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[Smoke and Mirrors]

Hello everyone, I didn't play with any of you because I mostly played normals. VOTE: Alisae

Alright I was busy during the start of the thread, will post more later.

Yeah real life got in the way.

VFP seems quite town to me, personally. He has been quite helpful and just generally smelled town.

I’m town.

I don't like this.

@Gamma, I don’t understand the point of any of their posts so far.

[VFP]

Weekend stuff.

UNVOTE: Gamma

Kitty may be scum for multiple reasons. I'll think when I'm on.

[Gypyx]

votecount 1.6

Gamma Emerald (1) - KittyTacky
KittyTacky (0)
mastina (0)
Smoke and Mirrors (0)
Cupcake Butterfly (0)
ssbm_Kyouko (1) - Imaginality
Flea The Magician (0)
Mistyx (0)
cyrus62 (0)
imaginality (2) ssbm_Kyouko ; Cyrus62
marcistar (0)
Distance (2) Marcistar ; Gamma Emerald
VFP (0)

not voting (7) - Everyone else

day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-06-21 02:12:49)

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Gamma Emerald (0)
KittyTacky (0)
mastina (0)
Smoke and Mirrors (1) - Smoke And Mirrors
Cupcake Butterfly (1) - Cupcake Butterfly
ssbm_Kyouko (5) ssbm_Kyouko ; distance ; Gamma Emerald ; Mistyx ; Cyrus62
Flea The Magician (3) - Flea The Magician ; VFP ; Mastina
Mistyx (0)
cyrus62 (0)
imaginality (1) - Imaginality
marcistar (0)
Distance (0)
VFP (0)

Please vote vote for the marketplace owner with HEAL: tags

auction

the auctioned abilities are :

1-shot Cop - the top bet during the mid point is 125

2-shot Doctor - the top bet during the mid point is 125

1-shot Hitman - the top bet during the mid point is 125

1-shot Roleblocker - the top bet during the mid point is 125

[Flea The Magician]

That's a lot of pages... eugh catchup mode it is.

[Cupcake Butterfly]

Can people explain the Kyouko MO votes? I'm not really seeing much reason here other than "you sound smart" or is my assessment too critical?

Also, we're 18 hr with hardly any wagons. I can't tell whether town or scum is more active with this playerlist. I want to start hearing cases.

[KittyTacky]

Weekend stuff.

UNVOTE: Gamma

Kitty may be scum for multiple reasons. I'll think when I'm on.

Being busy means I'm scum. I see.

[KittyTacky]

Having issues reading into people here. VFP and Flea are town though and it would take a lot to convince me they are scum. Marci is decent too.

Smoke and Distance are two of my SRs at this point in the game.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: Smoke and Mirrors

[imaginality]

Bedtime here (NZ). Back in 7hrs.
HEAL: Cupcake Butterfly - I don't want ssbm as MO, I think Cupcake is a better pick than Flea. I'd go for Flea if it's still between Flea or ssbm closer to day end though.

[Cupcake Butterfly]

Nancy, guess my main.

Having issues reading into people here. VFP and Flea are town though and it would take a lot to convince me they are scum. Marci is decent too.

Smoke and Distance are two of my SRs at this point in the game.

I get the idea that VFP/Flea are the same alignment but I'm not ready to call that town. Why are you comfortable saying so?

Also I don't think Kyouko or his voters have given me much passing thought, which does not instill confidence.

[Distance]

Having issues reading into people here. VFP and Flea are town though and it would take a lot to convince me they are scum. Marci is decent too.

Smoke and Distance are two of my SRs at this point in the game.

VOTE: kitty

[Distance]

i feel like there would be more resistance to kyo mo though

[Gamma Emerald]

Can people explain the Kyouko MO votes? I'm not really seeing much reason here other than "you sound smart" or is my assessment too critical?

Also, we're 18 hr with hardly any wagons. I can't tell whether town or scum is more active with this playerlist. I want to start hearing cases.

Mine might be the most reasoned out one surprisingly?
Feel free to tell me if I’m wrong tho

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler: The deep blue sea attracts my senses

Not much if you win your D1 bid, of course, but you get your money back if you're outbid.
If we get all four powers we still have six town players who can bid 400+ for other stuff D2.
I wouldn't recommend this for any mix of powers on D1, but in this case I think it's worth making sure we make these all pricey if scum want to outbid us, and this approach is the best I can see for ensuring we do that.

