with an Moon scumflip?

1) I think NK should go regardless, personally.
2) Moon bent over backwards defending them when I put NK in lolhammer range with NM in the game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

2) Moon bent over backwards defending them when I put NK in lolhammer range with NM in the game.

I mean, could be white knighting town. If i was scum in that position i’d even consider defending them while expecting N_M to hammer.

[House]

2) Moon bent over backwards defending them when I put NK in lolhammer range with NM in the game.

I mean, could be white knighting town. If i was scum in that position i’d even consider defending them while expecting N_M to hammer.

I mean, maybe?

I was associating the 497-533 interaction with NK for some reason, but after checking that was FMFT.

I'll give NK another look. Not unvoting yet, though.

[cyrus62]

is no one else seeing how hard it is to get a nk hammer . think we need 7 votes if there is 3 scum here and nither of them are voting nk15 then thats why its takeing so long.

[NorwegianboyEE]

is no one else seeing how hard it is to get a nk hammer . think we need 7 votes if there is 3 scum here and nither of them are voting nk15 then thats why its takeing so long.

That's an gross oversimplification of how mafia works.
And it's pretty much only 2 mafia votes if NK is scum here since NK would obviously not vote themselves if they are scum and also town.

[House]

Spoiler: NK ISO Review

FMFT & cyrus are the two I'm comfortable voting at this point.

FMFT, okay, but why Cyrus?

FMFT seems to be a very evasive in giving actual reasons for their scumreads.

I ISO'ed Cyrus and didn't find anything suspicious.

The first thing that set me off was the superficial read of the Fey twins earlier in their ISO, but then they make this post where it's very easy to superficially scumread cyrus (which they don't).

FMFT & cyrus are the two I'm comfortable voting at this point.

FMFT, okay, but why Cyrus?

FMFT seems to be a very evasive in giving actual reasons for their scumreads.

I ISO'ed Cyrus and didn't find anything suspicious.

FMFT is voting with you - why are you shading them?

You mean why I scumread them a bit?
Because not all of my scumreads are perfect. One of you may be very well town. Or not.
Because scum does not always vote town.

Scum tends to be more aware of those on the wagon with them, and I think NK would have a better answer than this fumbling around post if they were scum.

It means not interacting with them directly which I haven't for some time. Like I know it's next level play to you to actually take into account other people's reads, but it's actually easier to play as a team instead of some delusional scum hunting god flying solo. A lot of what I do won't ever be acknowledged and I've made peace with that long ago.

1. That is a lie, you've made the "giving space" post very early on in your iso but still interacted and wrote a case about the hydra being scum in the meantime
2. The "I know it's next level play to you to actually take into account other people's reads" is highly not necessary and comes off as discrediting a very valid point
3. So your whole argument is that you want to play as a team so I assume this means that you are basically saying you are more or less trying to follow the stumps in their assessments. While that is a fair assessment, I don't buy that, as town:
>You basically give up your nancy push because of that
>You change your gamma read from town to scum because of that (because I assume this is what it is, considering you confidently say you townread gamma early on, then for no reason include him in your hypothetical scumteam, and the only explanation I see that could justify that is norwee saying he thinks the slot is scummy)
That last self-defeating line also doesn't strike me as town at all and feels more like trying to sell to me a town mindset that doesn't exist.
I feel pretty confident that you're scum here. None of this makes sense.

This is a pretty accurate statement.

Yeah, no thanks. So did Nancy put you up to this?

This post gives me a very bad feeling.

I have had significant pushes on the play of House (although this was primarily to get us out of RVS), Mia (specifically the koba head), and you. You have gone to lengths to ignore or dismiss these because they don't fit your narrative. I'm pretty sure these are the main areas of content that everybody else in the game is using to place me- so I'm fairly sure the only reason you aren't finding content there is because you don't want to.

Yep.
Scumteam is Moongrass + Cyrus + Mia/FMFT
VOTE: Moongrass

Oh! Yeah, this flip with zero progression really triggered me.

If Moongrass isn't town then the hydra is obviously town, and I suspected Moongrass a bit more than the hydra. Yet if Moongrass is town the hydra is a scumread.
Although

Hope is less effective than an unvote.

UNVOTE:

I am not so sure why they unvoted here if they are scum.
What made me suspicious of Cyrus is this here:

Cyrus, as an exercise, please could you explain your Gamma Emerald townread

I iso them and I'm on my phone right now so linking the stuff would be hard but from what I see they are actually scum hunting and shorting people unlike you who is just going by meta but I also iso every one and Mia is now my 3dr suspect so when I get back on my phone I'm going to prod and pick on them till I get a reaction I can see why nk15 could be scum as well though so I'm going re read . You mia nk15 and mastina

It's very selective of you to say I'm only using meta and I think you've said it one too many times for me to just ignore you doing so

I have had significant pushes on the play of House (although this was primarily to get us out of RVS), Mia (specifically the koba head), and you. You have gone to lengths to ignore or dismiss these because they don't fit your narrative. I'm pretty sure these are the main areas of content that everybody else in the game is using to place me- so I'm fairly sure the only reason you aren't finding content there is because you don't want to.

There are 4 players about whom I have talked meta- myself, Mastina, Nancy, and you. Myself because self meta is sometimes persuasive, Mastina because people were and apparently still are scumreading Mastina for things she normally does, Nancy because you cannot separate Nancy from her meta and if you try to then she'll bring you back to that topic, and you because I think when someone is playing to such a low standard of play as to literally read someone's readslist upside down I feel inclined to look at their meta to get a better understanding of what the hell is going on there. I mainly scumread you because it's pretty damn clear to me that you started off posting looking for reasons to scumread me specifically but lack the discretion required to determine believable ones.

VOTE: Cyrus
Let's eliminate this.

I mean, cyrus was doing this stuff all along without drawing NK's suspicion...?

However, it doesn't take a genius to correctly townread me when I've put so much content into the game, and people who just ignore that are inherently more likely to be scum

As an aside, take a look at where I am on NSG's readlist

content doesn't mean crap here . i play the way i do so no one can till if im scum or town and stump or not any one can be fooled .

What the is this sentence supposed to say? It is unreadable.

It's like the rest of his posts, pretty much... but now he's "unreadable" when there was nothing suspicious before?

OK, so I was thinking NK went from townreading cyrus to voting him with zero progression, but that's not what happened.

He stated a lack of suspicion, which is not the same as a town read.

Aaaand, Moon could have flipped his shit because he thought I was jumping at an opportunity to quicklynch by exaggerating the case against him.

Fuck. I gotta reset.

VOTE: FMFT

[Moongrass]

VOTE: FMFT

Not mafia
Nom
House
Gamma
Cyrus
Feys
Titus
NK15
FMFT
Jjh
Mastina

[Moongrass]

The mastina/jjh play here reminds me a lot of a scum mastina/RC play from an old TM game.

[House]

VOTE: FMFT

Not mafia
Nom
House
Gamma
Cyrus
Feys
Titus
NK15
FMFT
Jjh
Mastina

Sorry my perspective was jacked up.

[Moongrass]

I forgive you.

[Moongrass]

Nsg the game makes a lot more sense if jjh is scum. Fitting a team around nom doesn't work.