Open 814: CultD3 CULT WINS

[Dwlee99]

Hey everyone. Someone I trust tell me who the cult is?

[Dwlee99]

Not Voting (2): osuka, Umlaut

VOTE: Umlaut

[Dwlee99]

I haven't read anything yet, you still have the chance to get me to look past your vote not being on anyone. What happened with enchant?

[Dwlee99]

So who do you think is evil now?

[Dwlee99]

Umlaut you voted with your initial solve onto Enchant (major minor + t3). Why?

[Dwlee99]

That pinged you? It looks like a clear PR claim

[Dwlee99]

I haven't read a single T3 post but I'm soul reading them as evil right now. Time to read and try to confirm suspicions.

[Dwlee99]

Okay nevermind I lost the feel.

[Dwlee99]

I'm thinking marky has a good chance to flip CL.

[Dwlee99]

I was about to say "Beetlejuice tell" but Beetlejuice is paradoxically so well-known that for someone with a 2014 join date it's effectively an anti-tell

VOTE: Dwlee

I'm suddenly more interested in this than I am in the Major or T3. Lemons' jump onto Enchant is oddly timed in that based on their posts they

should

have voted Enchant pages and pages prior but

didn't

vote Enchant until it was safe (look at 290 basically asking Major's permission to join the wagon??) and then were oddly resistant to jumping back off; 333 seems to acknowledge that Enchant's claim most likely comes from town but still leaves the vote there, and 364

still

leaves the vote there (admittedly that was a "sorry I'm busy" post and devoid of content but it's not that hard to write the word "unvote")

Then Dwlee arrives, votes me, and immediately

reassures

me that I can talk them out of it. Something has rubbed me the wrong way about our interactions; it doesn't feel like they're talking to me the way you talk to a scumread. They also continue Lemons' habit of picking at things that are surface-level "bad" but not really scum-indicative: how is my answer to a question like 400 possibly supposed to help anyone sort me? It's just a make-work question, the kind of thing a person

thinks

they should read as scummy but in reality probably shouldn't care about if they actually care about finding scum.

Homie I voted you because you weren't voting anyone, it was effectively an RVS. Your point that I wasn't talking to you like a scumread is terribad and I think you know it. 400 is getting into the game having skimmed your ISO and name-connecting what you said about the Enchant wagon to what you said. Typically town think about who they're voting with so that you didn't even think about it is really weird to me. I'm more happy with my vote now.

[Dwlee99]

BTW marky mark is locktown save for being culted.

why

[Dwlee99]

before i start catching up i just want to say that this dogshit pseudo-meta talk about whether or not whoever confirmed whatever the fuck role PM before or after they saw a role or didn't or whatever else is among the dumbest, most brain dead, shit-tier fucking dumpster fire conversation i have ever seen in my life

if you gave me a fucking lobotomy i'd lose less brain cells than i did reading through that trash

Got through page 12, don't like marky or umlaut. We have 3.5 days so let's get something going.

[Dwlee99]

before i start catching up i just want to say that this dogshit pseudo-meta talk about whether or not whoever confirmed whatever the fuck role PM before or after they saw a role or didn't or whatever else is among the dumbest, most brain dead, shit-tier fucking dumpster fire conversation i have ever seen in my life

if you gave me a fucking lobotomy i'd lose less brain cells than i did reading through that trash

Who are you replying to?

[Dwlee99]

For clarity, was talking to Flea in the above post. The other post was in the Q+ cache.

[Dwlee99]

Major, I think you should consider switching to Umlaut because I agree with you on that read and am unconvinced on T3. There are 3 days so I think we have time to pressure there.

[Dwlee99]

Enchant, come along: it'll be fun.