P-edit: yes, D2 it would not be smart to reveal who does/doesn't have money left.
Also that's why we should all bid 400+ on a random item today, as per my suggested approach, then scum can't gain any advantage by who they kill (beyond the usual factors).

I do not like you or like this. We have 4 days, and 16 items to bid on. You seem to be suggesting we just blow the lot today?

that queston wasnt ment for you so scum points for you for helping.

my bad it was ment for you lol.[/quote]
*suspicious*

Actually I think 7 pages in we've got a pretty solid gamestate. Reads are being developed, and we've got equal amounts of generic vs mechanical discussion going.

For 21 posts I haven't seen more than maybe 2 reads?

I'm going to be honest, I'm a bit soured by the confrontation between you, VFP, and Alisae -

(on a GAME level, NOT personal.)

I didn't see a point in confronting Alisae as much as directing your attention to someone who you wanted to support. It didn't vibe as genuine to me that VFP was quick to credit Alisae and follow em but doubled back onto you whenever Alisae wanted to gain control of the thread.

I'm experienced with Alisae. Ey almost always goes for control unless they flake out. I thought you would recognize this if you had prior experience with em. The interaction felt in bad faith.

I'm not excusing Alisae turning off players or insulting their intelligence. Your feelings are valid. But I don't know if they're directed in a protown angle yet.

I keep my cards close, and I was speaking as a game general not as a me general. 21 posts, 2 reads I feel is quite loose for me. Whats your benchmark? What do you expect to see at Page 7? and from someone with 21 posts?

I do have some limited experience with Alisae and I know that generally e's a lovely person, I also know we can and will clash if our agendas oppose, which is the feeling I got there. This is the first time I've seen em go that hard on asserting control.

I can understand eir wanting to come in and take control after the last one OMB, however, I am not willing for someone to come in and made that kind of entry, attempt to become town leader, MO and then contradict themselves in their action and intent.

I've been on a bit of a high from how MO is going and thinking about the setup strategy but game is kinda stagnant otherwise actually and the pink cloud is fading. Got any juicy scumreads? (I don't think MO candidates should discuss TRs today as it may influence scum to vote an MO that could be more likely to designate a scum replacement)

None juicy.

Acutally, I'm going to follow up and VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko for post #179. Between that possible scum slip, and the downplaying of hitman... on which note, also if ssbm_Kyouko expects MO to draw the NK (per post #31) why didn't he suggest MO bid for scum powers like hitman instead of no-bid? I feel like he's scum hoping to pick up hitman for cheap.


And HEAL: imaginality

This is awful. This is absolutely awful given your own posting. You're showing awareness of the game mechanics while trying to lead town down a bad road.

Spoiler: The tide is like the heartbeat of eternity

And look at what else is sus - midday hits. 125 each is apparently scum trying to gauge where town is bidding. It may even be that if cyrus is town they just withheld all bets, which explains why nothing was hidden at midDay.

5 hours after what is apparently scum trying to gauge where the town is bidding (whether Cyrus is scum or not, tbh he is the only player in the lobby I would say the 125 split is NAI for with confidence). They see nobody is bidding high yet. 5 hours later, in comes Imaginality to lead town toward spending 400 on all roles. Imagine scum dont bid on anything toDay. Town spends 1600, loses 500, or 100 and a purchased role, then in the likely situation that they avoid hitting the doctor target and get a kill, that's another 500 down. We go into D2 8:3 and scum still have the wallet to outbid us on auction detective, and potentially pick up scum roles on the cheap from townies that are down to 100.

Where was this strategy before midday? We were already very deep into mechanical discussion when he made his previous post, so why not bring it up before midDay?

While his suggestion is appealing at first, even to me, from a numbers standpoint, I think what they are doing is baiting town into spending a lot of their money so that in later days scum can outbid.

The next bit gets tinfoil, but I would not be surprised to find out flea is the scum's preferred MO candidate and see that Imaginality eventually concedes and switches his vote there as I'm currently leading. Whether his means flea is scum or one of the scum has a friendly relationship with Flea that may lead Flea to elect that scum as a replacement, I do not know.

