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[geraintm]

hello all, think half of us have just come from my last game.

not going to straight up claim vanilla townie in my first post this time.......

[geraintm]

oh. 2+2+1+5=10

[geraintm]

sorry about catching scum after 3 posts

no, congrats!

wait...what??

[geraintm]

I should have inned for this on an alt. That way no one will know that I am behind them with a bloodstained knife.

VOTE: t3

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gerain just claimed scum again

Yep, every game i say I am town, every game I get run up and successful caught as vanilla town scum....

You've got my number for sure

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VOTE: gerain
Tbh the pointing out of the not claiming vt thing feels weird to me.

I'm not sure how to do this.

Last game - which you were in - I claimed VT and everyone seemed to shout at me. This game, I said I wasn't straight up claiming vanilla town people say I am suspicious!

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Setup analysis time

@DGB you’re pretty old. Does ‘miller who was informed that there’s a macho 2-shot cop’ make sense from a balance perspective?

Apart from claims by myself, does anyone take seriously any claim made in the first 10 pages?

[geraintm]

Sorry, have acquired a puppy today.
Do not expect quality posts from me today
VOTE: dripping goof ball

[geraintm]

Sorry, have acquired a puppy today.
Do not expect quality posts from me today
VOTE: dripping goof ball

Nice, what breed?

CockerPoo. Called.ginny

[geraintm]

Ugh I hate we're still in RVS.

Vote me if you have to.

Ok I’m going to take the bait here. VOTE: Titus

No wait let’s see if this goes anywhere
VOTE: Excallq

these votes/posts suck

[geraintm]

truly i dont mind pressuring active slots VOTE: rannygazoo

You were already voting this slot

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VOTE: Roden

Who do you think is the best vote to shake things up?

i hate this post

If DGB is mafia or traitor, then by associating with me, it can clear itself if I'm eliminated and you see I'm town.

How does that work?

Quantum Mafchanics.

i liek this post

i'm bred by the drama from overnight. i dont think it leads anywhere today

[geraintm]

Or maybe Jessèca hasn't been paying much attention to the game (which explains why they got prodded) so they gave out something quick and dirty so that theybwouldn't get repped.

Still replacements and prod dodgers tend to be scum so DGB has a point.

dont like this from titus, feels plucked from the air to justify a quick elimination

I disagree, there probably is a traitor in the game and the scum accidentally let that information slip..

this i hate. i just think it is trying to sow confusion and isn't helpful.

Cw was prodded six times in our last game.

How does that even happen... I thought it was a three-strike system?

It was a newbie game and the mod was focused on retaining new players. (And maybe the mod didn't want to bring anyone new into such a miserable game.)

You can already see the pattern with cw: apologize for being inactive, post something that proves he's not following, bounce, repeat. Just eliminate the slot.

happy to do this if there is enough traction for it

[geraintm]

VOTE: cw

[geraintm]

ig i might claim but this is ridiculous and ur sheeping ranny too much

This sort of post isn't going to help right now. Delaying a claim so you can confer in your private thread isn't a good look

[geraintm]

their interaction didn't seem like a buss to me

Ranny bussing you? They are the first name on your wagon?

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I don't think scum has a private thread in this game. That's what I assume no default day talk means, unless that refers to something else?

i literally had no idea what you meant by this when i read it, had to go back and read the Mod's posts.

ig i might claim but this is ridiculous and ur sheeping ranny too much

This sort of post isn't going to help right now. Delaying a claim so you can confer in your private thread isn't a good look

I will say, I think this is the most proactive I've seen you be on Day 1. I'm hesitant on whether I should judge your alignment from that though.

is it?
well, must mean i'm extra special non-Vanilla townie in this game then...

im the town doc
i can only doc town
this might be useful in combination with a vig but it looks like it's too late

I've been inactive because I had a bunch of end-ofschool year stuff and minimal time to access the thread
that's the meta difference
please don't hang tho bcuz i can contribute ur literally just pling me because im inactive

UNVOTE:

if you were the doc, you should never ever have allowed yourself to get run up so easily like that....