[Dwlee99]

Aren't only me and Major on Umlaut? That's E-2

[Dwlee99]

If you vote ^

[Dwlee99]

I was about to say "Beetlejuice tell" but Beetlejuice is paradoxically so well-known that for someone with a 2014 join date it's effectively an anti-tell

VOTE: Dwlee

I'm suddenly more interested in this than I am in the Major or T3. Lemons' jump onto Enchant is oddly timed in that based on their posts they

should

have voted Enchant pages and pages prior but

didn't

vote Enchant until it was safe (look at 290 basically asking Major's permission to join the wagon??) and then were oddly resistant to jumping back off; 333 seems to acknowledge that Enchant's claim most likely comes from town but still leaves the vote there, and 364

still

leaves the vote there (admittedly that was a "sorry I'm busy" post and devoid of content but it's not that hard to write the word "unvote")

Then Dwlee arrives, votes me, and immediately

reassures

me that I can talk them out of it. Something has rubbed me the wrong way about our interactions; it doesn't feel like they're talking to me the way you talk to a scumread. They also continue Lemons' habit of picking at things that are surface-level "bad" but not really scum-indicative: how is my answer to a question like 400 possibly supposed to help anyone sort me? It's just a make-work question, the kind of thing a person

thinks

they should read as scummy but in reality probably shouldn't care about if they actually care about finding scum.

Homie I voted you because you weren't voting anyone, it was effectively an RVS. Your point that I wasn't talking to you like a scumread is terribad and I think you know it. 400 is getting into the game having skimmed your ISO and name-connecting what you said about the Enchant wagon to what you said. Typically town think about who they're voting with so that you didn't even think about it is really weird to me. I'm more happy with my vote now.

Shitty vote for shitty reasons that I don't think Umlaut honestly believes.

[Dwlee99]

Loving the continued attempts on my ego.
What is you read on Osuka, exactly?

They're not attempts, they're correct reads on your ego.

I read potential scum AND town motivation behind Osuka's full throated defense of me earlier in the day -- and his recent "What I didn't defend MajMin, where'd I do that" feels scummy. I read that situation as a potential one where he saw an opportunity to white knight me at the start of the day for +town points later, but didn't realize I'd be a sinking ship, and is now trying to distance himself before he gets dragged down with me. That would indicate scum motivation.

Your Osuka reasoning only makes sense if you're evil with an Osuka partner?

[Dwlee99]

Enchant 451?

[Dwlee99]

Okay gimme your thoughts.

[Dwlee99]

It only makes sense to drop you like a sinking ship for towncred if you're evil.

[Dwlee99]

Gotcha

[Dwlee99]

It would have been a lot easier to know you're evil if you didn't just make that post. Now it's complicated.

[Dwlee99]

Enchant if you weren't confirmed town I would swear you're evil.

[Dwlee99]

enchant has absolutely braindead takes but i'm not entirely sure that's necessarily ai. willing to exec this slot

Enchant is conftown y'know?

[Dwlee99]

Can we no eliminate forever or is there something in the rules saying we can't?

[Dwlee99]

What if we are all not voting? Lmao

[Dwlee99]

I think eliminating Marky has the best chance of hitting the cult leader here.

VOTE: Marky

[Dwlee99]

Process of elimination.

[Dwlee99]

so you could well be town here

Your role pm should tell you this.

[Dwlee99]

Raya what have you done to find the cult?

[Dwlee99]

I don't think I've seen you since I replaced in

[Dwlee99]

Major could you claim please?

[Dwlee99]

Yeah, that's fair. My activity died down a bit recently. I hate to bring up real life as a "defense" but I've been working 7 days a week and exhausted but still doing my best.

What do you think of my post on Major here: 460

It's fine. Idk, I don't know who is evil and maybe I'll just sheep you.

[Dwlee99]

I'm not interested in that really.

[Dwlee99]

Well we can't win without getting the cult leader so it actually does matter.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Major Minor
Pedit:

so you could well be town here

Your role pm should tell you this.

This is a straight-up discredit and you know it is too. I'm trying to sort you in good faith here.

