Situation Room [Game Over!]

[Yuri Gagarin]

Nah, i had no idea

[FakeGod]

just read UNOWEN ISO d1 and bit of d2 and he seems to be town

[DrippingGoofball]

seems

[GuiltyLion]

I think my current reads are around here:

S - Dusa, FakeGod, Titus
A - Bingle, Oka
B - DGB, UNOwen, Yuri
C - Dragons
D - A50, T3

but I feel this doesn't quite fit together neatly and so there's likely to be a scum in the SAB tiers somewhere

[GuiltyLion]

lol T3 has posted elsewhere and not here since Lavar flip, which he already admitted he does as scum

[Dusa]

Lavar flipped?! Were they bad?

[T3]

VOTE: Yuri
How tf have we let this obvscum survive.

[Bingle]

Mod: Do scum win if they reach majority in any hood or do they win if they reach majority overall?

Majority overall. It’s just that if they reach majority in one or two hoods it likely becomes trivial for them to outaction town and win due to the “nothing can prevent this” clause

[Bingle]

I'm like

90% sure that he means that if someone (aka me) were to be in every hood, then that person getting midlim'd could lead to scum gaining majority in one hood but because I'd simultaneously not be in the one after that either, if they then shot town int he following hood they might gain majority there, and so on and so forth until GG

More or less.

Let’s say there’s 2/4 scum in neighborhood 3 and 2/6 scum in neighborhood 4. Killing the overlap gives control over N3 and almost control over N4 meaning scum have to convince exactly one townie in N4 that they’re right to have consecutive kills.

It also removes potential for watching where kills are going to try and guess the hoods scum are attempting to prioritize.

[Bingle]

VOTE: Yuri
How tf have we let this obvscum survive.

What’s the teal deer on the case again?

[northsidegal]

Votecount 4.4

Target	Wagon
T3 (5)	Almost50 (2562), Yuri Gagarin (2568), Titus (2660), Save The Dragons (2662), Dusa (2664)
Yuri Gagarin (1)	T3 (2681)
Not Voting (6)	FakeGod, Bingle, OkaPoka, DrippingGoofball, UNOwen, GuiltyLion (2600)

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate. The Day 4 deadline is in (expired on 2021-07-11 17:55:59).

[northsidegal]

Mod: Do scum win if they reach majority in any hood or do they win if they reach majority overall?

Majority overall.

[OkaPoka]

can we get more input on the neighborhoods, if YURI GAGARIN IS GIVING INPUT IT MEANS YOU CAN TOO!

[GuiltyLion]

my input is, I don't like having both A50/Dragons in this hood but my hunch/hope would be that we kill one of them next on a T3 redflip

I'd like if Oka is in the hood, he hasn't been in either of the previous two hoods.

As for another thought, I'm remembering this comment:

@CB, who is scum?

I am reluctant to list anyone on my wagon until the game almost or has completed, but here is where my brain is going: {Dusa, UNOwen, Oka, Bell, Lavar} is my pool currently.
But to pretense this, I don't believe my wagon is full of scum, maybe 2 maximum.

At the time, the Cupcake wagon was:
{Bingle, FakeGod, DrippingGoofball, Dannflor, Almost50, Gamma}

Do we think CB named five townies none of whom voting him in his scumpool while ignoring his wagon with a least one confscum (Gamma), potentially at least another?

[Yuri Gagarin]

I thought you were p hard TRing STD, GL?

[Yuri Gagarin]

hang on, hold that thought, I just looked at the neighbourhood

[GuiltyLion]

I thought you were p hard TRing STD, GL?

my current working theory is if T3 scum, scum were opting to bus him yesterday/today rather than jump on a Lavar miselimination

I didn't like this reasoning STD gave for scumreading T3

i have a low opinion of my desire to get off of t3

Save the Dragons do you have any thoughts on my point about Bell being a main T3 defender, or Dusa's defense of T3 in 2355

i have a low opinion of my desire to get off of t3

Save the Dragons do you have any thoughts on my point about Bell being a main T3 defender, or Dusa's defense of T3 in 2355

T3 literally did something i've only seen him do as scum which was call out a scumslip. i don't really care that bell defended him and i can barely read that post by dusa.

T3 literally did something i've only seen him do as scum which was call out a scumslip.

how much experience do you have with town T3?

some, but probably not enough

so my gutfeel is STD might be scumbuddies here w/ T3 rather than town genuinely sussing him out. I also think some of the D1 associative stuff I gave him towncred for in relation to Gamma doesn't hold up quite as well under scrutiny knowing Cupcake was also scum, it was a bit of a lazy stale townread on my part and also partly driven due to my feeling Lavar was likely scum over T3.

