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Rannygazoo

(3): bugspray, excallq, cw357

DrippingGoofball

(2): Jake the Wolfie, Roden

excallq

(2): Egix96, VFP

cw357

(1): DrippingGoofball

Roden

(1): Titus

bugspray

(1): Rannygazoo

Not voting

(3): T3, Jessica Rabbit, geraintm

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to yeet.

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-06-14 14:20:00)

[Rannygazoo]

How would a Doctor be helpful if T3 is town?

Cw can heal T3 and vig can shoot T3 to verify town alignment

Of course, T3 just dies if cw is lying or is roleblocked

There’s your daily does of IIOA

[DrippingGoofball]

Why are we believing this claim?

It sounds like something scum would do to out the real doctor.

[VFP]

How would a Doctor be helpful if T3 is town?

Because T3 told us that there's a macho.
Scum want to get Macho over Doc, so if doc hits right then a town life is saved, including PRs.

The threat here to scum is the Macho plus a plausible vig, not the Doc.
The annoyance to scum here is the Doc.

[VFP]

Why are we believing this claim?

It sounds like something scum would do to out the real doctor.

No.

[DrippingGoofball]

Explain?

[VFP]

If there was a CC you all know my motto day 1...
I don't disbelieve the claim. At worst cw is scum Doc.

[VFP]

I think scum cw screws themselves there regardless though.

[DrippingGoofball]

If I'm scum, my go-to fakeclaim is going to be scum or tracker.

[VFP]

If I'm scum, my go-to fakeclaim is going to be scum or tracker.

Are you scum or tracker?

[Egix96]

How would a Doctor be helpful if T3 is town?

Because T3 told us that there's a macho.
Scum want to get Macho over Doc, so if doc hits right then a town life is saved, including PRs.

The threat here to scum is the Macho plus a plausible vig, not the Doc.
The annoyance to scum here is the Doc.

I'm not taking for granted that we might have a vig, since personally I see no indication of one.
Also, strongman might be a possibility.

[VFP]

I'm not taking for granted that we might have a vig, since personally I see no indication of one.
Also, strongman might be a possibility.

So this is the problem with no vig and a loyal doctor.
Why is the doctor loyal? This is a normal so no re direct or bus fuckery.
If just a scum doc, then why if there's already a macho cop?

It's not set, but it's very plausible if cw is doc regardless of alignment.

[excallq]

Random early (probably more than half wrong) reads on some folks.

cw: Can't really get a sense of whether or not the inactivity is tactical but the vote for me feels like it was a "safe" one in that he could just point to my earlier less-than-supremely-serious posts without having to provide much in the way of explanation or logic behind the vote, and since there wasn't any momentum behind eliminating me it wouldn't garner so much attention.

T3: Leaning towards believing the roleclaim

Jessica Rabbit: Feels like she's trying to project helpful

Ranny: Think he's been happier just getting in minor spats since attention has shifted to DGB and CW. Keeping my vote on him.

Roden: Kind of agreed with whoever said the tiff with Ranny seemed staged but he's been feeling more town lately.

DGB: Has been pushing back in a lot of directions and kinda flailing. To me it reads more purely aggressive than overtly scummy but I don't have a read on him as town either.

Anyone I didn't list I don't have a solid read on at all (insofar as any of these are remotely solid)

I’m not a fan of this. If your take on me is that I’m being helpful then where is the shade coming from? It’s akin to claiming a player who is very clearly doing townie things is trying to look like they are but not really.

I said my read on you was that you were trying to project the image of being helpful. This is different from and independent of actually being helpful.

The only thing I actually don’t hate about these posts is your take on T3. Why because these takes with the sole exception of the T3 read don’t make a lot of sense as a whole.

Considering that one of the “spats” Ranny got into was with me, why would you shade both of us here? It seems really clear that you’re scumreading Ranny and don’t think we’re aligned, so I don’t understand the thought process behind any of it besides the T3 thing.

I said nothing about you being aligned with Ranny or not. Curious why it seems to clear to you think I have that opinion.

Yes and it’s an extremely bizarre take. It looks like you want to shade me without any basis that makes any sense. What does that even mean? How is it even possible to “project helpfulness” and not actually be helpful? Why are you curious? you were shading both of us.

The bizarre takes are that me getting vaguely evil whiffs off two people means I am positively asserting those two are aligned and that stating you're trying to project helpfulness is some unfathomable concept.

Is there a language barrier? You come off like you're trying to feign being an active pro-town scum-hunter but that you aren't actually helping at all and just stirring up smoke. Which is exactly what you're doing.

[VFP]

It's Friday evening so I'm out for boardgames, and even more so to get me excited, it's the start of the Euro's tonight!
I doubt I'll do much over the weekend but I'll try!

Have a great night everyone!

[cw357]

ok so strategy idea: idk if i get killed tonight but i can just doc the vig target
so the target dies if they're scum and lives if they aren't

maybe there's an issue with that so pls point it out if there is
I saw something about there being a strongman (idk if it's true i just saw it while scrolling through the thread; forgive me if i took it out of context) so my role isn't even useful against scum kills

[cw357]

Also, we only have three days left and the wagons all feel like they're losing steam. Are we looking at pursuing a wagon against one of DGB, Ranny, Excallq,

or myself

? Or is there interest on someone else?

uhhhhhhh

[cw357]

Loyal is the correct modifier.

maybe we're both wolves

could titus be telling me that to in essence pocket me or whatever
like trying to work into the townclears

it would be a big-brain strategy but not necessarily too far-fetched

i wouldn't mind the idea of the vig targeting titus and ill doc so that kill doesnt go through
although if vig is fakeclaiming it could get screwed up

[cw357]

I hope everything is okay, Titus.