I ain't voting for Cw or Titus this game

[geraintm]

What changed your mind about Titus, geraint?

the bit with the modifier.

[geraintm]

Way too much drama to catch up with overnight.

Way too much speculating about the set-up too. Mods like spicing things up, if peoplencoukd break a scenario off one claim, this game would be way too easy. Just let day 2 come and then things will start to become clearer.

3 equal sized wagons at the moment, don't know which way to turn

[geraintm]

Game's slowing down again.

If Jessica is scum then she's a really good scum player. All of her posts seem town indicative and logically sound.

Dislike this post. Posting to say you cannot tell if someone is really good scum or just town is zero percent helpful and actively unhelpful as it allows you to show doubt on your read of them in the future

[geraintm]

Game's slowing down again.

If Jessica is scum then she's a really good scum player. All of her posts seem town indicative and logically sound.

Dislike this post. Posting to say you cannot tell if someone is really good scum or just town is zero percent helpful and actively unhelpful as it allows you to show doubt on your read of them in the future

Did you read my follow up post...?

Yes

[geraintm]

Game's slowing down again.

If Jessica is scum then she's a really good scum player. All of her posts seem town indicative and logically sound.

Game's slowing down again.

If Jessica is scum then she's a really good scum player. All of her posts seem town indicative and logically sound.

Dislike this post. Posting to say you cannot tell if someone is really good scum or just town is zero percent helpful and actively unhelpful as it allows you to show doubt on your read of them in the future

Did you read my follow up post...?

Yes

Then what makes you think that I said I can't tell if Jessica is scum or not? I just said I heavily town read her.

If I want to show doubt on my reads in the future, I'll just do it. I don't need to plant seeds just to justify a read later on.

If Jessica is scum then she's a really good scum player. All of her posts seem town indicative and logically sound.

This

[geraintm]

VOTE: not mafia

[geraintm]

This is exciting.
I'm just hear with popcorn hoping not mafia gets day 1 eliminated for the first time in living memory

[geraintm]

Oh hey, I can finally ego.

About to start my work day so uh, don’t expect much for a lil bit. Got some catching up to do.

who were yuo?

[geraintm]

not much to say until everyone of interest says what happened....

[geraintm]

Oh hey, I can finally ego.

About to start my work day so uh, don’t expect much for a lil bit. Got some catching up to do.

who were yuo?

worked it out - bugspray

[geraintm]

not much to say until everyone of interest says what happened....

Who is of interest?

CW

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VOTE: T3[/votes]

Let's get some votes down.

this feels like a pointless direction to go down at the moment

[geraintm]

VOTE: T3

I don't. If you feel there's a better direction, lay your vote down there please.

im still waiting for CW to enter the day. i feel like some explanation from them on what happened last night is needed

[geraintm]

i'm being honest, i voted Not Mafia for shits and giggles
the prod is awkward....

[geraintm]

-Geraint in general is an interesting choice for your scum pool. Your slot scum read him as well, but also backed off a few posts later and stopped pressuring him when other players began to do so. You're doing something similar, as you're scum reading him but giving zero reason why and putting zero pressure on him. Why is this?

KA if you believe Geraint is scum, then I'm down to vote him.

VOTE: Geraint

KA is putting me in their scum pile because i am waiting for people to post today before things happen - specifically CW.
KA also says

CW needs to pipe up before we go anywhere today though, I think.

so, i'm like going to ignore KidAmn's view on me.

Roden and KidAmn are not in my town pile at the moment....

[geraintm]

@roden

I didnt vote as I am waiting for cw to actually enter the game

[geraintm]

@titus why do you think I am scum? I've not worked outbwhat the case is against me yet

[geraintm]

Also, side note but I think there's a pretty good chance CW is going to replace out since he still hasn't posted. We might not know what happened with him for another day.

Their replacement will know their actions right?

[geraintm]

I havent brought anything to the table because no point until cw told us what happened. I've said that all the way through ,,not my fault they flaked

[geraintm]

Quick post, but man you guys all suck(except scum, you dont). Who ever was town on that wagon should be ashamed of themselves. I can't think of a collective town day worse than that.
I have almost zero energy to bother the rest of the game

[geraintm]

Nope, i am letting none of you off.

