Situation Room [Game Over!]

[Titus]

I understand you voting on that basis Uno, but I feel T3 spewed A50 town and that's the associative I am playing with. Can you take a look at T3?

Also, can you explain how Solo fits in?

[Titus]

I feel T3 just spewed A50 as town.

How?

Rants repeatedly about me/A50 scum. Yet votes on the counterwagon and sheeps me.

[UNOwen]

I understand you voting on that basis Uno, but I feel T3 spewed A50 town and that's the associative I am playing with. Can you take a look at T3?

Also, can you explain how Solo fits in?

Solo reasoning for the town read on Gamma was weak but the read lasted from his first post all the way to his replace out. This is in the context of Dannflor and Oka town reads being reexamined, so he wasn't the type of player to park a read and then forget about it. His Bell read also lasted throughout his posts but I think it's easier to imagine someone arriving at a solid Bell town read than a Gamma one. Could be he had other reasons that weren't mentioned and he was just wrong but considering Almost50's posts as well I feel that scum is the more likely answer.

From what I skimmed T3 was correct that the tonal mismatch I saw was NAI. Other than those two posts he's coming across the same as he did in our previous game where he was town. Esoteric logic jumps are apparently a feature of his play, I'm not sure that by itself can be used to determine his alignment. If he's scum he's also making some questionable moves. So town lean worth revisiting but I don't think he's the correct execution for today anyway, and it will be easier to determine his alignment with more flips.

[UNOwen]

Rants repeatedly about me/A50 scum. Yet votes on the counterwagon and sheeps me.

I can see why you'd say this makes him scum for being willing to sheep a scum read, but why would it suggest A50 town?
If T3 is scum and he's saying A50's scum but voting the counterwagon that would seem more likely to be partner indicative than anything.

[Titus]

Rants repeatedly about me/A50 scum. Yet votes on the counterwagon and sheeps me.

I can see why you'd say this makes him scum for being willing to sheep a scum read, but why would it suggest A50 town?
If T3 is scum and he's saying A50's scum but voting the counterwagon that would seem more likely to be partner indicative than anything.

I can see that but it's not the first time he sheeped me. He also followed me onto Yuri and that one I find partner indicative.

[Bingle]

How come LurksackManos is sliding by?

I only have the one vote, and CB hasn't shown up or been replaced yet.

Why has your love for saying my name cooled?

It doesn't look like monkey is going to obvtown, but I'm vaguely okay with his townreads list for now. Monkey, if town, you should not self vote. Town wants live people on wagon.

[FakeGod]

but I'm vaguely okay with his townreads list for now.

dude... his scum/null list is literally the list of people who are voting him

[Bingle]

As for my TRs, add Titus to the list of Bingle, Oka, STD, GL, DGB, Yuri & Bell (although Yuri is now a considerably weaker TR than the rest)

Which names here do you disagree with?

[FakeGod]

no clue

[GuiltyLion]

Also, you are lamenting your inaccurate reads, but also demanding that people follow them.

I like this point. I also don't know if I believe A50's conviction in his FakeGod scumread in general, he's done very little to case it or explain it and most players aren't scumreading him so I would expect a fair bit more selling that read if A50 was town and really wanted to make sure FG went down after his flip. The only thing I see in his ISO is hypocrisy about quickhammering (which I don't buy as scum-indicative at all) and this post:

OK, maybe not.. (except for the readlist itself), so let;s just say the quick!hammer is my only reason for now (as trying to remember why I had him as SR would require me to reread his ISO)

so it doesn't feel like the confidence in his read matches the confidence in his dying will

also I was inclined to give A50 some town credit for defending Titus when I was throwing suspicion her way earlier, but now I think Titus is just town and that may have been an attempt to riff on something easy to make himself look solvey or to pocket Titus

[GuiltyLion]

all of UNOwen's recent posts are good too which makes me feel significantly better about the a50 wagon comp

[Bingle]

I firmly believe that Gamma's 1123 and leading up to it came from scum trying to give bs reasons to push a town (CB).

Okay, let's talk about this.

I think that the lead up to 1123 looks more like a soft defense of CB than a reason to push him. Similarly, the actual vote has the biggest escape hatch I've ever seen attached to it. GE doesn't start pushing CB as scum until 1144 and that's as a weak attempt to tie Dusa's alignment to CB. Given the Dusa/CB interactions, I'm inclined to think this is more likely scum trying to get a mislim out of losing a partner. It could be a throwaway to deflect suspicion from himself with both town, but I think that's unlikely given the OMGUS nature of the read.

I don't see this as a particular commitment or push to get CB to lim. Is there a reason you do, or do you think CB is spewed town because GE wasn't really trying to get the elimination there?

[Bingle]

Also, why would we not use the 8 neighborhood to kill folk? Did I miss a conversation?

This is potentially a scumslip, even though I'm like 90% sure it's not actually a scumslip, btw. I just want to mark this to come back if Bell flips scum in the endgame.

[GuiltyLion]

I think I prefer A50 now here

I agree with Bingle that Gamma/CB interactions don't stand out as especially T-S or non-partnery, I don't think Gamma played in a way to fight for his life at Cupcake's expense. That said, I think FG makes a good point that both Solo/A50 defending Gamma slot feels less likely to come from two independent townies. A50's pivot to shading the Gamma wagon to lumping Gamma in with scumreads looks suspicious as well. So while I can imagine CB being a Gamma partner, I don't have quite as compelling reasons for it as I do A50

This is where I'd vote A50 but I don't wanna steal DGB's spot on that wagon necessarily if it wants it back, and I'm also thinking we should negotiate wagon composition as currently the A50 wagon is a lot of the same voters as the Gamma wagon (another good reason to vote A50 over CB) and I still kinda want Bingle/Bell in a hood.

[Bell]

Also, why would we not use the 8 neighborhood to kill folk? Did I miss a conversation?

This is potentially a scumslip, even though I'm like 90% sure it's not actually a scumslip, btw. I just want to mark this to come back if Bell flips scum in the endgame.

I only scum slip as town. This is well documented.

[Bell]

I’m not unaware that the a50 wagon is cleaner btw. I still think they’re more likely to be scum than A50. It should be noted that besides me, I don’t see anyone defending A50.

Dgb has a point about lavar.

[Bell]

Though it depends on the plist IMO.
I would like to add ftr
And I say this as an uninformed player,
That A50’s approach and contradictory positions aren’t really that rare for A50 when it comes to gamma. I know he’s misread Gamma before and that might result in strong reversals.

[Bell]

Woops, post got deleted because I’m in the mountains. I meant abrupt lukewarm reversals. I think it’s relatively but not perfectly in line with his town meta to approach his wagon this way. Though this is just a rough sketch of it. So i’m not confident in it.

[FakeGod]

It should be noted that besides me, I don’t see anyone defending A50.

are you blind

bingle's defending him like a mad man

Titus's trying to derail the shit out of it too

[FakeGod]

alright I've read the CB stuff and I'm down to get rid of him too

we can do it tomorrow

[FakeGod]

Most curious about the scumreads rn

I saw this while going through Gamma ISO and I thought Lavar was town because of this post

[Dusa]

VOTE: Almost50

[Dusa]

I am bad!
Don't murder me Almost50!

[Bingle]

bingle's defending him like a mad man

I'm really not.

I'm poking elsewhere, but monkey hasn't towntold or indicated a likeliness to towntell in the near future, and I'm okay with the lim. I'm more delaying for the sake of other reads.

[northsidegal]

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