Townstumps Mafia (Endgame)

[House]

VOTE: Titus

Kinda want to try something completely different

This is because you know NK15 is town.

I don’t think this fake.

I don't think it would be fake for her to soft defend her buddy, either.

Subtle deflection makes more sense coming from scum than town.

[Moongrass]

Final list:
{DrippingGoofball}
{jjh927, cyrus62, mastina}
{Titus, House}
{Mia and Maya Fey, Not_Mafia}
{Gamma Emerald, Free Money Free Tea}

[House]

VOTE: Titus

Kinda want to try something completely different

This is because you know NK15 is town.

I don’t think this fake.

If she really thought NK was town, what did she actually do to try and derail the wagon?

[Mia and Maya Fey]

VOTE: Titus

Kinda want to try something completely different

This is because you know NK15 is town.

I don’t think this fake.

I don't think it would be fake for her to soft defend her buddy, either.

Subtle deflection makes more sense coming from scum than town.

In Death Curse she referred to her buddy dgb as “lockscum”. That’s why dgb’s agreeing with me.

[House]

I stand by the fact you and mastina having zero paranoia of each other and immediately lock towning each other is off.

So Titus, what's your take on how I was hard defending the Feys on d1, and why didn't you mention that on d1?

[Mia and Maya Fey]

I agree that Titus is town.

DGB was Titus’ scumbuddy in DC.

I think it’s far more likely scum bussed but whether it was an early or late bus is hard to say because of the claim.

[House]

VOTE: Titus

Kinda want to try something completely different

This is because you know NK15 is town.

I don’t think this fake.

I don't think it would be fake for her to soft defend her buddy, either.

Subtle deflection makes more sense coming from scum than town.

In Death Curse she referred to her buddy dgb as “lockscum”. That’s why dgb’s agreeing with me.

So she was scum ON the wagon in that game.

It's quite possible that she is scum OFF the wagon in this one.

Why would you pigeonhole her play like that?

[Mia and Maya Fey]

VOTE: Titus

Kinda want to try something completely different

This is because you know NK15 is town.

I don’t think this fake.

I don't think it would be fake for her to soft defend her buddy, either.

Subtle deflection makes more sense coming from scum than town.

In Death Curse she referred to her buddy dgb as “lockscum”. That’s why dgb’s agreeing with me.

So she was scum ON the wagon in that game.

It's quite possible that she is scum OFF the wagon in this one.

Why would you pigeonhole her play like that?

It’s possible I’m wrong but I’ve played numerous games with Titus and seen her play as both alignments and this isn’t how she normally treats a buddy. It isn’t just one game either. She hardpushed her buddy Auro in Boon uPick.

[House]

VOTE: Titus

Kinda want to try something completely different

This is because you know NK15 is town.

I don’t think this fake.

I don't think it would be fake for her to soft defend her buddy, either.

Subtle deflection makes more sense coming from scum than town.

In Death Curse she referred to her buddy dgb as “lockscum”. That’s why dgb’s agreeing with me.

So she was scum ON the wagon in that game.

It's quite possible that she is scum OFF the wagon in this one.

Why would you pigeonhole her play like that?

It’s possible I’m wrong but I’ve played numerous games with Titus and seen her play as both alignments and this isn’t how she normally treats a buddy. It isn’t just one game either. She hardpushed her buddy Auro in Boon uPick.

Yeah I guess, and there's plenty of town cred to be farmed on a d1 scum flip.

[Mia and Maya Fey]

Maybe not FMFT actually

Might be a scum in my townreads

But Titus is very likely to be scum here. I think her stance on NK15 has been that she doesn't want to bus but she will if it reaches that point

could we focus on nk15 as a flip there would add fire to who i think is scum..

UNVOTE:

...

Interesting.

i dont want a hammer till we know for sure. nm wants it bad that pings me

Nm would hammer his mother.

Also, I don't think we should do this. Hammering a commuter claim is garbage. We can just tell NK15 to not commute so we can investigate him. If he complies, we have an unkillable town slot. If he claims compulsive or refuses, then yeet his ass.