Me "i aint doing anything until the doc chimes in"
Others "That is suspicious, why don't you hunt for scum?"
Me "nope, i want every player to chip in, especially the claimed doc so we know what they did last night"
Others "Nah, thats sus"
Me "I aint doing anything..."
Others "Yeah, we are just going to go ahead and eliminate someone...whoops they were town"

I aint going to stop posting, i have so much to vent at people.

like, this game is pretty much unwinnable now but ive got to go through with it, but guillotining yesterday just the dumbest thing i've had in a game since i played with someone called Max...

If anyone thinks i am scum now btw, then you are even more doomed. that would have meant only 2 scum were on the wagon and there was one more townie who was happy to push through the elimination....

[geraintm]

yeah, after yesterday it is now clear to not vote through an elimination until everyone checks in....

[geraintm]

Day 1 vote

Not_Mafia (7):
Egix96 - still alive
VFP still alive
Rannygazoo still alive
geraintm - town
Jessica Rabbit dead town
Jake the Wolfie still alive
Titus still alive

only one person on the wagon dead


DAy 2

KidAmn (6):

Rannygazoo - on both wagons
Roden
T3
Egix96 - on both wagons
VFP - on both wagons
DrippingGoofball

i'm gonna look at the three on both wagons as my starting point...

[geraintm]

what claims or half claims have been made?

[geraintm]

claims i think are out there:

roden has a unrevealed role
there is a neighbour somewhere?
there is a cop somewhere?
jack the wolfie has an unrevealed role

[geraintm]

I have a theory. Now I know the last time I said this we ended up limming the doctor but I have a theory.
All the other prs out today.
The cop claims vt,the outs tomorrow.

you were on the wagon yesterday. i trust your theory about as far as i can throw an elephant...

[geraintm]

Cstching up this morning, won't be able to post much else until tonight. Man this game is more full of dumb people than a bag of hammers....

I'm kinda trusting the JOAT claim, because not believing it will lead to town losing. I'm just going to trust it because it might make a solve possible.

More later

[geraintm]

Just posting to say you (town) are a bunch of muppetd

[geraintm]

Ranny, we have some amazing news for you.

Over the course of last night, Me, Egix, and VFP (in seperate but now the same) chat have pretty much solved the game.

I will reveal that I am a Town Mason with VFP, and with the added knowledge that Egix is probably town, that means that the scum can only be Titus, DGB, and Geraintm. All 3 of us have agreed to axe Geraintm today.

you have to be f'ing kidding me.

you think i, by sitting back on the sidelines and begging everyone to not do exactly what they did, was running some sort of reverse psychology masterclass.

please can this game be over so i can go sign up for another where i plan to not even try and deliberately try and screw town over as fast as i can because that seems to be all anyone in this game wants to do...

[geraintm]

We know we are dealing with a scumteam that's good arms steering/herding the town into yeeting its own.

I'm not sure. Two of the three eliminations were town imploding.

Not three out of three?

day 1 means nothing.#
the other 2 days were just high level incompetence

[geraintm]

• DrippingGoofball
  
• Titus
  
• cw357**
  
• Rannygazoo
  
• Jake The Wolfie
  
• Egix96
  
• geraintm
  
• VFP

I assume 3 scum... 5 townies. It will be an uphill battle for the town to fight the scum to actually yeet one of them.

What is this post?
Cw is dead.
There are 7 players left. It takes 4 to eliminate, with assumed 3 scum one misplaced vote is game over I believe???

[geraintm]

If yoy are thinking it is 5 vs 3 and 2 wrong votes are needed for a miselimination....no wonder town sucks so hard this game

[geraintm]

coming back to the game after the weekend.
there doesn't seem to be much new info coming out.
my assumption then is that there are no more roles to pop out and we are going to have to luck our way to 3 successful eliminations in a row.

i'll try and look at the wagons later today to see who is most likely to be scum.