Thanks. It largely is, but I am swamped at work. If my trial next week goes, I'll have to vla for it. I won't know if it goes for a bit though.

r ppl having too much fun

[cw357]

Ugh I hate we're still in RVS.

Vote me if you have to.

this is a very off-putting post much like the one i quoted a little while back
like it just doesn't strike me as a normal town thing to say, especially for an experience player

I like Jessica Rabbit as town.

and then this post came without any explanation or follow-up

It is but I'm not going to out the modifier to ensure that cw has to come up with the answer on their own.

Loyal is the correct modifier.

idk
showing up with this "self-clear" didn't feel quite right
i get that if it was the reverse then you all would be saying this to me
but it was just weird

titus is probably a scumread for me

i dont think it really matters tbh but i guess ill review the case against excallq because i've somewhat forgotten what it was srry

[cw357]

ill have to check Jessica Rabbit's meta
like when i played my first game i talked kind of like that with convoluted and overly formal language

but if jessica's experienced than it becomes a little bit more meh or sus (see my wonderful descriptive vocabulary )

i should be able to be a little more active from here out because school is over bt

[cw357]

*btw

[cw357]

I am posting because it will look suspicious if I don't.

I mean hello everyone.

o yea i forgot about this

Having said that, the traitor speculation is complete garbage, why can't they just straight up say I'm scum instead of this roundabout traitor BS?

Cuz scum are more likely to try not to draw so much attention to themselves day one whereas townies are more likely to not call for policy eliminations also day one?

honestly this is wifom
like town can use it too though so it's nai in my book

I have no self-awareness at all, scummy or otherwise.

Is this scummy self-awareness too?

I am posting because it will look suspicious if I don't.

I mean hello everyone.

ok i actually called this out earlier but shouldn't u have towny self-awareness, having no self-awareness sounds like scum trying to obscure their alignment

Random early (probably more than half wrong) reads on some folks.

cw: Can't really get a sense of whether or not the inactivity is tactical but the vote for me feels like it was a "safe" one in that he could just point to my earlier less-than-supremely-serious posts without having to provide much in the way of explanation or logic behind the vote, and since there wasn't any momentum behind eliminating me it wouldn't garner so much attention.

T3: Leaning towards believing the roleclaim

Jessica Rabbit: Feels like she's trying to project helpful

Ranny: Think he's been happier just getting in minor spats since attention has shifted to DGB and CW. Keeping my vote on him.

Roden: Kind of agreed with whoever said the tiff with Ranny seemed staged but he's been feeling more town lately.

DGB: Has been pushing back in a lot of directions and kinda flailing. To me it reads more purely aggressive than overtly scummy but I don't have a read on him as town either.

Anyone I didn't list I don't have a solid read on at all (insofar as any of these are remotely solid)

I’m not a fan of this. If your take on me is that I’m being helpful then where is the shade coming from? It’s akin to claiming a player who is very clearly doing townie things is trying to look like they are but not really.

I said my read on you was that you were trying to project the image of being helpful. This is different from and independent of actually being helpful.

The only thing I actually don’t hate about these posts is your take on T3. Why because these takes with the sole exception of the T3 read don’t make a lot of sense as a whole.

Considering that one of the “spats” Ranny got into was with me, why would you shade both of us here? It seems really clear that you’re scumreading Ranny and don’t think we’re aligned, so I don’t understand the thought process behind any of it besides the T3 thing.

I said nothing about you being aligned with Ranny or not. Curious why it seems to clear to you think I have that opinion.

Yes and it’s an extremely bizarre take. It looks like you want to shade me without any basis that makes any sense. What does that even mean? How is it even possible to “project helpfulness” and not actually be helpful? Why are you curious? you were shading both of us.

The bizarre takes are that me getting vaguely evil whiffs off two people means I am positively asserting those two are aligned and that stating you're trying to project helpfulness is some unfathomable concept.

Is there a language barrier? You come off like you're trying to feign being an active pro-town scum-hunter but that you aren't actually helping at all and just stirring up smoke. Which is exactly what you're doing.

hmm
this interaction didn't sound wolf/wolf but i think one of them's scum so:
there's ur garbage interactions read from cw for 6/11/21
seriously though I'm probably going to be voting for one of them and I'll suggest that we do the whole vig/doc thing on whoever isn't hanged if we don't hit scum

[Jake The Wolfie]

How would a Doctor be helpful if T3 is town?

Cw can heal T3 and vig can shoot T3 to verify town alignment

Of course, T3 just dies if cw is lying or is roleblocked

There’s your daily does of IIOA

And why would we assume there is a vigilante?
This is just filled with holes.

[excallq]

ok i actually called this out earlier but shouldn't u have towny self-awareness, having no self-awareness sounds like scum trying to obscure their alignment

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar

[Roden]

Also, we only have three days left and the wagons all feel like they're losing steam. Are we looking at pursuing a wagon against one of DGB, Ranny, Excallq,

or myself

? Or is there interest on someone else?

uhhhhhhh

It's because we're the only ones with votes atm. It seems like no one wants to draw attention and heavily push one of these potential wagons over another.