Situation Room [Game Over!]

[Almost50]

scum can pretty clearly venge phase II no?

a50 my lists were literally colored in the scum game as well lol

Not the ones I quoted. I mean, just 2 out of six.

Anyway, these are my impressions now,

Also, I don't think Scum can "venge" phase II, because Vengeful usually works only upon execution and not NKs. I could be wrong though as this isn't a Normal, but the role is still called VENGEFUL

[GuiltyLion]

don't be facetious, it's not a good look on you

there was a point there though, why are you whining so much about the idea of leashing neighborhoods if you're not exercising any agency with your vote anyways

[northsidegal]

@Mod: Do scum who are shot in the neighborhood phase get a venge kill?

Yes.

[Titus]

hmmm I hadn't fully considered this - does the venge stop? I was under impression scum could venge even in the second phase, the role PM seems to suggest it's any time after being eliminated

Being shot =/= being eliminated.

[Titus]

@Mod: Do scum who are shot in the neighborhood phase get a venge kill?

Yes.

Oh then I've been reading this wrong. Full reset after work.

[GuiltyLion]

I'm inclined to think this thought process from Titus is genuine and it's helping with doubts I had about her

[northsidegal]

Votecount 4.1

Target	Wagon
Yuri Gagarin (2)	GuiltyLion (2546), Titus (2552)
T3 (2)	Almost50 (2562), Yuri Gagarin (2568)
Not Voting (8)	FakeGod, Bingle, T3, OkaPoka, Save The Dragons, Dusa, DrippingGoofball, UNOwen

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate. The Day 4 deadline is in (expired on 2021-07-11 17:55:59).

[Yuri Gagarin]

don't be facetious, it's not a good look on you

there was a point there though, why are you whining so much about the idea of leashing neighborhoods if you're not exercising any agency with your vote anyways

because so far I haven't had to worry too much about the conflict between "this person seems town" and "this person is top wagon"

also, you made some sort of similar argument about how my vote doesn't mean anything/associative hunting is impossible bc I want to be on EoD wagon -- that's not true, although idk if you saw why, bc who I vote through the day or say I wanted limmed makes it possible to associative hunt as do my reads which I've not exactly been hiding or being unforthcoming about

[Yuri Gagarin]

there was another thing you said that bugged me too actually

[OkaPoka]

so im scum because my readslist is not colored im so done i dont even want to respond to anything

[Yuri Gagarin]

so basically Yuri is being cheeky/funny/philosophical to dodge having to give a direct reason as to why he doesn't want to play to win

oh right, this

I am playing to win? duh

[Almost50]

you can have hoods and normal scum hunting... its just choosing who to be on the wagon after we decided who to lim

Stupid Townies won't comply. Scum are unlikely to' but -at least- they'll try to not raise suspicion by going strongly against it (this is why some may join a bussing wagon early, which is why I disliked the "find the winning wagon and stick on it" argument.

Like, I think this LM wagon was PURE. The only MISLIM we had was the only wagon that didn't contain Scum on it. (Nothing is 100% but that's the way I think it is)

[Yuri Gagarin]

oka is very obviously town

[Yuri Gagarin]

I;ve seen oka spam post before as scum but I've never seen him be this much of a pain in the ass about mechanical advantage when scum before

[Bingle]

@Mod: Do scum who are shot in the neighborhood phase get a venge kill?

Yes.

That's....

Massively more scumsided than I thought it was. I probably wouldn't have signed up for this had I realized that.

[Yuri Gagarin]

let's kill T3 then A50

[OkaPoka]

how was that not evident bingle, nsg literally modelled this off as vengeful mafia lmfao

[OkaPoka]

my laughter is sarcastic my tilt is out of orbit

[GuiltyLion]

eh I forgot you did cover that on D2 Yuri, that's fine

I guess really my complaint is that it doesn't feel like you're caring about an outside player's perspective that inserting yourself into every hood is not visibly pro-town when we don't know your alignment

it's not necessarily anti-town if you ARE town, but you're basically unilaterally denying spots in neighborhoods or deciding votes on wagons because of how

you

want to experience the game (and the information those things can provide when other players do them, I would maintain that jumping onto any wagon that becomes the lead does still deny information about your slot and others - though fair point that you haven't townread any major wagon so far)

[OkaPoka]

i actually do not believe you genuinely thought scum couldnt venge like what? that setup is so breakable

[Bingle]

how was that not evident bingle, nsg literally modelled this off as vengeful mafia lmfao

Start at 40% EV. Add two massively scumsided mechanics. Expect playable game. What?

[Yuri Gagarin]

I guess really my complaint is that it doesn't feel like you're caring about an outside player's perspective that inserting yourself into every hood is not visibly pro-town when we don't know your alignment

correct, i am not

[OkaPoka]

yes, this is how nsg designs game. she made baton pass ffs, adding scumsided mechanics have the purpose of letting town figuring out the puzzle of removing that disadvantage

[GuiltyLion]

how was that not evident bingle, nsg literally modelled this off as vengeful mafia lmfao

Start at 40% EV. Add two massively scumsided mechanics. Expect playable game. What?

perhaps I'm mistaken, but I believe I am playing this game

[Yuri Gagarin]

everyone keeps saying scumsided yet we have 2 dead scum in 3 days and baton pass would've been a town win if not for volpe