[geraintm]

of the people left in the game

Jake the wolfie is Mason
VFP is mason
Egix is Neighborizer Strongman Finder

is anyone doubting these three claims and that they are all town?

If so, that leaves

DrippingGoofball, Titus, Rannygazoo

who must all be scum.

Titus has voted VFP in 1032. the game has not ended since then (i am making the assumption that there are 7 players left, 4 town and 3 scum, so any misvote by town is game ending as we go to 3 scum 3 town left) so at least one is scum

Ranny

Part of me wants to trust Roden’s mechanical clear of DGB, and another part of me wants to yeet DGB for sabotaging town’s information in a way scum normally only wishes they could.

can someone explain this post to me, i don't follow it.

I want to vote Titus and get one scum gone today, can people (mainly Jake and VFP) pick holes in my logic

[geraintm]

Fuck it, time to claim.

I'm a Jack of All Trades, but I won't yet say all of my abilities. This is why I played so chaotically, at least on Day 1. I needed a way to keep myself alive and I figured if I made myself a potential scapegoat for scum, they wouldn't target me. This is also why I picked a few fights, I wanted to see who'd bite so I'd have a better idea of who to Cop check.

On Night 1 I investigated Ranny using my Cop check, who came back as

Innocent

. Sorry that I messed with you so much Day 1, my intention was that if you turned up guilty, my continued push on you would look natural, and if you came up innocent then scum would leave both of us alive to fight and draw focus.

On Night 2, I used my Vig shot on DGB, because of course I'm going to after literally everything that happened. Seeing as the CW slot is now confirmed as a Town Loyal Doctor, I think it's safe to assume the replacement player read the situation and figured if we had a Vig, then they're most likely to shoot DGB after the hammer. So I'm confident DGB is now Town.

Scum could have a galaxy brain and somehow know I had a bullet and that I was going to shoot Night 2 and Roleblocked me, but at this point they're more likely to think

I'm

the Traitor after causing so many disruptions and just generally being really bad at the game. Though if we have a Jailkeeper then they need to speak up if they jailed me or DGB.

Idk if I can prove my role since nothing affected the game, but Ranny and DGB are both confirmed town for me.

It's talking about this post. The "sabotage" from Dgb is it dropping the hammer before the doctor slot could be replaced, leaving us with no hint as to whom the doc could have targeted.

ok, gotcha.
do you doubt my logic on why Titus is scum, with the hanging vote on VFP that never got finished off?

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oh this is going to end so bad for town.

[geraintm]

In other words, there are lies within the claims.

if there ar elies within the claims, then no one should be voting anywehre.
why i have been very explicit asking the masons what they think

[geraintm]

In other words, there are lies within the claims.

if there ar elies within the claims, then no one should be voting anywehre.
why i have been very explicit asking the masons what they think

[geraintm]

VOTE: Geraintm

I'm not convinced that the solve isn't Titus, DGB, geraintm.

but you are convinced i am scum right?
i have sat here the last 2 days, done nothng to propel the game forward and left everyone else manage to do that. ive sat there and begged everyone not to do anything whilst the doctor was absent...and im scum.

im sitting here where we have to eliminate correctly or we lose, slowly asking people's opinions so no one blunders into anything stupid...but no one else appears to want to.

[geraintm]

fire off some quick thoughts.

the game should be over if town are voting for me. i am right in thinking if we dont eliminate scum today then we lose, right, it will be 3 vs 3 and we just lose then.

so, either the two votes for me are town and scum cannot get their two votes on me to eliminate me

or - the votes are scum.

i'll ask others to check my logic on this. and please do it from the poitn of view of that i am town.

the alternative is i am scum, and then we have the question of the titus vote on VFP and why that didn't generate a win for scum. because then if either the voter or votee is scum, scum should have been able to force through a miselimination there too.

i have a conclusion but i want to see if others come to the same one...and then how it hooks back up with the claims in the game.

[geraintm]

VOTE: Gera

Gera only deciding to do something on Elo. This is scum.