It's a joke

[Dwlee99]

I just hammered so idk how much mileage that Raya vote gets you.

[Dwlee99]

I hammered cause I missed the lack of claim last night and Umlaut pointed it out.

[Dwlee99]

It's just anti-town to not claim regardless of if you're VT. If someone refuses to claim my desire to hammer them skyrockets.

[Dwlee99]

I'm offended I wasn't picked.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Marky

[Dwlee99]

Correct, random eliminating is indeed bad. So we should vote off scumreads. I didn't scumread major so now it's my turn to choose people to kill.

[Dwlee99]

Actually
VOTE: Osuka

[Dwlee99]

Correct, random eliminating is indeed bad. So we should vote off scumreads. I didn't scumread major so now it's my turn to choose people to kill.

Hammers Major.

"I didn't SR major"

I just like hammers more than ending in a plurality thing.

[Dwlee99]

That's more out of principle than scum read.

[Dwlee99]

I hammered cause I missed the lack of claim last night and Umlaut pointed it out.

It's just anti-town to not claim regardless of if you're VT. If someone refuses to claim my desire to hammer them skyrockets.

[Dwlee99]

What about that Osuka person

[Dwlee99]

I don't even know what I'm doing, Osuka. Reading for cults feels like a totally different game than reading for mafia.

[Dwlee99]

Marky are you on the dark side?

[Dwlee99]

That post seriously makes me want to vote Osuka more than anything Osuka himself has posted.

[Dwlee99]

Flea + Marky + Osuka scumteam Osuka cult leader solve SUBMIT

[Dwlee99]

Y'all both were like "yea Osuka might be bad but I'm not voting him" which is suspicious af. Also marky you could have been turned cult last night and enchant roleblocked.

[Dwlee99]

Okay but we could throw Osuka off a roof for not doing things.

[Dwlee99]

"Osuka is sus, doing absolutely nothing, and also terrible to yeet"

What is this? Were you culted? lol

[Dwlee99]

I'm happy locking down on Major Minor and Osuka team here. So you'll know if I'm culted.

*Ahem*

[Dwlee99]

How is that a miselim and not just scum coasting.

[Dwlee99]

Flea is open culting rn lol

[Dwlee99]

Mafiascum wiki: what is a chainsaw defense?

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE:
Okay I'm stupid I get it

[Dwlee99]

Feel bad for not noticing the crumbs but also bruh moment

[Dwlee99]

I genuinely could not make it more clear without claiming -.-; I was practically hitting you with the loaf dwlee -.-;

Either way, Osuka is tracker clear unless you think I'm culted and protecting CL.

Ya'll need to choose them or not, I'm still for dwlee/T3, honestly.

From my perspective you were just randomly voting me sooo

[Dwlee99]

I mean if cult leader no actioned then maybe it's still Osuka

[Dwlee99]

If cult leader!osuka caught the crumb I guess it would make more sense to recruit flea than to no target, but then what if enchant rolestopped flea? It is implausible but certainly possible

[Dwlee99]

If cult leader!osuka caught the crumb I guess it would make more sense to recruit flea than to no target, but then what if enchant rolestopped flea? It is implausible but certainly possible

It's not really possible, assuming that both claims are 'true' in the sense the players were assigned the roles they claim at the beginning of the game (but may have been culted last night) and that townies don't lie about their actions.

• If Enchant
  was
  culted, they may lie about their target but Flea is town and would tell us if they got a no-result last night. Instead Flea claims a "did not go anywhere" result.
  
• If Enchant
  wasn't
  culted, they're telling the truth and rolestopped Mark, not Osuka (I assume this is what you mean rather than "rolestopped Flea")

No, I was talking about cult leader!osuka's hypothetical thought process if he picked up on Flea saying fae were going to track him.

[Dwlee99]

I mean if cult leader no actioned then maybe it's still Osuka

if i were cl why the fuck would i no action?

