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Hello everyone!

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VOTE: tris
VOTE: ssbm

No anime girls allowed.

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ahhh hopefully things get better for you soon titus

anyways this is my first game of mafia on this site despite me being here for like five years so go easy on me plox. thank you

aHave you played mafia before?

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VOTE: taco Serious vote.

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VOTE: taco Serious vote.

Elaborate.

I make 3 posts, two of them RVS. There's no way you can get a legit read on me based on that.

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VOTE: taco Serious vote.

Elaborate.

I make 3 posts, two of them RVS. There's no way you can get a legit read on me based on that.

You come from epicmafia, why is it so crazy to have a snapread on someone based on intro posts to you? And in addition - Why do you believe its a "legit read" when I didn't back it up with a vote? Trying to follow your thought process, if town, here.

Oh hi koba.

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That doesn't make your read any less fabricated lol

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That doesn't make your read any less fabricated lol

Talking to koba/taco.

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That doesn't make your read any less fabricated lol

and if it was fabricated, what then?

Remind me why that's a question.

[T3]

Hello everyone!

ahhh hopefully things get better for you soon titus

anyways this is my first game of mafia on this site despite me being here for like five years so go easy on me plox. thank you

aHave you played mafia before?

So Shrek is an alt that's purposefully doing a gimmick. Cool.

T3 feels performative in their initial postings and replies, don't vibe with their tone so far.

Do you think this is an unreasonable conclusion to come to based on the first 2 posts?

Yes. I usually start my games with "Hello everyone" or some kind of joke that involves me claiming scum.

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That doesn't make your read any less fabricated lol

and if it was fabricated, what then?

Remind me why that's a question.

answer it.

Sure. What possible reason does a townie have to fabricate a read?

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VOTE: tris
VOTE: ssbm

No anime girls allowed.

buh?

You saw that post and with it you saw your impending doom and all you say is "buh?"

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Stop trying to justify your push on me - like i dont give a shit. All I care is about boxing you into a position where you have no choice but to read me correctly.

This post doesn't fit with your narrative of "T3 scum"

You're caught and you're flailing.

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VOTE: tris
VOTE: ssbm

No anime girls allowed.

buh?

You saw that post and with it you saw your impending doom and all you say is "buh?"

imnot an anime girl

Oh I forgot you changed it. Point still applies.

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Now you're just walking back your read after being pushed. I call bs.

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@T3 how do i know youre not an anime girl posing as someone with no profile picture

I have a weird thing about not wanting avatars than I can neither explain nor defend expect that it's an aesthetic.

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@T3 how do i know youre not an anime girl posing as someone with no profile picture

I have a weird thing about not wanting avatars than I can neither explain nor defend expect that it's an aesthetic.

but, what if it's an anime girl avatar that you don't have?

On the internet, no one knows you're an anime girl.

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Tris we are town block now. Okay?

Application to join townblock.

Qualifications: Role PM

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Shrek and Salsa are town.

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Shrek is doing a questionable but newbie town play.

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pI'm happy with my vote on taco.

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Shrek is locktown.

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UNVOTE: taco
Like honestly me not explaining is part of my playstyle.

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Oh yeah, Galaxis didn't /in the newbie queue. And she acts like a child from what I gathered but knows how to use phbb forums lol

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IIf this really is your first forum mafia game then post "/in as new" in the signup thread in the newbie queue.

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it's pretty blatant its a pooky alt based on playstyle and post style

Oh.

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[be mildly annoyed at]Galaxis[/be mildly annoyed at]

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IIf this really is your first forum mafia game then post "/in as new" in the signup thread in the newbie queue.

this is OGI please don't request stuff like this

Oh. I'll know for next time, won't happen again.

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Now the game is a full day old, a quick-and-dirty sorting based mostly on my hugely unreliable gut.

In no particular order...

Town
Faria - Is overly aggressive on Taco, but I think that's because she saw something there she legitimately doesn't like. Feels like a scum misplay to go after somebody so hard so early.
Taco - Has picked fights with lots of people. Would feel like a scum misplay. Leans town as a result.
Shrek - His (probably inadvisable) softclaim to defuse pressure puts him here for now

Null town
Dwlee -- Feels like towny pressuring people to get reactions but just a gut feel
Kyouko -- Same as Dwlee
Zyla -- No real lean yet, but gut says town, so here she stands for now

True null
Titus -- I got nothin yet

Null scum
Sean -- Asking so many questions but not offering nearly as much info. Head says town sorting, gut says scum, can't really justify that tho
Tris -- No justifiable read yet, just a gut feeling pushing her slightly south of neutral

Scum
T3 -- my vote is currently here, for reasons I stated earlier. Posts are short and cryptic, and he's proud of that.
Lucifer -- Not really enough for a proper read, but the fact he's made only two posts (pedit -- now three) -- one of them with no content at all, just a quote -- feels deliberately withholding
Galaxis -- Again, not really enough for a proper read, but I am not sure I buy the way they're acting

Happy Thursday morning, tear me to pieces.