Pedit I just was

dont say that, it isnt true.
i spent all of day 2 telling everyone not to do anything until the doctor chimed in. i was very clear why i wasnt doing anything. using this against me now...im not going to let you get away with it

[geraintm]

If either the voter or votee is scum, then the scum can't/won't quickhammer.

Titus would be the scum voter here.

you are correct, it could be that VFP is town and titus is scum.

except if VFP is town and has placed a vote on me, then scum would have forced an elimination onto me

[geraintm]

Geraintm, you were actively bringing the game to a halt because one player wasn't present, and now they're dead.
You wasted Day 2 doing fuck-all and we're supposed to believe that was town motivated?

yes, i was actively trying to bring day 2 to a halt to prevent the exact situation we ended up in, which was getting the doc killed that night with no information from them. to me, that is exactly town motivated.

[geraintm]

Geraintm, you were actively bringing the game to a halt because one player wasn't present, and now they're dead.
You wasted Day 2 doing fuck-all and we're supposed to believe that was town motivated?

yes, i was actively trying to bring day 2 to a halt to prevent the exact situation we ended up in, which was getting the doc killed that night with no information from them. to me, that is exactly town motivated.

You wanted no progress to be made at all, on anyone at all, until one player showed up. CW50 wasn't even the target for execution, but you still wanted 0 progress yo be made for who we should execute, assuming (and this is really important) that CW dies silent.

If either the voter or votee is scum, then the scum can't/won't quickhammer.

Titus would be the scum voter here.

you are correct, it could be that VFP is town and titus is scum.

except if VFP is town and has placed a vote on me, then scum would have forced an elimination onto me

If VFP is town, then by you not being quickhammered means that you are scum.

i am not going to have anyone accuse me of wanting to wait on Day 2 until the claimed doc actually turned up is a scummy thing to do.

ok, you do realise your logic working backwards from me being town means VFP is scum though right?
this feels like if we can get a succesful elimination today then we might be able to roll up the rest in short order.

need more people to contribute and pick apart my logic - and people to be wary of people poking holes in it doing so from the assumption i am scum.
i think i am painting a consistent picture from my point of view and the limited knowledge i have and i need others - working from the same assumption i am - on where i am going wrong.

[geraintm]

I don't feel as secure on Egix scum.

Also, I'm pretty sure geratim is locktown given both "masons" are voting there.

Wait, so who does this leave as the 3rd scum in your solve? I'm confirmed town by Roden, DBG is almost confirmed town...

I'm not solving the game today. I was a little early to call g locktown but he's highly likely town. I am going for the obvious scum and going forward from there. Egix can be scum but I am not as certain. That does not mean I TR Egix.

titus, as you have the vote on VFP i'd appreciate it if you could check my logic.

if you assume i am town

then VFP + Jake are scum, because otherwise scum would have joined the wagon to eliminate me

this is consistent with if you are town voting for VFP why scum have not joined the wagon on VFP to eliminate them for the win

the alternative is

I am scum
this means that Jake and VFP are both town.
this means that you have to be scum, because if you are town i would have joined your vote along with my two partners for the win.

i think there are some other scenarios where both VFP and Jake are scum and you are scum too and that is why none of the wagons have succeeded yet.

is the above making sense? where does my logic fall down?

[geraintm]

Jake and VFP were both on the not mafia wagon day 1
vfp was on the kidan day 2, VFP was off
day 3, both were on

[geraintm]

@geratim, There also may be a problem with scheduling for a quickhammer in all scenarios.

the game has gone through enough time now that scum could have just gotten the votes together. it didnt even need to be quick, they would have just got there.

[geraintm]

I don't feel as secure on Egix scum.

Also, I'm pretty sure geratim is locktown given both "masons" are voting there.

Wait, so who does this leave as the 3rd scum in your solve? I'm confirmed town by Roden, DBG is almost confirmed town...