If you thought you'd be tracked but this line of thought is probably too improbable

[Dwlee99]

I mean that is sure how it sounded at first but maybe not. Maybe Flea tracked you and you happened to recruit fae the same night. Maybe you're actually just town. Cult is hard to figure out.

[Dwlee99]

If cult leader!osuka caught the crumb I guess it would make more sense to recruit flea than to no target, but then what if enchant rolestopped flea? It is implausible but certainly possible

It's not really possible, assuming that both claims are 'true' in the sense the players were assigned the roles they claim at the beginning of the game (but may have been culted last night) and that townies don't lie about their actions.

• If Enchant
  was
  culted, they may lie about their target but Flea is town and would tell us if they got a no-result last night. Instead Flea claims a "did not go anywhere" result.
  
• If Enchant
  wasn't
  culted, they're telling the truth and rolestopped Mark, not Osuka (I assume this is what you mean rather than "rolestopped Flea")

My point was that if cult leader!osuka suspects that he will be tracked at night, the best play could be to target flea or to no action. If targets flea he risks enchant having picked fae.

[Dwlee99]

Wait I responded to an old post, one second

[Dwlee99]

Honestly I think it's about a 2000% chance that Enchant got culted anyway so any line of hypotheticals that starts with "if Flea got culted" is probably not worth thinking too hard about

Do you disagree, Dwlee?

I'm not sold on it but it seems likely yes

[Dwlee99]

Why are you trying to goad me into voting there?

[Dwlee99]

Oh I meant the part about enchant being chosen was likely, yea.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: t3
sure

[Dwlee99]

Now the question is whether that reaction was genuine or he faked this all with enchant.

[Dwlee99]

Not with flea.

[Dwlee99]

I really don't think that that spew clears t3 and that enchant wants it to so badly should raise red flags.

[Dwlee99]

Just checking in.

[Dwlee99]

Which slot being dead gives us the most info.

[Dwlee99]

Unless Raya is CL I'd hammer here as cult.

[Dwlee99]

FMPOV if Raya is evil then someone is bussing her so I don't think she flips cult leader.

[Dwlee99]

Yes voting with almost guaranteed cult member Enchant is sure to work.

[Dwlee99]

If this flips cl dwlee is basically confirmed mafia.

If this flips cult leader there is a cultist bussing here which is much more interesting.

[Dwlee99]

i am somehow voting with cult

Thonk

[Dwlee99]

I still think osuka might be the leader.

[Dwlee99]

If we assume enchant is telling the truth about not being culted, which okay big ask but whatever, then the fact that osuka wasn't hammered and raya and t3 suggests a possible 2 person team. Pair that with Osuka's cheeky "If I no actioned it was on purpose" it seems sus.

[Dwlee99]

Er Ig Osuka never hit E-1 so idk how relevant that is anymore.

[Dwlee99]

Probably just T3 then.

[Dwlee99]

Unless your solve is Dwlee/Raya with Raya cult leader your theory doesn't make sense. If I was cultist I'd hammer literally anyone but the cult leader here

[Dwlee99]

I had to practically hit you with the loaf about my target

In hindsight "y'know Osuka is really scummy but we should just ignore him" is a clear crumb but I was not thinking that way at all

[Dwlee99]

Osuka was never even close to the block. Also does "if I no actioned it was on purpose" seem AI to you?

It isn't inherently but the way he did it rubbed me wrong idk

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee is always town - first rule of playing with me.

[Dwlee99]

Well I don't think Flea got recruited and I'm not evil so something doesn't add up about CL!Raya

[Dwlee99]

Now is the part where you have to explain why "silly string approach" is scum-indicative.

[Dwlee99]

Silly String approach is looking to see what fits and where, you've made a lot of low-effort moves but only really seem keen when there's momentum building. Its active oppotunism.

