Situation Room [Game Over!]

[northsidegal]

Votecount 2.5

Target	Wagon
Yuri Gagarin (4)	Titus (1474), UNOwen (1491), OkaPoka (1512), T3 (1530)
T3 (3)	GuiltyLion (1518), Save The Dragons (1522), Almost50 (1641)
Save The Dragons (1)	Bell (1464)
OkaPoka (1)	Yuri Gagarin (1514)
Almost50 (1)	Dusa (1532)
Not Voting (5)	FakeGod, Bingle, Cupcake Butterfly, DrippingGoofball, LavarManos

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to eliminate. The Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2021-07-03 18:30:59).

[Bingle]

Oh, cool, a proto VC. That should help me jump back into the game. Thanks nsg!

[Almost50]

Nothing much, but a marker

[T3]

VOTE: Titus¬

[Titus]

T3, why are you ok with a wagon that I started given you SRed me yesterday? Are you bussing, afraid of your own elimination or both?

Better question: Are you bussing?

I'd like a real answer to this. Why were you ok voting Yuri in the first place?

[Bell]

@Cupcake: Thoughts on the game now that we have a scum flip?

[Bingle]

Neighborhood 1: Dusa, Dannflor, DGB, GL, STD, OkaPoka, T3, Yuri, FG

Leftovers: Bingle, Almost50, UNOwen, Titus, CB, LavarManos, Bell

We should definitely be solving in not the Neighborhood.

VOTE: CB

[Bell]

We should?

[Bell]

Because you’re worried that the scum team will chip away at the town majority in the first neighborhood?

[Bingle]

More because solving outside of the neighborhood gives us a larger overlap in the pools, but sure, that's another benefit.

[Bell]

I mean, I don’t even know where to begin with all the leaps of logic and assumptions inherent in that approach. But I’ll leave it alone and see if anything interesting happens.

[Almost50]

Neighborhood 1: Dusa, Dannflor, DGB, GL, STD, OkaPoka, T3, Yuri, FG

Leftovers: Bingle, Almost50, UNOwen, Titus, CB, LavarManos, Bell

We should definitely be solving in not the Neighborhood.

VOTE: CB

Not my #1 pick here (T3 is my #1 & FG is my #2), but it'll do

VOTE: CB

[Bingle]

Yuri, what exactly excited you about the setup that you're not being allowed to explore?

[Bingle]

I mean, I don’t even know where to begin with all the leaps of logic and assumptions inherent in that approach. But I’ll leave it alone and see if anything interesting happens.

?

It is inherently better to solve outside of the neighborhood first because those people who are outside of the neighborhood cannot be sorted inside of the neighborhood. The only inherent assumptions are that we want to have large amounts of neighborhood overlap and that there is scum outside of the first neighborhood.

[T3]

T3, why are you ok with a wagon that I started given you SRed me yesterday? Are you bussing, afraid of your own elimination or both?

Better question: Are you bussing?

I'd like a real answer to this. Why were you ok voting Yuri in the first place?

See: his ISO

[OkaPoka]

id agree with you bingle but there are extenuating circumstances in my opinion.

[Bingle]

Those extenuating circumstances are?

[FakeGod]

I think Gamma trying to skeevy his way onto CB wagon in D1 indicates CB town.

[GuiltyLion]

Qoobee jumping off Gamma to STD and making this justification for town!Gamma still so early into D1 is a bad look IMO

Lol I was thinking this too.

why not vote T3 then?

why have you not voted at all?

[GuiltyLion]

I think T3 is unprepared for runs of this heat level in general which makes it hard to say for sure he is definitely bad! However this points towards his potentially being bad!

I also don't like the way he described my tone! I think if my high pitched voice made it harder to see my soul, he would just guess my soul wrong! I think he is bad and instead said he can't see my soul, because he knew if he was good he would be guessing wrong!

Does that make sense!?!?!?!

yeah, I see what you're saying in the second paragraph here as well

It is possible he's just playing on a heat level that's too high (could certainly be Jury Summons that's causing his difficulties), but he's definitely not a slot I want alive through endgame at the moment

I saw Bingle suggesting we should hunt off wagon for today though and I can see the merit to that, plus everyone's had a chance to weigh in so I mayy drop this push for now once I finish responding to posts and thinking about what to do

[GuiltyLion]

UNOwen and Titus both ended the day voting Yuri and opened the day voting Yuri, as if there was no re-evaluation whatsoever on the whole Gamma wagon build + flip

- I clearly spite voted Yuri, didn't I?
- Do you think Hypo/Gamma was distancing? Doesn't seem likely to me.