I'm not solving the game today. I was a little early to call g locktown but he's highly likely town. I am going for the obvious scum and going forward from there. Egix can be scum but I am not as certain. That does not mean I TR Egix.

titus, as you have the vote on VFP i'd appreciate it if you could check my logic.

if you assume i am town

then VFP + Jake are scum, because otherwise scum would have joined the wagon to eliminate me

this is consistent with if you are town voting for VFP why scum have not joined the wagon on VFP to eliminate them for the win

the alternative is

I am scum
this means that Jake and VFP are both town.
this means that you have to be scum, because if you are town i would have joined your vote along with my two partners for the win.

i think there are some other scenarios where both VFP and Jake are scum and you are scum too and that is why none of the wagons have succeeded yet.

is the above making sense? where does my logic fall down?

The logic on if you're town is solid.

If you are scum, VFP and Jake do not have to be town. They could be bussing to set up a win.

The setup where I am scum with the masons is an outside possibility to anyone else in theory but should be excluded based on our interactions today.

unless someone comes up with a very good reason for me not to, i plan join you in voting VFP tomorrow night.

[geraintm]

scum are winning because town was dumb. i honestly think we can pull this back though

[geraintm]

VOTE: vfp
I have seen nothing overnight to not do this vote

[geraintm]

I am sorry if this loses the game and scum pile onto my vote onto another townie, but the arguments I see coming from what I believe to be thebscum pair just don't make any sense to me.

[geraintm]

I actually nearly posted last night that i was happy to be the next person who voted, to take the pressure off others. (And also beg no one to vote for anyone besides the existing wagobs)
But I thought that a little egotistical

[geraintm]

Well, uh, speak of the devil, I guess?

i also take exception to being called a Devil

[geraintm]

I didn't mean it like that, sorry. It's just a figure of speech.

i put a smiley face! i wasnt being serious

[geraintm]

Titus, DrippingGoofball, and geraintm.

I remain unconvinced that your declaration from above should be taken seriously. You are welcome to convince me that I am wrong, but at most one of those 3 can be town. I am currently convinced that 0 of those 3 are town.

i agree that me and Titus are the same alignment. i just know we are town

If anyone outside the VFP/Jake pair are considering voting for me (and by implication Titus) can you please ask me to explain all my past actions that you want me to and i will do my best before you go ahead and place that vote.

[geraintm]

i still dont think the case against me from VFP/JAke is anything more than "Geraint tried to stall out day 2 and that is scummy"

[geraintm]

i hope no one (apart from VFP/Jake) are going to make a claim that i am today trying my very best to be above board, with all my logic in the open and willing to engage with anyone about how i see the game

[geraintm]

If you are town, then the solve is Titus, geraintm, and Egix.

How did you come to this solution? What led you to place your vote on me in a eliminate correctly or lose situation? I still don't understand the case on me which is not just "Loud voices!"

[geraintm]

Please explain what I was doing day 1 that was scummy

[geraintm]

I'm playing dumb with these two.
I would appreciate it if others join

[geraintm]

Join in the general conversation, because otherwise the narrative is just going to be them 2 vs me and ill lose through noise

[geraintm]

Though I've been finding geraintm especially townie...

It is easy to appear town when you are.

And I suck at being scum, I am nothing like this (to me at least)

What questions do you have for me that I can answer about my actions over the game to reassure you I am indeed town?

[geraintm]

Oh this is so embarrassing

Post of the game

[geraintm]

I'm playing dumb with these two.
I would appreciate it if others join

What is this even trying to say?
You and Titus are pushing together. There's no town mindset of playing AtE by trying to look out numbered.

i am pointedly asking you two very basic questions - like when was i scummy day 1 - because i want to force you two to put into words for everyone to read the basis for your argument against me.
i'll note that you two did not answer this very basic question.

i still want to know what i did day 1 that was scummy.

because i know what you two think was scummy about my behavious about day 2 - wanting to slow the game down until the doc actually posted - and that is an objectivly bad reason
and my day 3 scumminess is allegedly that i was trying to stall for time and get Ranny to vote first.

[geraintm]

going through VFPs posts to see what stands out
.

Most of the first 30 or so are casting a fair amount of suspicions and giving themselves reasons to eliminate a bunch of people

VOTE: gerain
Tbh the pointing out of the not claiming vt thing feels weird to me.

I'm not sure how to do this.