My posts are short and cryptic, correct. I'll try to change that this game but I do have a valid reason for my votes.

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Can someone condense the case on kyo or is there none?

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Now the game is a full day old, a quick-and-dirty sorting based mostly on my hugely unreliable gut.

In no particular order...

Town
Faria - Is overly aggressive on Taco, but I think that's because she saw something there she legitimately doesn't like. Feels like a scum misplay to go after somebody so hard so early.
Taco - Has picked fights with lots of people. Would feel like a scum misplay. Leans town as a result.
Shrek - His (probably inadvisable) softclaim to defuse pressure puts him here for now

Null town
Dwlee -- Feels like towny pressuring people to get reactions but just a gut feel
Kyouko -- Same as Dwlee
Zyla -- No real lean yet, but gut says town, so here she stands for now

True null
Titus -- I got nothin yet

Null scum
Sean -- Asking so many questions but not offering nearly as much info. Head says town sorting, gut says scum, can't really justify that tho
Tris -- No justifiable read yet, just a gut feeling pushing her slightly south of neutral

Scum
T3 -- my vote is currently here, for reasons I stated earlier. Posts are short and cryptic, and he's proud of that.
Lucifer -- Not really enough for a proper read, but the fact he's made only two posts (pedit -- now three) -- one of them with no content at all, just a quote -- feels deliberately withholding
Galaxis -- Again, not really enough for a proper read, but I am not sure I buy the way they're acting

Happy Thursday morning, tear me to pieces.

Lol, what an absolute fucking joke mate. Just because I've only made three posts does not make me scum. You should realize that people have life's outside of this bloody game, even if you don't. On another note, did you put your Mafia buddies under town?

hi dont be a dick thanks

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I'm liking Titus as town a lot rn and her point on Pav makes sense.
VOTE: Titus

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Oops lol
VOTE: pav

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What if Zyla and Dwlee are both town

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Seanzie seems towny but I can't explain why because of ongoing games.

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I am pretty sure Salsa is town. I agree with most of her thoughts and she is actively solving.

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I am pretty sure Salsa is town. I agree with most of her thoughts and she is actively solving.

You shouldn't be townreading me

UNVOTE: tris

VOTE: T3

*wat*

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"null line?"

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I'm trying to play against my town meta this game mainly because it gets me scumread.

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Which confirms Salsas thought process was valid.

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I'm trying to play against my town meta this game mainly because it gets me scumread.

What would you say your town meta is? You're like always scum to me so I tend to not trust my read

I usually don't case people and rely on tone.

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I'm trying to play against my town meta this game mainly because it gets me scumread.

What would you say your town meta is? You're like always scum to me so I tend to not trust my read

I usually don't case people and rely on tone.

Is your choice to change up your meta for this game caused by something, or just decided to do it?

Mainly because people scumread it and people have voiced that it's annoying.

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Something I've noticed about kyo is that he only seemsto be asking questions and not providing original thought. This is only from this page though. I'm not sure if this is a playstyle thing but I'll note it.

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I skimmed his ISO and nvm to the above.

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I'm getting strong tvt vibes from the Dwlle/Zyla interaction. Idk why.

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I don't have strong reads on either of them at this point.

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Looking back through our combined ISO, I actually do like Dwlee's responses in 340 and 345, I can give them some town points for those two

Well, yeah, it's not anything special, it's just playing the game. And while I can understand it feeling defensive that I scum read Titus for that,

I'd like to think that if I saw someone call someone out for not having any good reads I'd scum read it regardless of if the read was on me

.

Why is the bolded scummy?

Also, I noticed I forgot to respond to this post. I honestly don't know how I didn't notice that on a reread.
It was supposed to say "If I saw someone scum read someone for not having reads/analysis in their posts when they themselves don't have any yet, I would scum read it [..]"

This is a towny post. It shows consistency with thought process but reads that are different to what she thought before.