Depends how hard you push this enchant. Sounds like I've worn you down though

I was/am trying to see what fits and where because I replaced in and didn't have a good basis in the game. The things you call low-effort or opportunism are just me trying to sort people

[Dwlee99]

And "only seem keen when there's momentum building" is total BS because I
1.) started a push on Umlaut when I replaced in and
2.) was pushing you when I thought you were being scummy

[Dwlee99]

How does pushing something that dissolved or I changed my mind on make me evil?

[Dwlee99]

What do you mean when you say "sticks?"

[Dwlee99]

What do you mean when you say "sticks?"

[Dwlee99]

FMPOV it's only Raya if Umlaut is cult.

[Dwlee99]

Also Marky couldn't have been culted unless Enchant also was which is impossible cause Enchant claimed to rolestop marky.

[Dwlee99]

Are you trying to fake a town slip there? Maaaan

[Dwlee99]

Okay well that's helpful. Here's why it matters: when I say I'm trying to see what sticks in the game I'm thinking of what makes sense. What reads can fit together to figure out who the team is. I have done a lot of reaction testy things to help me with solving, and in that sense I'm seeing what "sticks." For you, though, you mean I'm just saying random BS to see what miselims people are willing to cling onto if I say it. I'm not doing the latter at all.

[Dwlee99]

What makes you clear marky?

[Dwlee99]

I thought he was suspicious yesterday.

[Dwlee99]

T3 how would you describe your scum game vs town game?

[Dwlee99]

I'm making an exception to the "very little meta" rule I've made for myself because you're unreadable.

[Dwlee99]

T3 can you make a cult team that makes sense for town!me to believe where you aren't cult.

[Dwlee99]

I think a world where Enchant wasn't culted is possible, and the rolestop could explain why we seem to have competing wagons without hammer. Enchant could have hammered you and was also on the Raya wagon. I kind of want to go complete gut here and just go onto Raya but I'm not sure if I'm being tricked

[Dwlee99]

Something something recency bias with my reads

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE:

[Dwlee99]

Flea I think you're confbiasing on me

[Dwlee99]

He can't be recruited because Enchant rolestopped him. Either he started cult or he isn't.

[Dwlee99]

Flea I think you're confbiasing on me

It's you or Umlaut, imo.

So far, you're here making noise doing little. Umlaut is someone I could switch two. I feel its in you two.

I feel like you just don't get my playstyle. I was doing things by talking to T3

[Dwlee99]

Why is Raya not CL flea?

[Dwlee99]

Flea has the crumbs but maybe that was planned?

[Dwlee99]

Idk I think we can't go too down rabbit holes like that because it is too improbable and at that point we kinda just lose anyway.

[Dwlee99]

I'm not eliminating flea today or tomorrow.

[Dwlee99]

Enchant did not hammer T3. It might be smart of cult to not recruit enchant, because then if we don't hit cult leader today it's practically a free miselim for them.

[Dwlee99]

I need to reready raya but honestly I think cult raya either sits in plain view or lets me forget she's in the game.

What are the other things cult!raya could do?

[Dwlee99]

Not it

[Dwlee99]

I think if Raya is cult you're overestimating the probability she isn't CL.

[Dwlee99]

To clarify though: if it is guaranteed cultist vs random elim, in this game state a random elim is better.

[Dwlee99]

Why does town!me imply not cult leader Raya?

[Dwlee99]

There is the theory that the recruit failed and it is just Raya and Umlaut. There also could be the reverse psychology from Enchant possibly bussing. I'm also thinking that a "no-bus" strategy towards the cult leader when the cult leader is being voted could be bad. For instance: if cult do decide to bus, even a little, then someone can make the argument that the cult leader isn't cult because of wagon composition (kinda like you're doing rn).

[Dwlee99]

Bruh moment

[Dwlee99]

Flea's case is so bad that fae can't even defend it, why are you sheeping that?