[GuiltyLion]

if T3 is town though I'm gonna just need to do a hard reset

[OkaPoka]

yuri, titus read pls

[OkaPoka]

fakegod why r u still mad over lavar this cant be the first time you've dealt with a chronic lurker

[Bingle]

I think T3 townflip would actually firm up my Yuri townread fairly well. I could see them as maybe S/S committed to a hardbus, but I don't think Yuri approaches T3 town the way he has as scum.

Dusa/Lavar interactions couldn't have been S/S, so that tinfoil is dead and I'm back to hardtowning Dusa.

GL is very solidly town. I don't think he maintains this level of solvey activity in the light of thread lurk as scum when he could just let the game rot. This really feels like his energy from XLO of the game he mentioned, just toned down and while I think he's fully capable of pulling that off in the short term the long term is another case entirely.

Monkey tunnel on his solve is consistent with town him read. His treatment of me and overall thread energy reinforces that belief.



Uno/Oka were townreads a while ago, but both have softened considerably. Uno has had a distinct drop in the early days energy. Basically like GL if GL hadn't continued his behavior. Oka leaning into the mech instead of investigating on the last couple of days has been . I'd like to hear him propose a lim that isn't T3.

DGB is low impact per usual. I dislike it's take on the T3 situation of the waffly takes on P90 and the T3 is town because Qoobee -> Maybe T3 is scum -> T3 is TSTBS. I also dislike the in depth criticism of the Uno hammer and ignoring the FakeGod hammer while calling it town. I'm also vaguely interested in DGB's conclusion of FG town based on the back of FG voting exclusively scum D1 and never voting cupcake D2, despite spending a large portion of the day sheeping me there the day before.

FG's townread of DGB is also something I want explained, because I just don't see it. Honestly, I think the towniest thing DGB has posted is the "I would be doing exactly this behavior if LM is town and I am scum" post, and that's not worth a "THIS IS UBERTOWN FOREVER" by any stretch. Still though, the fact that Gamma reached out again after their fight played out made me think their fight was genuine and not theater, and I'm not sure that that fight happens if they're talking in a PT.

Titus is concerning to me. I don't really expect to see a lack of paranoia from town her regarding anyone and I've never once gotten the impression that she's considered that I might be scum. I'm not sure if she's genuinely just been agreeing with the things I've said or if it's a manipulation effort. I'm not really interested in pushing here atm given that she's probably the person putting the most effort into finding scum after GL.

T3/STD I have no strong feelings about. They might as well not be playing the game for all the impressions they've left on me.

[Save The Dragons]

Town:
Guilty lion
Bingle
Yuri
Oka
A50
Dusa

Null:
fakegod
Uno

Scum:
DGB
T3
Titus maybe

[Save The Dragons]

V/LA 7/1-7/6 but i should still be around

[GuiltyLion]

Can the people who are unsure of/scumreading Titus (STD, Bingle) give a read on this sequence:

@Titus

Titus do you have any thoughts on my point about Bell being a main T3 defender, or Dusa's defense of T3 in 2355

I don't think Bell was shot for his read. I don't see scum shooting to protect anyone here unless they were deep scum. If T3 is scum widely suspected, they'd want him dead before the venge stopped. Killing Bell doesn't help that agenda.

Second, Dusa's tone makes her hard to read (not alignment wise just understanding). What I think she's saying is that because everyone finds it scummy, it's not scummy at all. I'd counter that with the D1 Gamma elimination which Dusa started.

If T3 is scum widely suspected, they'd want him dead before the venge stopped.

hmmm I hadn't fully considered this - does the venge stop? I was under impression scum could venge even in the second phase, the role PM seems to suggest it's any time after being eliminated.

but if you are thinking T3 scum and they want to bus before we go into hood mode, who are the buddies pushing him?

I think we should resolve whether scum get a venge or not after day 5 because that might change my analysis of how they play. They would know this.

@Mod: Do scum who are shot in the neighborhood phase get a venge kill?

hmmm I hadn't fully considered this - does the venge stop? I was under impression scum could venge even in the second phase, the role PM seems to suggest it's any time after being eliminated

Being shot =/= being eliminated.

@Mod: Do scum who are shot in the neighborhood phase get a venge kill?

Yes.

Oh then I've been reading this wrong. Full reset after work.

This strikes me as a genuine townslip. I don't believe Titus would be posting the way she did if she knew scum venges lasted into the second phase of the game, and I think if she were scum she would have figured that information out already from scheming with buddies in the mafia PT. Therefore I think she is town, and I feel fairly confident about this.

[Save The Dragons]

i disagree