Yggdrasil - Stratum FINAL -

[WhemeStar]

WAIT..

White fire would know it’s a fake guilty if he’s scum….

If he came ijt strong like that to get townread that’s 200 iq

[Dwlee99]

Hates a strong word.

His last 3 posts blow

you're dense

[Dwlee99]

Someone give me more than Murdercat being wrong on LLD to scumread him on. I think his recent posts are fine and don't ping me like some people are saying they should.

[Bell]

Someone give me more than Murdercat being wrong on LLD to scumread him on. I think his recent posts are fine and don't ping me like some people are saying they should.

He was also wrong on bingle And is wrong on me.
Paragon of mafia hunters.

[Dwlee99]

So it's a burden of proficiency case? As someone who doesn't feel proficient themself, I'm skeptical of such an argument

[WhemeStar]

Hates a strong word.

His last 3 posts blow

you're dense

I know I am sorry

[Bell]

So it's a burden of proficiency case? As someone who doesn't feel proficient themself, I'm skeptical of such an argument

Nah, I’m being tongue in cheek because you reduced the arguments against him to one aspect. So I decided to narrow the focus similarly in jest.

He never expanded his view outside of the anya wagon, he doubled down when pressured. His interactions with me feel like he’s desperately trying to believe his own opinions even though his heart isn’t in it. He stalled and has had limited flexibility throughout the game day. I don’t agree even a little with cabd’s opinion that murderkitty would notice let alone adopt a different approach based on how Anya faired.

[Dwlee99]

So it's a burden of proficiency case? As someone who doesn't feel proficient themself, I'm skeptical of such an argument

Nah, I’m being tongue in cheek because you reduced the arguments against him to one aspect. So I decided to narrow the focus similarly in jest.

He never expanded his view outside of the anya wagon, he doubled down when pressured. His interactions with me feel like he’s desperately trying to believe his own opinions even though his heart isn’t in it. He stalled and has had limited flexibility throughout the game day. I don’t agree even a little with cabd’s opinion that murderkitty would notice let alone adopt a different approach based on how Anya faired.

I only did that because that's what I remember LLD saying to me when I asked.

I'll read his ISO and see what I come up with related to what you've said.

[Bell]

I respect whatever your opinion is but I don’t really care Rn and am done with this day phase.
I think your reaction off the cuff reaction to wheme was a little townie.

I think it’s curious that you were like, well, let’s just end the day with ndmath but now you want to slam on the breaks here.
Explain?

[borkjerfkin]

Mod Event

Votecount 2.6

Adventurers

:

MURDERCAT [8]: NDMath, WhemeStar, Ircher, Bell, Lady Lambdadelta, Dunnstral, Chara, Farkran
NDMath [4]: Titus, MURDERCAT, Artemiana, Bingle
Ircher [3]: Sigmund, Thestatusquo, Dwlee99
Dunnstral [1]: White Fire
notscience [1]: notscience
Something_Smart [1]: morph the cat

Not voting [2]: Something_Smart, Flea the Magician

With 20 alive it takes 11 to eliminate. Stratum 2 ends in (expired on 2021-06-14 22:25:25).

[Bell]

pagetop? more like page-waiting-for-sausage-to-defrost-i'll do-a-vc-anyway

Dad jokes should be a bannable offense

[Dwlee99]

I think it’s curious that you were like, well, let’s just end the day with ndmath but now you want to slam on the breaks here.
Explain?

Ndmath contributed basically nothing to the game it seems. I think I have more posts than him and I literally just replaced in. The watcher claim complicates things and I guess it could be a scum role that saw Sigmund visit LLD but I'm not sure and I don't want to yeet a town!watcher right now.

I loosely believe the points I made about Ircher with the possible associatives with Anya. Like, they exist, sure, but I don't feel confident that it pins Ircher as evil and it could just be an unfortunate choice of who Ircher focused on interacting with on day 1 in a large and the sudden read + vote on scum!anya could plausibly come from town or bussing scum so I'm not really sold on it.

I kind of want to go and read some context for it cause it seems like Ircher had just been vote parked on Anya for a while because vote counts suggest he was first on the wagon when I thought LLD was the one who really pushed it through. To summarize what I said earlier for some context: Ircher had posted a scum read of Anya, next post voted, and then (next?) post mentioned Anya again and then I don't think ever again before day end (based on ctrl+f). It seemed weird to me if Ircher was sitting on Anya as a vanity wagon that he would not push it as town, or even mention it when LLD came around to push it harder. But again, I don't really have the context of the posts so I'm not sure if I have an accurate picture of events when I'm making this judgement of it. That's why I feel okay? voting Ircher here but again, I'm not super sold on it.

