Micro 1016 | Newbie Game But Not Really | Town wins

[Lukewarm]

TL'DR, at the start of the day, I believed your claim, and was trying to find the person who had that role PM currently. No one has it, so now I think you were lying about it to begin with. Your response - doubling down on the claim, and threatening to gladiate with me - makes me think you still feel the need to lie to the thread, ie, you are scum again. If no one has a better idea, then I am down to gladiate you over this.

[VFP]

Okay next posts from people are voting me or Luke.
A town flip on either of us is a quick lim the other with no chance of a re roll.

VOTE: Lukewarm

I don't care what order, a trade is a trade.

[VFP]

If me or Luke are ever at E1 we should self hammer.
Not doing so is a scum claim, but again I think we need to do it quicker than not so go go go!

[Cupcake Butterfly]

All right VFP, if your goal was to dissuade pushback after literally gladiating yourself and the mislim D1, I'll entertain the idea that you're town, if not for entertainment purposes.

How do you read Vax and Tris' votes?

hold on, you voted in this wagon. why are you taking no responsibility?
VOTE: cupcake

Wasn't your vote already on me, huh?

I am taking responsibility of the fact that I wanted a flip before another reroll. So far, it has worked out, since rerolls have seemed to stop.

[VFP]

I think you forgot to vote there, Cupcake.

Scum in found in me or Luke. Confirmed.

[Cupcake Butterfly]

My only reservation in seeing Luke's spec is that I never actually rolled Cop. I've been VT 3 times. I submitted an action simply to test what "Vanilla" meant.

But VFP, there seems to be 2 mafia, so why should we see this as "x" or "y"?

[Lukewarm]

Absolutely no interaction with anything I had to say in 599?

And no where better for me to look?

I guess I expected

something

from you.

[Lukewarm]

I tried to Cop VFP. Nothing happened.

I mean I based that off of this post lol

[VFP]

Because I'm confident here that Luke is scum.
And if I'm lying then I'm obviously scum.

Luke knows that I am stubborn on 1 v1s and I think that's what he was hoping I'd town read him on. Town Luke is never in a position to be sure enough to accept my 1 v 1 though.

...or I'm lying scum.

Regardless just vote 1 of us.
Not doing a self hammer at E1 is a scum claim.

[VFP]

Absolutely no interaction with anything I had to say in 599?

And no where better for me to look?

I guess I expected

something

from you.

We both.know that's not how I work.
This is practically a scum claim from Luke.

[Lukewarm]

Because I'm confident here that Luke is scum.
And if I'm lying then I'm obviously scum.

Luke knows that I am stubborn on 1 v1s and I think that's what he was hoping I'd town read him on. Town Luke is never in a position to be sure enough to accept my 1 v 1 though.

...or I'm lying scum.

Regardless just vote 1 of us.
Not doing a self hammer at E1 is a scum claim.

What in this entire game am I supposed to be looking at? Like, I specifically said that if anyone has any other direction for me to consider, I would look at it. You didn't have any other suggestion for me.

Like right now my choices are vote blindly, or 1v1 you over this. Its all I see. I choose the 1v1 every time. Even if I am wrong, it is more interesting then apathy voting.

[VFP]

Mine or Lukes scum buddy will not be in favour of this.
So anyone avoiding voting in us goes into the scum pool.

[VFP]

Like right now my choices are vote blindly, or 1v1 you over this. Its all I see. I choose the 1v1 every time. Even if I am wrong, it is more interesting then apathy voting.

Then there's no issue here.
1st to E1 self hammers.
If town, then speed lim the other.

[Lukewarm]

Absolutely no interaction with anything I had to say in 599?

And no where better for me to look?

I guess I expected

something

from you.

We both.know that's not how I work.
This is practically a scum claim from Luke.

What part of it am I supposed to know is not how you work?

When we were scum together, your fake claim was that you were a vanilla townie, who for some reason was given a link to a PT. In that PT, lend told you that you could target people with your ability, but you did not have an ability. You already decided that you had targeted multiple people, but lend ignored those.

Then in roll 2 you claimed a redacted role pm that you don't know what means, with some numbers on it. You don't know your role, but you confirmed it as a Day Vig (for some reason), and you were also given a mysterious group of numbers.