Last game - which you were in - I claimed VT and everyone seemed to shout at me. This game, I said I wasn't straight up claiming vanilla town people say I am suspicious!

It would be a bold move for Scum Gera to try this tactic.

So far in the VFP block

Gera
Bugs
Jake
Titus
T3
Roden
Egix
Ex

so early on i am not seen as scum, but top of their town block

So I like T3, Jake, and cw as town.
DGB and Titus town lean too.

I'm trying to work out Gera here, and if their new style either align is this or not.
I just don't see the gain as scum Gera though.

VOTE: Rodrn

I'm not against a Gera vote but I think Roden has a better chance of flipping red.
I also don't really want T3 to be the lim.

i take these as weird posts, giving themselves wriggle room to vote for me but for unknown reasons

Weekend stuff.

VOTE: Kidamn

Thats E1

779 looks to be lining up T3 if KA is town? Scum flip probably paints Egix as town though.
But it's about time we got some pressure going.

i beleive this is day 2 and VFP pushing a wagon to 1 away, despite knowing that the Doc has not appeared all day. this is awful

I read that very different.

What was your interpretation?

The plan was just bad and basically confirmed cw when a vig wasn't known, and even now no sign of a vig.
The response just seems to be Jake disagree that it works imo.

The wording of Jake shows the opposit of hinting to vig and basically confirming he's not a vig. Otherwise there's not holes in the plan, and he can just ask why could there be a vig.

adding this because it is an interaction with Jake.....

VOTE: T3

Thats E1.
I don't believe town T3 lies here and I've never seen it before.

another push to 1 off elimination

VOTE: Gera

Gera only deciding to do something on Elo. This is scum.

Pedit I just was

This is now in Day 3. it follows a vote on me from JAke

Ranny, we have some amazing news for you.

Over the course of last night, Me, Egix, and VFP (in seperate but now the same) chat have pretty much solved the game.

I will reveal that I am a Town Mason with VFP, and with the added knowledge that Egix is probably town, that means that the scum can only be Titus, DGB, and Geraintm. All 3 of us have agreed to axe Geraintm today.

VFPs vote for me was actually their 6th post after Jake's vote for me. for a trio who has decided i was ripe for elimination...why was it so slow.
and the case against me appears to be "didn't do anything until we are in the end game" - which is true - BECAUSE I SPENT THE WHOLE OF DAY 2 SAYING DONT DO ANYTHING UNTIL THE DOC APPEARS IN THREAD BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL DO SOMETHING STUPID OTHERWISE
and then day 3 T3 got eliminated whilst i was asleep

but day 3, i had already been organising my thoughts, trying to get all the data sorted so i could work out who best o vote for before the jake/vfp wagon came along on me.

what to say....

i don't know the case against me is anything more than a fake push based on stuff which, to me, was incredibly sensible (like not wanting to do anything day 2).

my case in return is based on the implications of wagons not going through if the people voting were town. to me, my logic seems much more fact based rather than the accudations that i have been scummy during the game. and i have asked people repeatedly to ask me questions so i can defend myself but it has not been forthcoming. the accusations are just being left to linger and try and cover me in stink...

[geraintm]

yes yes, from your point of view i am sure you can make a case that me, titus and egix must be scum.
i am more and more certain your arguments on why we must be scum are just going to convince the other townies who really are scum though

[geraintm]

UNVOTE:
Egix, to help us decide between Titus and Gera if it comes to that, please tell us more about what Jake said when you suggested bringing Titus into the hood.

Ok, I’m out. You can sort the rest of the day out yourselves.

You don't decide between me and Titus. We are clearly the same alignment.
You choose between me and Titus or vfp/jake

[geraintm]

This is me not voting

At this point there were three votes on vfp.

[geraintm]

What is happening?

[geraintm]

Like....indont know what is happening....

[geraintm]

Like....indont know what is happening....

They were outed scum when Egix didn't hammer.

Ranny isn't scum.
DGB didn't hammer VFP.
Egix didn't hammer VFP.
Jake was claiming masons with VFP.

That left the two of them with a scum existing solely of me and geratim. That doesn't work.