It isn’t scummy to think there could possibly be an invest in this game and that’s consistent with her thinking you had a real guilty on cyrus.

[House]

Maybe not FMFT actually

Might be a scum in my townreads

But Titus is very likely to be scum here. I think her stance on NK15 has been that she doesn't want to bus but she will if it reaches that point

could we focus on nk15 as a flip there would add fire to who i think is scum..

UNVOTE:

...

Interesting.

i dont want a hammer till we know for sure. nm wants it bad that pings me

Nm would hammer his mother.

Also, I don't think we should do this. Hammering a commuter claim is garbage. We can just tell NK15 to not commute so we can investigate him. If he complies, we have an unkillable town slot. If he claims compulsive or refuses, then yeet his ass.

It isn’t scummy to think there could possibly be an invest in this game and that’s consistent with her thinking you had a real guilty on cyrus.

That doesn't read to me like "possibly".

[Mia and Maya Fey]

Vote Count 1.FINAL

Not Known 15 (7):

mastina, Free Money Free Tea, Mia and Maya Fey, DrippingGoofball, nomnomnom, Not_Mafia, Moongrass,

Moongrass (1):

Gamma Emerald,

Free Money Free Tea (1):

Titus,

Mia and Maya Fey (1):

Not Known 15,

Titus (1):

jjh927,

nomnomnom (0):

jjh927 (0):

House (0):

cyrus62 (0):

mastina (0):

Not_Mafia (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

DrippingGoofball (0):

No Euphemization (0):

Not Voting (2):

House, cyrus62,

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to euphemize and

7

to have no euphemization.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-06-17 17:00:00). At Deadline, currently No Euphemization will occur.

A Hammer has been achieved!

Not Known 15 has been made into a Euphemism Day 1.

He was:

Spoiler:

Mafia Informed Commuter Enabler

Informed Commuter Enabler

You are aware that [Redacted]. If you die, any commuters will be unable to commute.

Since this is the final wagon and the only one that really counts, I think it’s more likely than not that at least one scum is on wagon. If NK had claimed commuter enabler instead of just commuter, then I’d definitely say scum was late on the wagon but because he claimed commuter, scum either could have possibly set it up early or they panicked when it failed.

[House]

Vote Count 1.FINAL

Not Known 15 (7):

mastina, Free Money Free Tea, Mia and Maya Fey, DrippingGoofball, nomnomnom, Not_Mafia, Moongrass,

Moongrass (1):

Gamma Emerald,

Free Money Free Tea (1):

Titus,

Mia and Maya Fey (1):

Not Known 15,

Titus (1):

jjh927,

nomnomnom (0):

jjh927 (0):

House (0):

cyrus62 (0):

mastina (0):

Not_Mafia (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

DrippingGoofball (0):

No Euphemization (0):

Not Voting (2):

House, cyrus62,

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to euphemize and

7

to have no euphemization.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-06-17 17:00:00). At Deadline, currently No Euphemization will occur.

A Hammer has been achieved!

Not Known 15 has been made into a Euphemism Day 1.

He was:

Spoiler:

Mafia Informed Commuter Enabler

Informed Commuter Enabler

You are aware that [Redacted]. If you die, any commuters will be unable to commute.

Since this is the final wagon and the only one that really counts, I think it’s more likely than not that at least one scum is on wagon. If NK had claimed commuter enabler instead of just commuter, then I’d definitely say scum was late on the wagon but because he claimed commuter, scum either could have possibly set it up early or they panicked when it failed.

Disagree. I think every VC after the elimination moratorium was lifted has value.

[Mia and Maya Fey]

Maybe not FMFT actually

Might be a scum in my townreads

But Titus is very likely to be scum here. I think her stance on NK15 has been that she doesn't want to bus but she will if it reaches that point

could we focus on nk15 as a flip there would add fire to who i think is scum..

UNVOTE:

...

Interesting.

i dont want a hammer till we know for sure. nm wants it bad that pings me

Nm would hammer his mother.

Also, I don't think we should do this. Hammering a commuter claim is garbage. We can just tell NK15 to not commute so we can investigate him. If he complies, we have an unkillable town slot. If he claims compulsive or refuses, then yeet his ass.