After seeing you come up with the first one as scum, what would make me think that you would not make up the second?

[Lukewarm]

My expectation for town!VFP was to either, admit that it was a lie from when you thought we were still the mafia team - or to try and come up with a way for us to use those clues to do something productive today.

Instead, your only response is to gladiate me over it...

Which makes me feel like you don't feel like you have a way out of this, and you are just hoping to kill me off before you go.

[VFP]

Because I made the second claim when others were confirmed scum?
What's your argument here? Town me lies, but scum me keeps lying?

I'm sold on you being scum though.

[VFP]

My expectation for town!VFP was to either, admit that it was a lie from when you thought we were still the mafia team - or to try and come up with a way for us to use those clues to do something productive today.

Instead, your only response is to gladiate me over it...

Which makes me feel like you don't feel like you have a way out of this, and you are just hoping to kill me off before you go.

When have you ever seen me be productive?
To be clear, I'm happy to be the first lim (due to another thought on the side). But if that happens there will always be a speed lim on you.

You're in a situation where you can't back out of it as am I.
So I'm not sure what the issue is here since to you I'm scum.

[Lukewarm]

Because I made the second claim when others were confirmed scum?
What's your argument here? Town me lies, but scum me keeps lying?

I'm sold on you being scum though.

My point was that in roll 2, you thought we both might still be scum. Which is why you lied about us originally being Masons.

When I saw Korina's claim to be in our chat, my first instinct was to just say she was scum claiming, but then I saw you lying, and I thought "huh. Maybe we are still scum?" and followed your lead.

I think that it is pretty clear that immediately after the re-roll, you thought you were still on the scum team. So, yeah, I think you made a fake claim.

But I think that if you got non-scum on the 3rd roll, you would not have been pushing that fake claim anymore, you would have realized that you were not scum and back off from the lie. Instead, you brought it back up today - adding to the confusion that is this set up.

[VFP]

Or I got the role.
Regardless I am saying you're scum
You are saying I'm scum

There's 100% chance of scum in us.
There's no trying to talk the way out of it tomorrow.

[Lukewarm]

My expectation for town!VFP was to either, admit that it was a lie from when you thought we were still the mafia team - or to try and come up with a way for us to use those clues to do something productive today.

Instead, your only response is to gladiate me over it...

Which makes me feel like you don't feel like you have a way out of this, and you are just hoping to kill me off before you go.

When have you ever seen me be productive?
To be clear, I'm happy to be the first lim (due to another thought on the side). But if that happens there will always be a speed lim on you.

You're in a situation where you can't back out of it as am I.
So I'm not sure what the issue is here since to you I'm scum.

I mean, I guess this is not really the response I expected for town!vfp OR scum!vfp - so, not sure what to think as a result.

Maybe you are town, and I am just looking to find something that makes sense out of the chaos that is this game. Your claim is the biggest mystery, so that is where I looked.

But whatever. We can do the 1v1. If we are both town, at least town will go out in a flame of glory.

Everyone's post after this should be a vote for either me or VFP

[Lukewarm]

There's 100% chance of scum in us.
There's no trying to talk the way out of it tomorrow.

Was just confused by your response. Not trying to talk my way out of it. If I am right, I am right, and I caught scum. If I am wrong, back to back town only gladiations between [you,fmft] and then [you, me] is probably they funniest way for town to lose this game. I am ready for either outcome now lol

[Lukewarm]

Town Luke is never in a position to be sure enough to accept my 1 v 1 though.

...or I'm lying scum.

I was just thinking about this line. It is a weird impression you have of me if you really are town and think this, because I have very, very confidently been wrong in plenty of games. Including a game with you, when I was so incredibly confident that Catboi was scum lol

Spoiler:

I am not realizing that I have played another game where you were scum. I was just so sure you were town that game, that even looking back I did not remember it lol

[Lukewarm]

Blind confidence in my scum cases is like my thing vfp. Here I was thinking you knew me. smh

[VFP]

Stop back tracking!

[Lukewarm]

Stop back tracking!

I'm not. If anything, you saying that after seeing how sure I was on both PearofClubs and Catboi that game makes me even more sure that you are scum