Oh, I knew they were scum and I pointed out very clearly egix not voting to shown to people they were.
I didnt realise they would self vote like that though and the mason traitor claim confused me.

[geraintm]

I will be obviously voting jake today. I dont have time today to go through old wagons to deduce who the last scum is, bitbi suspect not too much point as one of us is goijg tonight so mise well save that work till we are down to 3

[geraintm]

Also, I've never entered a day before we a confirmed scum, this is really weird

[geraintm]

Curious if anyone thinks yesterday could have happened if I was scum with jake and vfp?

[geraintm]

I suppose technically that we could have been faking a fight between 2 sets of scum, but I cant see the logic behind it. The sole purpose of the day for scum was to get one misplaced vote onto a townie and a scum vs scum fight doesn't do that.

Pretty much the reason why I have Titus down as town.

[geraintm]

For me to be scum i think has to ignore how yesterday went down. There is (to me) zero possibility that scum would have got caught up in a fight like that at eliminate correctly or lose. All it needed was scum to sit and wait for one misplaced vote to win.

[geraintm]

I still don't get how the scum outed each other.

I dont have time today and kn phone, but basically there were 3 votes placed somewhere but multiple people didn't hammer. One of the votes was a confirmed townie, and it meant that the person being voted for had to be scum, otherwise one of the people who posted in thread had to be scum and would have hammered onto a townie.
And because that outed the person with 3 votes as scum, it meant the person they had faled a mason claim with had to be scum too, so 2 were caught and why we know who dies today

[geraintm]

I'm just planning on spending the rest of today to get everyone left to agree that the chances of me being scum are so tiny, that scum have to eliminate me tonight and then I won't be in the awkward vote tonorrow and someone else can work it out.

[geraintm]

I am happy to move on now, we are just speculating and giving the unknown scum time to confuse us.

VOTE: jake

[geraintm]

I dont believe j make it alive till tomorrow, so go town

[geraintm]

Buh bye Jake, it was nice knowing ya...

[geraintm]

Hello. I am 95% to not vote titus

[geraintm]

Posted the above before I realised you had been all posting
I’m not scum.
I’m townie, hence why in my opening post I said I will not be claiming vanilla townie this game it was a joke to myself.

I need someone to explain how the day we caught vfp makes any sense for me being scum with my supposed 2 partners voting for me.

[geraintm]

Dgb you think day 3 then vfp and jake spent their time in the private chat setting me up to be eliminated, and then sent the day trying to get someone to vote for me…..whilst I was voting for them….to set up a wifom situation in the last day rather than instead just pushing literally anyone else in the game?

[geraintm]

Because I need you to say that is what you believe happened so Titus can see your reasoning

[geraintm]

This is me not voting

This is why egix went last night. Scum doesn’t make that post, because scum know that the post is only useful to point at vfp and jake. Scum would instead not have posted

[geraintm]

Not sure I can answer that positively. I don’t believe anyone targeted me at any point in the game, and as a vt I can’t either.

[geraintm]

Day 2 I beg town to wait for the doc….wasn’t it dgb who accidentally hammered?
Day 3 I was pleased with my play, felt like the first time in a long time I was an active participant in the elimination of scum, me pointing out that there had been posts in thread that were interesting which forced jake/vfp to self hammer

[geraintm]

Vote dgb

[geraintm]

Mise well vote

[geraintm]

Well, Titus is con town

[geraintm]

I am so pleased I solved so much of the game day 3, getting 2 scum and another town

[geraintm]

Vote dgb

Here

[geraintm]

Ah, on iPod as phone has died (not battery, actually dead)VOTE: dgb

[geraintm]

If it is Titus who is scum here then he has fooled both of us and we were never winning

[geraintm]

But all the logic of vfp and jake would not have had their partner voting for them sticks for Titus too

[geraintm]

Ah duck sorry then

[geraintm]

Don’t I feel foolish

[geraintm]

No we got this!!!

[geraintm]

Go town go town

[geraintm]

Oh

[geraintm]

Well, don’t I look foolish

[geraintm]

Just read the dead thread