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I can't say why because of ongoing games but tris is scummy. Her explanation of "It's hard for me to get in to the game" is usually more likely to come from town that scum, from personal experience.

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I can't say why because of ongoing games but tris is scummy. Her explanation of "It's hard for me to get in to the game" is usually more likely to come from town that scum, from personal experience.

This contradicts itself. Is she towny or scummy?

I'm saying I have a reason why she is town and a reason why she is scum.

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I am pretty sure Salsa is town. I agree with most of her thoughts and she is actively solving.

which thoughts?

First, there was the read on Taco. Right off the bat we scumread them for the same reason., fake reads and trying to look like town solving. Then we voted Pavowski around the same time.

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I can't say why because of ongoing games but tris is scummy. Her explanation of "It's hard for me to get in to the game" is usually more likely to come from town that scum, from personal experience.

What abt her vs tic tac toe mafia we played recently

Oh. I'll look at that.

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Scum tris posts shallow, frequent one-liners that are relatively devoid of actual content. She light defends her scumpartners for reasons such as vibes and gut. Shemakes no effort to engage with other people and instead pops in to give reads. The tris in this game is engaging with the thread and posting content that is more than just unexplained one line reads.

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I'm almost certain tris is town this game because of the stark meta contrast.

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I'm almost certain tris is town this game because of the stark meta contrast.

Didn't you say the opposite just a little while ago, based on ongoing game meta?

I may have to rethink [redacted]

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Scum tris posts shallow, frequent one-liners that are relatively devoid of actual content. She light defends her scumpartners for reasons such as vibes and gut. Shemakes no effort to engage with other people and instead pops in to give reads. The tris in this game is engaging with the thread and posting content that is more than just unexplained one line reads.

I'm almost certain tris is town this game because of the stark meta contrast.

I'm reading tris and then reading 716 and feels to me like tris is posting exactly in the way you say scum!tris posts - shallow frequent one-liners devoid of content. So why do you tr her?

She is responding to players and engaging with the thread from the few pages I saw. I'll read her ISO.

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Nothing is indicative of anything in isolation. Taco's reaction to me mentioning teammate equity was way overblown though, they immediately went towards trying to discredit my thoughts by saying it had "0 logic" rather than trying to see if I am town (they purport they were doing that, but I don't buy it).

it seems very believable to me that they saw the read as having 0 logic. i for one, don't see why scum would go out of their way to fake that interaction especially since it's an interaction scum could genuinely have. and, one way someone might try to sort someone, is by calling out what they see as scummy. just because they're tone was aggressive doesn't mean they're not trying to sort you.

When I brought up that they were reacting defensively, they doubled down towards refusing to acknowledge what I was saying, and have time and time again tried to dismiss the conversation, until eventually they OMGUSed.

what exactly were they refusing to acknowledge?

Detective work says scum tris never does this from meta.

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as a reminder, discussion of ongoing games is not allowed.

this is not a warning directed at anyone in particular, but any violation of this rule is grounds for a force-replace and an unpleasant conversation with the listmod. do

not

fuck around.

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I played a recent game where one of the mafias never put their partner in their readlist. Day 1 associatives are bad though.

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Can someone condense the case on Zyla for me?

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Lucifer and Zyla have some associatives but that's it.

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A Zyla scumflip gives strong Lucifer associatives as scum. I don't scumread her by play, I haven't found anything bad. I get good vibes from her though.

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Reading over Zyla's ISO her reaction felt weird. There was almost that "how did you catch me" feeling. It was specifically 529. By play there realy wasn't much that I could latch on to except Zyla's 676 which was towny. There was 750 which claimed that Pavowskis posts were back to back which is weird.

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I still have no idea about Zyla.

I am trying to improve as a player because my normal playstyle gets me scumread as town.

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At this point I think Pavowski is still the best wagon.

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I'm Vigilante so you may not be around to talk with me about this tomorrow

[whyyyyyyy.gif]

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Lucifer is town by the Vig claim, I don't think that's in his scumrange.

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Zyla is a null read right now for reasons already explained. Lucifer had 100000000x partner equity with Zyla but now he's town so I don't think lim Zyla.

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Lucifer [redacted], it's NAI.

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I can't talk about it because it would be against site rules.

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Titus is slightly towny but that's mostly vibes. I agreed with her Pavowski read but now that Pavowski was town I'm not sure.

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Lucifer is in the process of sitefaking, he likely didn't do an action.

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I'm going to see what possible reasons scum had to kill Salsa. I had her as very town but it seemed not everyone did.