It isn’t scummy to think there could possibly be an invest in this game and that’s consistent with her thinking you had a real guilty on cyrus.

That doesn't read to me like "possibly".

Is it not possible that she genuinely believed the claim? Like I said, I could obviously be wrong about this but both this post and her saying jjh “knows” NK15 is town seem really weird to me if she did that as scum. It’s obviously possible it’s just wifom but it sounded sincere to me.

[Free Money Free Tea]

I pretty clearly didn't pull the reason for voting nk out of my ass.

[House]

Maybe not FMFT actually

Might be a scum in my townreads

But Titus is very likely to be scum here. I think her stance on NK15 has been that she doesn't want to bus but she will if it reaches that point

could we focus on nk15 as a flip there would add fire to who i think is scum..

UNVOTE:

...

Interesting.

i dont want a hammer till we know for sure. nm wants it bad that pings me

Nm would hammer his mother.

Also, I don't think we should do this. Hammering a commuter claim is garbage. We can just tell NK15 to not commute so we can investigate him. If he complies, we have an unkillable town slot. If he claims compulsive or refuses, then yeet his ass.

It isn’t scummy to think there could possibly be an invest in this game and that’s consistent with her thinking you had a real guilty on cyrus.

That doesn't read to me like "possibly".

Is it not possible that she genuinely believed the claim? Like I said, I could obviously be wrong about this but both this post and her saying jjh “knows” NK15 is town seem really weird to me if she did that as scum. It’s obviously possible it’s just wifom but it sounded sincere to me.

Now you're moving the goal posts.

Whether she believed the commuter claim or not has nothing to do with the fact she spoke about an investigative role as if it is a certainty.

[Mia and Maya Fey]

Vote Count 1.FINAL

Not Known 15 (7):

mastina, Free Money Free Tea, Mia and Maya Fey, DrippingGoofball, nomnomnom, Not_Mafia, Moongrass,

Moongrass (1):

Gamma Emerald,

Free Money Free Tea (1):

Titus,

Mia and Maya Fey (1):

Not Known 15,

Titus (1):

jjh927,

nomnomnom (0):

jjh927 (0):

House (0):

cyrus62 (0):

mastina (0):

Not_Mafia (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

DrippingGoofball (0):

No Euphemization (0):

Not Voting (2):

House, cyrus62,

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to euphemize and

7

to have no euphemization.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-06-17 17:00:00). At Deadline, currently No Euphemization will occur.

A Hammer has been achieved!

Not Known 15 has been made into a Euphemism Day 1.

He was:

Spoiler:

Mafia Informed Commuter Enabler

Informed Commuter Enabler

You are aware that [Redacted]. If you die, any commuters will be unable to commute.

Since this is the final wagon and the only one that really counts, I think it’s more likely than not that at least one scum is on wagon. If NK had claimed commuter enabler instead of just commuter, then I’d definitely say scum was late on the wagon but because he claimed commuter, scum either could have possibly set it up early or they panicked when it failed.

Disagree. I think every VC after the elimination moratorium was lifted has value.

Sure but in a recent game I was in, scum bussed their buddy at E-1 and we wound up miseliming the player who wrongly defended them. I hard opposed the wagon on scum!Dannflor in FL v Hectic and I got wrongly pushed for that.

[Mia and Maya Fey]

Maybe not FMFT actually

Might be a scum in my townreads

But Titus is very likely to be scum here. I think her stance on NK15 has been that she doesn't want to bus but she will if it reaches that point

could we focus on nk15 as a flip there would add fire to who i think is scum..

UNVOTE:

...

Interesting.

i dont want a hammer till we know for sure. nm wants it bad that pings me

Nm would hammer his mother.

Also, I don't think we should do this. Hammering a commuter claim is garbage. We can just tell NK15 to not commute so we can investigate him. If he complies, we have an unkillable town slot. If he claims compulsive or refuses, then yeet his ass.

It isn’t scummy to think there could possibly be an invest in this game and that’s consistent with her thinking you had a real guilty on cyrus.

That doesn't read to me like "possibly".