The thing is while I may semi-seriously push myself, people who know me will know that I ultimately won't end the day voting myself and I will encourage others to vote elsewhere. People in this PL with the potentialy to buddy me are VFP and Mastina, and frankly I'd expect Mastina to be out for revenge after the last game :3 Gamma would be included but that is a corker of a hole to dig back out of.

starting to feel gamma is just a toxic player. so i most likely will just ignore them. as town i dont lie and as scum i still dont lie. so to think i lied or to even suggest i am urks me badly. read my scum games again gamma you will see i do not lie . even in life. my one fault and most likely why i stink at being scum is never ever lieing.

There is a thin line between a lie and twisted truth, that you consider Gamma toxic already speaks volumes.

fyi i wouldnt trust gamma to town the random shade comes off as scum.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald this gives gamma the most votes . so they are on the choping block.

This is bad vibes.

starting to feel gamma is just a toxic player. so i most likely will just ignore them. as town i dont lie and as scum i still dont lie. so to think i lied or to even suggest i am urks me badly. read my scum games again gamma you will see i do not lie . even in life. my one fault and most likely why i stink at being scum is never ever lieing.

okay then let's test that

are you scum

Beautiful.

cyrus’s mindset is weird enough that i kinda wanna call it town

I disagree, honestly. he is where I'm going to be voting at the moment because something seems so incredibly off, 2s2bs almost which is always worth a vote.

Spoiler: I feel warm and safe as I'm diving deeper

like actually what the fuck was to point of tacky's responding to that

Busybodying.

Spoiler: Into the heart of the ocean, I have no fear

Can people explain the Kyouko MO votes? I'm not really seeing much reason here other than "you sound smart" or is my assessment too critical?

Also, we're 18 hr with hardly any wagons. I can't tell whether town or scum is more active with this playerlist. I want to start hearing cases.

Players off the radar are always a concern for me.
And I know Nancy - if scum - will fully want to outbid me on the cop, given my last catch <3
ssbm seems to have their head on right mechanically, which is why I assume people are voting there.

Nancy, guess my main.

Having issues reading into people here. VFP and Flea are town though and it would take a lot to convince me they are scum. Marci is decent too.

Smoke and Distance are two of my SRs at this point in the game.

I get the idea that VFP/Flea are the same alignment but I'm not ready to call that town. Why are you comfortable saying so?

Also I don't think Kyouko or his voters have given me much passing thought, which does not instill confidence.

You don't particularrly spring to mind at the moment.

[Cupcake Butterfly]

HEAL: ssmb_kyouko
I kinda think this is good while we wait for others to check in at least

haha, reasoned in any measure is not the word I'd have used.

Unless you haven't found any better options for MO, not even yourself? Or why Kyouko?

I'll get to you some point soon Flea. :3 I skimmed your post when I was p-edited.

[Flea The Magician]

The variance in post counts does me a concern...

VOTE: cyrus for now, Distance really needs to pick up some slack...

In an odd move I'm actually not going to support anyone else for MO because ssbm while the reasonable take is making me raise an eyebrow a touch.

[Flea The Magician]

HEAL: ssmb_kyouko
I kinda think this is good while we wait for others to check in at least

haha, reasoned in any measure is not the word I'd have used.

Unless you haven't found any better options for MO, not even yourself? Or why Kyouko?

I'll get to you some point soon Flea. :3 I skimmed your post when I was p-edited.

Oh I hope you do, you feel very much like someone on the outside looking in.

[Gamma Emerald]

HEAL: ssmb_kyouko
I kinda think this is good while we wait for others to check in at least

haha, reasoned in any measure is not the word I'd have used.

Unless you haven't found any better options for MO, not even yourself? Or why Kyouko?

I'll get to you some point soon Flea. :3 I skimmed your post when I was p-edited.

I posted “why kyouko” later

[Gamma Emerald]

And I don’t feel like any especially better options have come up

[cyrus62]

i have like 4 scum leans so im going try to get that down to 3 and the rest is null or town leans.

[cyrus62]

top scum leans imganity gamma flea and ssbm

[cyrus62]

HEAL: vfp

[Flea The Magician]

top scum leans imganity gamma flea and ssbm

This feels a lil reactive, and I wanna poke it.

Any reasoning you're willing to share?

[cyrus62]

top scum leans imganity gamma flea and ssbm

This feels a lil reactive, and I wanna poke it.

Any reasoning you're willing to share?

imganity for shade and bad push. gamma for trying to discredit it , ssbm for being overly townie. and you for useing , post counts to vote, 4 games so i cant post overly in al.

[cyrus62]

yes fle should of been at the bottom of my top 4 scum leans .