Townstumps Mafia (Endgame)

[northsidegal]

I guess it makes sense for you to claim players are different, but in that case.

also, for the record – my analysis of other people's play has nothing to do with me always projecting how i play or think onto others, or whatever you seem to be implying here. i made a comparison between jjh and myself because there was a salient comparison to make in that case.

again, i hate to make arrogant comments like this, but i won paragon for a reason, and that reason

wasn't

because i assume everyone thinks like me.

[nomnomnom]

I think there's clearly a split in the game with jjh mastina on one side and Fey nm on the other. If both groups are town then the game gets tricky.

I'm unsure I follow that logic.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You've stated JJH is completely or incredibly likely to be town, and i state my opposition to that.
And here we are.

[Moongrass]

I think there's clearly a split in the game with jjh mastina on one side and Fey nm on the other. If both groups are town then the game gets tricky.

I'm unsure I follow that logic.

Moonlogic isn't for everyone.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also, nothing makes me less wanting of listening to anyone's arguments than: "I won an paragon".

Sheesh.

[Moongrass]

I did think that NK may have been scum with my wagon being the counter to it. But then I'd have to review my townreads of cyrus and Gamma.

O stump lords please grant me you wisdom on these two.

[northsidegal]

@house sorry i don't have anything great to point to there for you, it's a weak gut read.

Also, nothing makes me less wanting of listening to anyone's arguments than: "I won an paragon".

Sheesh.

To be

exceedingly

clear, my argument for JJH being town has

nothing at all

to do with the fact that I won paragon, or any claim of superior general ability to anyone else. The

specific point

I was making when I brought that up was to counter

your

implication that I was incorrectly projecting my own mindset or playstyle onto other players when it was not applicable, which you asserted without evidence. This has

nothing

to do with my reads on anyone or attempting to convince someone on a read. It's

specifically

to the contrary of you directly impugning my skills based on nothing at all.

Again, to reiterate: you implied that I fallaciously assume that people always think or play like me. I countered this notion, offering the

evidence

that it's unlikely that someone can become paragon via assuming that people always think or play like them.

[nomnomnom]

Maybe it's just NK and I'm overthinking this VOTE: NK

[northsidegal]

Guys, nom is scum.

[nomnomnom]

And I tell you that you're wrong!

[NorwegianboyEE]

To be exceedingly clear, my argument for JJH being town has nothing at all to do with the fact that I won paragon, or any claim of superior general ability to anyone else. The specific point I was making when I brought that up was to counter your implication that I was incorrectly projecting my own mindset or playstyle onto other players when it was not applicable, which you asserted without evidence. This has nothing to do with my reads on anyone or attempting to convince someone on a read. It's specifically to the contrary of you directly impugning my skills based on nothing at all.

Then can you explain what basis of logic you are using specifically on JJH?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Or do we just give it up for the almighty NSG and lim Nomnom here.

[nomnomnom]

Or do we just give it up for the almighty NSG and lim Nomnom here.

And then we would learn why that's a terrible idea
But I welcome NSG making a case on me if she's that sure, even though I would largely prefer if she practiced the thought exercise I provided to her.

[Moongrass]

Guys, nom is scum.

I thought so but I only have one vote. If he is scum then I think Fey is more likely scum too which I don't mind.

[northsidegal]

Sure, let's try this socratically. Also, in the future, if you hate it when people bring up evidence that they're at least alright at mafia, please don't imply that people are bad based on nothing at all. It's really quite bothering.

Or do we just give it up for the almighty NSG and lim Nomnom here.

Never once

have I expected people to follow me based purely on who I am or based on some claim that I'm better than others. I make specific point not to do this because I greatly dislike arrogant people, so it really really bothers me for you to imply otherwise.

I

have

claimed that I have some "authority" when it comes to reading moon and jjh. This is because I've played with these players before, and have both a lot of relevant information when it comes to determining their alignment, as well as a lot of experience in doing so. It's not because I'm better than anyone else.

Please stop making comments like this. It really is quite upsetting.



So, let's get back to explaining JJH socratically. Question 1: do you think that it's possible to sort people based on meta?

[nomnomnom]

VOTE: FMFT

Not mafia
Nom
House
Gamma
Cyrus
Feys
Titus
NK15
FMFT
Jjh
Mastina

Guys, nom is scum.

I thought so but I only have one vote. If he is scum then I think Fey is more likely scum too which I don't mind.

???

[northsidegal]

I've never claimed to be better than anyone else. In fact, in basically every scenario when people say that they expect me to solve the game for them or whatever, I tell them to not think of me that way.

To reiterate again,

you implied

that I project the way that I play or think onto other people, blinding me to the way that they play. You asserted this without evidence. I feel that this is an unfair thing to assert about someone, especially without bringing up any sort of evidence. It's quite an upsetting thing to say to someone. The

only reason

that I brought up that I won paragon is because it is evidence against the idea that I'm unable to evaluate other players without projecting my own play onto them. It was not brought up to get someone to follow any of my reads. It was brought up to counter an unfair attack on me.

[Moongrass]

If nom is scum then it's likely NK15 is scum because his segway into my wagon seemed to heat up around that time, right?

[cyrus62]

Or do we just give it up for the almighty NSG and lim Nomnom here.

And then we would learn why that's a terrible idea
But I welcome NSG making a case on me if she's that sure, even though I would largely prefer if she practiced the thought exercise I provided to her.

i so dont like the idea of nom being scum . scum nom would have gone for my lynch

[Moongrass]

Nsg that's where you ignore the other person. We all know you're great, can you please redirect onto if my wagon was a counter and what nom scum means for NK?

[Moongrass]

Or do we just give it up for the almighty NSG and lim Nomnom here.

And then we would learn why that's a terrible idea
But I welcome NSG making a case on me if she's that sure, even though I would largely prefer if she practiced the thought exercise I provided to her.

i so dont like the idea of nom being scum . scum nom would have gone for my lynch

Where were you at threat of being limmed?

[nomnomnom]

If nom is scum then it's likely NK15 is scum because his segway into my wagon seemed to heat up around that time, right?

Nsg that's where you ignore the other person. We all know you're great, can you please redirect onto if my wagon was a counter and what nom scum means for NK?

VOTE: Moongrass
Maybe I was just right on my first read.
I believe you're just throwing stuff on a wall and seeing what sticks considering this is a completely illogical thing to think.
I think you might be the type of scum who is honest to a fault.

[northsidegal]

Nsg that's where you ignore the other person. We all know you're great, can you please redirect onto if my wagon was a counter and what nom scum means for NK?

This isn't about me proving that I'm great, it's the exact opposite. I don't care if people think that I'm bad or not. It upsets me slightly to have people impugn my skills, but it upsets me a

lot

more to have someone imply that I'm this arrogant person bragging about her accomplishments, because that goes against everything that I stand for as a person. It's completely contrary to everything about how I hold myself. I don't even know what kind of comparison I could make to get this across. I believe in humility so much and have always tried to act in accordance to that. I just really don't appreciate someone casually implying otherwise.

[Moongrass]

Aw. *hugs*

Norwegian it is hard to see nsg upset at a few throw away words. She has worked really hard to achieve the level of skill she has. Please be nice.

[House]

VOTE: nomnomnom
numnumnum