[Dwlee99]

I responded to everything and you just said 1.) Poe or 2.) "I'm not teaching you mafia"

[Dwlee99]

Silly String approach is looking to see what fits and where, you've made a lot of low-effort moves but only really seem keen when there's momentum building. Its active oppotunism.

Depends how hard you push this enchant. Sounds like I've worn you down though

I was/am trying to see what fits and where because I replaced in and didn't have a good basis in the game. The things you call low-effort or opportunism are just me trying to sort people

And "only seem keen when there's momentum building" is total BS because I
1.) started a push on Umlaut when I replaced in and
2.) was pushing you when I thought you were being scummy

How does pushing something that dissolved or I changed my mind on make me evil?

What do you mean when you say "sticks?"

Okay well that's helpful. Here's why it matters: when I say I'm trying to see what sticks in the game I'm thinking of what makes sense. What reads can fit together to figure out who the team is. I have done a lot of reaction testy things to help me with solving, and in that sense I'm seeing what "sticks." For you, though, you mean I'm just saying random BS to see what miselims people are willing to cling onto if I say it. I'm not doing the latter at all.

[Dwlee99]

Being town doesn't mean being right in an accusation homie

[Dwlee99]

Sweet so because I don't want to educate you on the meaning of "Sticks" and keep answering your frankly inane and distracting questions my case is massively dismantled.

Aw phooey.

That you can't even be arsed to see why the meaning of sticks matters there (cause you can't even read my post apparently) is extremely frustrating

[Dwlee99]

Okay well that's helpful. Here's why it matters: when I say I'm trying to see what sticks in the game I'm thinking of what makes sense. What reads can fit together to figure out who the team is. I have done a lot of reaction testy things to help me with solving, and in that sense I'm seeing what "sticks." For you, though, you mean I'm just saying random BS to see what miselims people are willing to cling onto if I say it. I'm not doing the latter at all.

I'll quote it again

[Dwlee99]

I'm good with raya or t3 tbh

[Dwlee99]

Dwlee - Seems to be trying to argue for arguments sake. Reactions to me seem off. potential CL

[Dwlee99]

If cult leader!osuka caught the crumb I guess it would make more sense to recruit flea than to no target, but then what if enchant rolestopped flea? It is implausible but certainly possible

I mean that is sure how it sounded at first but maybe not. Maybe Flea tracked you and you happened to recruit fae the same night. Maybe you're actually just town. Cult is hard to figure out.

Plagiarism

[Dwlee99]

I mean Flea is acting scummy so eliminating faem could be a high-info elimination

[Dwlee99]

Ultra tinfoil though

[Dwlee99]

Problem is like even cult!flea could just be true claiming a result

[Dwlee99]

When you say "if t3 blabla" then "blabla" do you mean CL, cultist, or both?

Pedit: if you're town stop being so scummy lmao

[Dwlee99]

I'm confused how that works out to me or marky being cult.

[Dwlee99]

Maybe one of your assumptions is wrong? And then you're looking for 2 cult if you think cl used action

[Dwlee99]

I don't really know which of my assumptions is wrong and playing a cult game is so much WIFOM idk what to do with it.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Osuka
Play > mech?

[Dwlee99]

Part of my thoughts here is that osuka isn't even trying to do anything and it makes me feel like he might be trying to make us forget about him and not eliminate him based on the tracker claim

[Dwlee99]

Do you think cult!flea avoids the wagons because they are both town or because one is CL?

[Dwlee99]

2.7.2
T3 (2) - raya, umlaut -> t3 dies at deadline by pluarlity
Raya (1) - t3
Dwlee (1) - flea

Name not listed = not voting
(expired on 2021-06-30 14:25:00)

Reminder on how much time we have left

[Dwlee99]

That's some cool formatting how did you do it?

[Dwlee99]

Flea it's just funny how you are so tunneled on me you don't even see that 1. Marky brought up the WIFOM and 2. Umlaut also voted Osuka

[Dwlee99]

You still could've been right the second time

[Dwlee99]

Play > Mech?