I have to read what I said I would (Murdercat's ISO) still so I can't give you anything from that yet. Murdercat didn't mention Anya at all in his ISO besides to respond to a weird comment asking for "presents" from Anya. I don't think it's really associative-indicative and the lack of other mentions could point to anya/cat buddies but as is the case with Ircher I feel like it could just be what slots a player chooses to interact with on D1. The posting I've seen from Murdercat since I've joined the game seems fine. The post that had posting numbers didn't ping me like it seemed to have pinged other people (4647) so I don't know what to make of that. The one especially weird thing about Murdercat is his complete refusal to claim. I don't understand why town or scum pulls that card. Maybe I could see scum!murdercat figuring that due to the complexity of the game making a convincing fake claim would be hard? That seems to be the most scum-indicative thing I can think of with him at the moment but no one else really made that point so I'm not sure if it's strong or if I'm off-base there.

In summary: I moved my vote around to the three wagons and I just feel lukewarm about them.

[Dwlee99]

I started the ISO and at least at the beginning of the game I actually find myself townreading MC. He raises a good point that scum him probably doesn't get confrontational with LLD like that.

[Dwlee99]

Another thing I just thought about is I feel like scum!murdercat would rather push Ircher here than be eliminated if Ircher is town, which makes me think scum!cat implies scum!ircher.

[Bell]

We’ve been over murderkitty’s flummoxing attempt at reading the game. It doesn’t make sense for him as scum with only one goal survival to have his positions. But from the position of a town player it’s actually worse because it is essentially purely beneficial for the scum team for him to have those reads.

I’ve seen scum make the attempt to just say no just kill me as a game of chicken/attempting to appear as if their goal is not survival as a gambit. I don’t think that would be outside of murderkitty’s approach here given his insistence on faking a perspective of conviction in his posts.

[Dwlee99]

If he is town and believes them he would not agree that

it's essentially purely beneficial for the scum team for him to have those reads

I also don't think he's really going "no just kill me." He seemed resigned in one of his recent posts but it didn't seem like a "kill me" but like a "I can't stop you from killing me."

[Dwlee99]

What do you think about what I said wrt Ircher?

[Bell]

That you have a weak grip on the game and are going largely with instinct.

[Bell]

If he is town and believes them he would not agree that

it's essentially purely beneficial for the scum team for him to have those reads

I also don't think he's really going "no just kill me." He seemed resigned in one of his recent posts but it didn't seem like a "kill me" but like a "I can't stop you from killing me."

He wouldn’t agree with it as scum either.

It looked like pure AtE to me.

[Dwlee99]

That you have a weak grip on the game and are going largely with instinct.

This is probably fair.

If he is town and believes them he would not agree that

it's essentially purely beneficial for the scum team for him to have those reads

I also don't think he's really going "no just kill me." He seemed resigned in one of his recent posts but it didn't seem like a "kill me" but like a "I can't stop you from killing me."

He wouldn’t agree with it as scum either.

It looked like pure AtE to me.

Town AtE too, which doesn't really refute my refutation of your point. You said MC had said "kill me" which you find scummy. He wasn't doing that, and I don't agree that the sentiment "I'm going to die" is scummy.

[notscience]

Morph, Sangres vote agreement re MCat? I think it was sangres

[notscience]

Another thing I just thought about is I feel like scum!murdercat would rather push Ircher here than be eliminated if Ircher is town, which makes me think scum!cat implies scum!ircher.

Look at the first six votes if there’s a bus it HAS to be him lmao

[Bell]

I don’t actually find his kill me scummy. I just don’t find it townie.

[Dwlee99]

Another thing I just thought about is I feel like scum!murdercat would rather push Ircher here than be eliminated if Ircher is town, which makes me think scum!cat implies scum!ircher.

Look at the first six votes if there’s a bus it HAS to be him lmao

Can you rephrase this? I don't get what you're saying.

[Dwlee99]

I don’t actually find his kill me scummy. I just don’t find it townie.

I don't either. What is this disagreement there? I don't think I said or implied I did but you brought it up.