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Actually wait I think Sean scumread Salsa but he was a really loud voice so I'm not sure.

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Updated Readlist

Town:

ssbm_Kyouko

Titus

Dwlee99

Seanzie

Scum:

T3

Sherk

or

Taco

tris

Pavowski

Rests are null.

So uh this readlist at the end would definitely implicate me but I'm town.
Shrek is also very obvious town.
Pavowski flipped town.
That leaves tris. I metadived tris earlier and came to the conclusion tris is town but Salsa, with my evidence, came to the opposite conclusion so I'm not sure.

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I meant siteflaking, disappearing from the site. See the Replacement Requests thread.

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A site newb claiming vig is way out of his scumrange. Lucifer is town.

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trust me when I say this vig claim is BS - I did this same gambit.

why claim vig there as town who just quickhammered?

Anti town != scum.

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There are a number of reasons
Drunk.
Bored.
Bad player.

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There are a number of reasons
Drunk.
Bored.
Bad player.

who do u think is scum here then?

Honestly I'm not sure.

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Hm. From rereading tris's ISO her posts actually look similar to the tic tac toe game where she was scum. She makes some longer posts but most of them are fillery.

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Taco Zyla and Lucifer Zyla had associative tells but Lucifer is very likely town unless he's an alt and Taco is pushing Lucifer so I'm not sure.

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Honesty NKA is usualy bad. I recently finished a scumgame where we NKed Zyla N1 because we thought she softed pr. She was scumread by most of the players. She flipped VT.
Everyone then ran around wondering why the heck Zyla was nked eventualy leading to a mislim and the Friendly Neighbor outing. What Seanzie is saying makes sense.

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Honesty NKA is usualy bad. I recently finished a scumgame where we NKed Zyla N1 because we thought she softed pr. She was scumread by most of the players. She flipped VT.
Everyone then ran around wondering why the heck Zyla was nked eventualy leading to a mislim and the Friendly Neighbor outing. What Seanzie is saying makes sense.

About nka being bad.

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I agree with Tacos read on tris but I think I agree with Seanzie's point about Taco pushing thr nka narrative.

CONFUSION

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I need one of those boards like you see in the movies with pictures and string connecting things.
The buddy tells in this game have become wack, I'm lost.

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VOTE: Zyla
Zyla has a lot of interesting associatives and her recent posts tone felt kind of faked, specifically the part about the kill going through. I also think Dwlee is town for having a similar reaction.

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E2 I think. Not sure though.

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Galaxis will just flake out.

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Shrek is obvtown.

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I'm getting cyrus62 vibes from Sherk. Their reads kind of suck and there's a lot of tinfoil but the intent is there.

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Ugh. Everyone is making smart cases and I have way too many trs but no srs except tris and Zyla who I don't even scumread that much.

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Like I'm not sure what to make of the you/Taco spat.

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Atp I'm fine with the Zyla vote.

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also im drunk off polish wodka whats up

At 5 PM?

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._.

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Happy cake day

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also im drunk off polish wodka whats up

At 5 PM?

ITS A FRIDAY

Fair.

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what the fuck

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That was an actual, spoken out loud, "what the fuck"

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So like VOTE: Seanzie
But there's also that Taco is drunk. Dwlee is town for his above few posts that are basically trying to fake the guilty. Taco I think recognized that.

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I've never had alchohol so idk how long it takes to get undrunk.
Google time.

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6-8 hours. UNVOTE: Seanzie
I never thought I would have to google how long it takes for DkKoba to get undrunk in a mafia game but here I am.

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Or taco is a drunk sheep. Let's just wait.

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So like.
What are claiming?

pedit: lmaoooo
interpreting the "interested" part of that sentect in a novel way.

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Calling:
T3
ssbm_Kyouko
Titus

Let's talk about Taco and Seanzie.

I was asleep.

I'm catching up.

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Okay buddy 13 year old

don't generalize us children

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VOTE: Seanzie
Scum has no reason to fakeclaim cop. There's also that Shrek claims to be an Informed pr who knows there'sa Cop so it's probably not a drunk gambit.

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Locktown: Shrek, Lucifer
Town: Dwlee, Taco (depends on the Seanzie flip)
Lean town: Kyo
Null: Titus
Null scum: humaneatingmonkey
Lean scum: Zyla
Scum: tris
Basically outed scum: Seanzie

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That's E-1, I want this wagon but don't want day to end.

Seanzie is confirmed mafia at this point, and if not then Taco has to be.