[Dwlee99]

It isn't screwing themselves if they get "cleared" and play indicates that Osuka is a baddie.

[Dwlee99]

You like actually think I'm evil huh

[Dwlee99]

Osuka has 21 posts day 2, and less posts than the mod in total and on day 2. He is literally zero-efforting right now I think trying to coast on the mech thing.

[Dwlee99]

And I'm also not trying to say my read is infallible here btw, I'm overall kind of frustrated at this game and that the slot that "should" be mech cleared not trying to lead us in a direction bothers me a lot

[Dwlee99]

Did Raya just cult claim f me

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE:
In case that wasn't hammer

[Dwlee99]

Given the hammer I'm gonna guess we should have thrown raya off instead (kind of feel bad cause I was leaning that way between t3/raya) but also it'd be really funny if Osuka flips CL here still

[Dwlee99]

Probably?

[Dwlee99]

Idk it seems like bad practice to hammer as cult leader cause it paints a target on you but also it's the WIFOM

[Dwlee99]

Rolecop has no reason to target unless it is compulsive and I missed it

[Dwlee99]

If this flips town my solve is raya/enchant/marky or umlaut

[Dwlee99]

Enchant tell us what it'll flip I'll believe you

[Dwlee99]

Rip Osuka. He will be missed

[Dwlee99]

If this flips town my solve is raya/enchant/marky or umlaut

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Osuka is making sense to me ATM. I'm willing to admit I might have confbiased myself into Raya earlier today. but Flea's recent posting is ++cult

--pedit IIRC deadline is late evening for me (UTC+1)

Aye, i agree.

VOTE: Osuka

VOTE: Osuka

[Dwlee99]

Please unvote thanks

[Dwlee99]

Okay so question is which three is the cult leader? Thoughts?

[Dwlee99]

Raya or Marky imo and I'll be malding if it's marky cause I wanted that day one (my reads jumped around a lot but I did towards the end iirc)

[Dwlee99]

Flea the entire cult claimed to us with those three votes.

[Dwlee99]

Also note how he cherrypicks the Osuka votes that fit his solve in his post and ignores Umlaut's

Y'all voted and hammered within four hours. I'm sure you saw Enchant E-1 it and then you just... Didn't care.

[Dwlee99]

I only was on the D1 wagon at the last like 6 hours of deadline homie

[Dwlee99]

Enchant's post was literally a minute after yours what are you on about

[Dwlee99]

My point was that you saw Osuka put to E-1 by Enchant and you could have unvoted to prevent a quickhammer. I also think Raya has CL-equity so I don't want to tunnel you here. I want to at least base agree that Enchant/Raya are 2 of the three cult.

[Dwlee99]

Raya or Marky imo with off-chance Umlaut. If it is T3 we are screwed basically.

[Dwlee99]

Raya cult claimed though and enchant is enchant so no CL-equity. I'm realizing now that there are only five people it could be and I named the four that aren't me but I feel like it isn't T3 because of the weirdness of that wagon. Also it feels weird if the wagons yesterday were CL and a rolecop but maybe it's possible. What do you think of t3?

[Dwlee99]

I want to know what convinces you of town!marky

Umlaut was with me voting on T3 instead of Raya. If Raya is CL then he could be a non-CL cultist. I don't really have anything super weird about him. I liked his reaction to my push on him day one and I've kind of mentally filed it there. I think this is unlikely which is why I'm thinking the team is more likely to have marky than umlaut.

T3 is the counterwagon to Raya there yesterday who is now confirmed cult. I think his appeals to me to vote Raya were good which is why I unvoted yesterday T3 yesterday and was considering hopping on Raya but then got caught up in the Osuka WIFOM. So t3 seemed townie yesterday and so I don't think he is part of the team.

Already said why I don't think Umlaut is part of it.

I don't think you were recruited the first night and couldn't have been second night so I don't think you're part of it.