Is it not possible that she genuinely believed the claim? Like I said, I could obviously be wrong about this but both this post and her saying jjh “knows” NK15 is town seem really weird to me if she did that as scum. It’s obviously possible it’s just wifom but it sounded sincere to me.

Now you're moving the goal posts.

Whether she believed the commuter claim or not has nothing to do with the fact she spoke about an investigative role as if it is a certainty.

But if she did actually believe it, then she obviously can’t be informed right?

[mastina]

I pretty clearly didn't pull the reason for voting nk out of my ass.

Agreed; you pulled it out of the scum PT.

[House]

Maybe not FMFT actually

Might be a scum in my townreads

But Titus is very likely to be scum here. I think her stance on NK15 has been that she doesn't want to bus but she will if it reaches that point

could we focus on nk15 as a flip there would add fire to who i think is scum..

UNVOTE:

...

Interesting.

i dont want a hammer till we know for sure. nm wants it bad that pings me

Nm would hammer his mother.

Also, I don't think we should do this. Hammering a commuter claim is garbage. We can just tell NK15 to not commute so we can investigate him. If he complies, we have an unkillable town slot. If he claims compulsive or refuses, then yeet his ass.

It isn’t scummy to think there could possibly be an invest in this game and that’s consistent with her thinking you had a real guilty on cyrus.

That doesn't read to me like "possibly".

Is it not possible that she genuinely believed the claim? Like I said, I could obviously be wrong about this but both this post and her saying jjh “knows” NK15 is town seem really weird to me if she did that as scum. It’s obviously possible it’s just wifom but it sounded sincere to me.

Now you're moving the goal posts.

Whether she believed the commuter claim or not has nothing to do with the fact she spoke about an investigative role as if it is a certainty.

But if she did actually believe it, then she obviously can’t be informed right?

I highly doubt the scum team knows WHAT roles town has, but can make inferences based on their own team's roles.

Oh, I see what you're saying... about believing that she believed the commuter claim. Deep.

My problem with that post had nothing to do with her take on the claim because it's not outside her wheelhouse as either alignment to defend the claim.

My concern is worth the TMI of taking an investigative role for granted as a certainty. There's no way she can *know* e have one as town as she's acting her, but the scum team can make the inference that one exists based on their own roles.

[Mia and Maya Fey]

sup its koba, been hella stressed from work this past week and I've been trusting nancy this game because her reads/scumhunting is better than mine. I'll try to check in tomorrow.

[Free Money Free Tea]

I sred mastina and nk
nk wagon seemed pure except mastina
I took a chanceand voted nk on the assumption my gut was wrong

[House]

I sred mastina and nk
nk wagon seemed pure except mastina
I took a chanceand voted nk on the assumption my gut was wrong

What's your take on the townslip?

[Mia and Maya Fey]

Spoiler:

[quote=Jingle post_id=12827421 time=1623522210 user_id=22133 post_num=2081]

Vote Count 1.FINAL

Not Known 15 (7):

mastina, Free Money Free Tea, Mia and Maya Fey, DrippingGoofball, nomnomnom, Not_Mafia, Moongrass,

Moongrass (1):

Gamma Emerald,

Free Money Free Tea (1):

Titus,

Mia and Maya Fey (1):

Not Known 15,

Titus (1):

jjh927,

nomnomnom (0):

jjh927 (0):

House (0):

cyrus62 (0):

mastina (0):

Not_Mafia (0):

Gamma Emerald (0):

DrippingGoofball (0):

No Euphemization (0):

Not Voting (2):

House, cyrus62,

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to euphemize and

7

to have no euphemization.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-06-17 17:00:00). At Deadline, currently No Euphemization will occur.

A Hammer has been achieved!

Not Known 15 has been made into a Euphemism Day 1.

He was:

Mafia Informed Commuter Enabler

Informed Commuter Enabler

You are aware that [Redacted]. If you die, any commuters will be unable to commute.

[/quote]

@House why is he “informed” if no town commuters exist?

[House]

@House why is he “informed” if no town commuters exist?

I don't

care

about the commuter stuff.

That's irrelevant to TMI about the investigative role.