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No one hammer. Hammerinh here early is a scumclaim

So you were drunk? -_-

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I think a fullclaim is probably necessary? Or is Tacoba retracting?

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Oh, got it.

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Btw it was a reaction test. Have fun getting owned and baited into self hammering.

What the fuck.x2

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UGH





























TACO
IF SEANZIE FLIPS GREEN

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If Seanzie flips town we throw Taco off a cliff.
If Seanzie flips scum we party and lim everyone in the PoE and probably win.

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Hold up, what info does Shrek know about Taco?

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Shrek is informed of cop

Ah.

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wait why is shrek informed of coo

Their role I guess?

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SPEEDLIM MANATEE

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BEFORE SHE GETS ONLINE

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I'M PR

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VOTE: ManateeDude

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I'm pr with Manatee guilty speedlim her before she gets online I have a reason for this trust me vote Manatee please thank you.

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We need to lim Manatee before she gets online. I'm pr.

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There's no benefit to rush an elim here at all. Why do you want to rush it? There's no possibility for a scum vig because that is strictly non-normal

Yes there is please trust me.

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whats your role

I'm an investigative pr with an effectively 100% guilty on Manatee.

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My role has a huge drawback that gives scum info if I get a guilty.

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Oh wait I think I know what's going on. It's not going to work T3 because I'm town.

I am basically contown to another player.

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My role is Combined X Y. The X part is a weak investigative with the potential for false innos. The Y part is a weak role that is almost always seen in town. Combined together if I get a guilty then scum get info.

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I would switch Kyo and Titus probably but sure.

Same.

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Manatee is confirmed scum at E-1. Vote Manatee.

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Also before hammer I just wanna say Taco you are ridiculous but also I'm stupid for believing your claim at all. Seanzie was right it was dumb

hah never doing that again(within the next 6 month period)

*next game with koba on another alt*: guys i have a guilty on everyone

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scum: kill someone in my PoE who is scumreading me hard to try to incriminate me

my townreads: fuck up the game hard by having based night actions

capitalism

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Nice.

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uh




[visibly not buying it]

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Claims:
Even Night Traffic Analyst
2-shot Jailkeeper
My role which is conftown to Dwlee.
Even Night Gunsmith [CONFTOWN]
Vig
Granted, my role is very weak if I get a guilty but 5 prs in a 13 player game???

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This is a scumslip if I've ever seen one.

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This is a scumslip if I've ever seen one.

Alright, explain to me. What reason would I, as scum, claim a PR when I'm not even in danger of being voted out? And why would I do it in my first game outside of newbie, I have no clue what would be a safe claim

Well you're lined up to be eliminated tomorrow

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So Lucifer is an alt. Got it.

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Problem with that, assume that there's even one scum outside of that, they'll be the one doing the nk so it doesn't get blocked

I'm confirmed town. Dwlee is obvtown by play and partilly mech cleared by me. Shrek is very towny by play and Even Night Traffic Analyst is way outside of their scumrange. Taco is partially mech cleared by Shrek unless they're traitor, in which case they can't perform the factional kill.
That leaves Zyla, Kyo, Lucifer, Titus.

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What if:
Lucifer slot vigges Zyla.
Dwlee check Kyo.
Zyla jails Titus.
Would this be autowin?

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Basically, Dwlee is a pr. I'm confirmed town to Dwlee independently of that. Dwlee isn't confirmed town to me but he mightas well be.

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I'm actually thinking Kyo might be evil over Titus because of the being logged on and not hammering last night.

There are a variety of rl reasons. idk

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That's true t3. Uh also did I get rolecopped

?

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Unless there are Traitor shenanigans Taco is probably town.

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That's true t3. Uh also did I get rolecopped

?

Except if someone dies and you flip town we know Kyo did the kill. Hmm we could rearrange the names maybe.

Why would Kyo do the kill if you're

tracking

them?

lmao

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I'm not pr.

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There was already a hammer.

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Yeah, trai.
Still though, I think this is the optimal play because if Zyla doesn't die it outs Lucifer as scum. Unless scum have an rber or Zyla jails Lucifer.

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We're basically 100% tracking you.

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Speedlim Manatee kind of defeated the whole purposed because osuka isn't here lol

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*then the scumteam is me taco dwlee shrek*

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*then the scumteam is me taco dwlee shrek*

we have already won I am your traitor

I cc traitor

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I'll phone my scumpartner to kill you.

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rip

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:goodpocketing:

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I cc mod