That leaves three people which is Marky/Raya/Enchant as the team by process of elimination.

[Dwlee99]

Oops sorry about the pronouns.

[Dwlee99]

Marky has been active and encouranging conversation, looks to me like he's been keeping the game from going stagnant.

To me it feels like the active and encouraging are kind of shallow which is why I scumread him day one.

[Dwlee99]

Why is Dwlee!town raya!CL out of the picture?

[Dwlee99]

Raya I'm not letting you act like a contentless hammer as soon as Osuka got to E-1 is anything but a scum claim

[Dwlee99]

I'm getting reasonably confident that Dwlee is scum here as his position on me went from "meh" d2 to "this slot is definitely scum" today based on a town wagon that we were both on

It's about the quickhammer. Literally overnight for me it looked so bad. The other part of it is just PoE. I'm just assuming T3 town for now and one of flea/enchant recruited gives me that raya/umlaut/you is cult leader here, and I townread umlaut based on day one play.

[Dwlee99]

I don't see how that follows?

[Dwlee99]

Raya exists in a space where I could see Marky being the cult leader and her being role cop. Please unvote because I want to talk about this

[Dwlee99]

Umlaut, think about yesterday's wagons. If you're town, who were the people not on the Raya wagon? It was you, me, Raya, and flea not on it. Marky and Enchant were both voting Raya there, meaning that it could have been a rolecop bus. The one thing indicating to me that maybe she is cult leader is that she didn't self-hammer.

[Dwlee99]

I think we should check if she was around with an opportunity to self-hammer though. I don't remember

[Dwlee99]

Spoiler: vote counts

work vc 2.4 - even though i'm on my laptop:

raya (4, e-1) - mark, enchant, t3, osuka

T3 (2) - raya, dwlee

not voting - anyone not listed, but especially umlaut and flea since they both uv'd since the vc before last

deadline: june 30th @ 14:25 edt, (so about nine days from now, as of writing this)
majority is five since eight are alive

im not v/la currently, but i am at work

mobile vc 2.5

raya (4, e-1) - mark, enchant, t3, osuka

T3 (3, e-2) - raya, dwlee, umlaut

not voting - just flea

deadline: (expired on 2021-06-30 14:25:00)

majority is five since eight are alive

im not v/la currently, but i am on my couch-bed
I will make vcs look nice later. Please bear with the mobile ones for now

2.6
Raya (4) - mark, enchant, t3, osuka
T3 (3) - raya, dwlee, umlaut
Dwlee (1) - flea

(expired on 2021-06-30 14:25:00)

[Dwlee99]

She definitely had the opportunity to self-hammer and didn't. I need to reconcile my thoughts on my PoE and their interactions.

[Dwlee99]

I just want to make sure we aren't picking wrong between Marky and her.

[Dwlee99]

Marky you're going to have to convince me that t3 or umlaut is evil if you want me to think you're town.

[Dwlee99]

Well, if it's wrong we'll know soon enough! I don't see any realistic path to becoming more sure, particularly since Raya has no motive to even appear to coöperate with any investigation efforts today.

Non-CL!raya has motivation to appear like cult leader.

[Dwlee99]

Maybe she is hoping we WIFOM into not killing her.

[Dwlee99]

Luckily if we hit CL we get miselims because cult doesn't have a kill.

[Dwlee99]

Flea do you really think I'm the CL even if you think I'm cult?

[Dwlee99]

Oh now that dogs v cats is over I can ask what is similar to there that makes you think I'm evil. I don't do meta normally but you mentioned having seen me as scum before.

[Dwlee99]

Oh god has it begun

[Dwlee99]

X to doubt

[Dwlee99]

If no quickhammer comes through it would imply raya is CL or t3 and umlaut are evil.

[Dwlee99]

Lol it was marky wasn't it

[Dwlee99]

I think eliminating Marky has the best chance of hitting the cult leader here.

VOTE: Marky