I'm not following what "spite voting" has to do with anything here? You opened trying to pick up the same questions you had towards Yuri on D2, to me that suggests you're still scumreading him. And then you voted him when he didn't answer them, which presumably means you scumread him? What changes by calling it a "spite" vote, are you saying you don't actually think Yuri is scum or a useful vote?

I can definitely imagine Hypo/Gamma as distancing. What makes you say it's not likely? I called out how Hypo's reasoning for voting Gamma felt like a reach at the time, I still don't really like that initial explanation she gave for the vote even though her explanation for the explanation was plausible.

And Gamma kinda discredited/shaded Hypo in 135 and later 249 but it never evolved into a scumread or vote on her, and then didn't mention Titus in any meaningful or substantive way at all. It could be T-S but I'm certainly not seeing anything that pushes me away from S-S.

[GuiltyLion]

Your other two SRs just happen to be the people voting you.

A50 wasn't voting T3 when he posted that, also T3 hasn't really suggested a scumread on me, this feels disingenuous

[Titus]

Vla today and tomorrow

I can't deal with anyone else asking me to fix their shit and being ungrateful for it.

I'm not in the mental health to play mafia.

X post all games.

[Bingle]

Spoiler:

VOTE: cupcake butterfly
got townpings from Fenrir in some posts I saw quoted by A50, and I want in on CB's game so I'm moving there

1118 uses ellipses and a question mark! It ices Cupcake out before asking him a question! This undermines the question! The question is performative!

A human who was good writing this post might write "...?" and nothing else! It looks like Gamma Emerald wrote his human response but then by wrote wanted to add a dutiful due diligence and question about something he had fully decided was stupid because he is supposed to be investigating if he's good!

This is absolutely correct

But what about it makes me scum?

It looks like the people who posted since Gamma Emerald's last spree are Cupcake Butterfly and Almost50!
I think that spree is so bad that people who did not vote him for it are likely to also be bad!

This post itself looks haphazardly written in a way that doesn’t flow naturally
The logical way to write this is “I think Gamma’s last string of posts was bad, these people are suspect for not thinking the same thing”
I feel like Dusa may be trying to deflect attention from actual scum with this maneuver

This is an inorganic progression on a slot from a single reading! Hephaestus made this! Gamma Emerald got help from Hephaestus and pretended otherwise!

Is Hephaestus representative of anyone in this game?
Also I don’t particularly feel like my progression is as bad as you make it out to be, the second post was made more out of a place of questioning Bingle vs. defending CB

Once CB flips scum I feel like Dusa should be flipped next

I really don't think this is very townspewy, tbh.

[GuiltyLion]

Leftovers: Bingle, Almost50, UNOwen, Titus, CB, LavarManos, Bell

of these, I have no interest in Bingle/Bell today, and I think A50's D2 play has felt fairly townie to me. There was also this post:

I am unlikely to join the fast-growing Gamma wagon. I don't see anything scummy in their posts and I dislike the speed in which it got from 0 to 5 votes

which I think is less likely to come from scum!A50 partnered with scum!Gamma, it feels to me like he really didn't know that Gamma was scum.

I'd be a fine with a wagon on any of the UNOwen/Titus/CB/Lavar slots frankly, I'm not townreading any of them. UNOwen sounded towniest D1 but his actual engagement with the game feels a bit surface level and I'm not grokking his latest reads/pushes.

Titus I think I need more from her today to help sort and I'm probably due for a reread of her ISO. A50's point about her EOD play and frustration with the hammer might be good.

CB and Lavar are just nothing slots. On this:

I think Gamma trying to skeevy his way onto CB wagon in D1 indicates CB town.

Could it not be scum!Gamma trying to get into the hood and distance from scum!CB? I feel the beginning of CB wagon was townie considering the voters and the timing of it, so I don't know if I think Gamma was necessarily trying to capitalize on a miselim as CB might have been at the point where scum were seeking reasons to bus him. Gamma also didn't really push CB that hard once he started getting voted instead - despite flipping to confidently to asserting CB scum, I can't say that I feel Gamma actually wanted us to eliminate CB instead of himself.