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[Gypyx]

@mod, question about gravedigger/auction mechanics:

if a player is eliminated by plurality, not nightkill, and has also won the bid on an item, would they have "died with the ability" for the purposes of a gravedigger result, or does the dead player technically gain the ability/win the bid after they are dead?

Basically asking, without asking you to confirm kitty won anything, or that Marci actually targeted kitty:

If kitty won cop d1 and was gravedigged last night, would the gravedigger have seen that kitty died with cop?

yes, the dead player still wins the item, and kitty would have shown with it

[Gypyx]

votecount 3.1

Gamma Emerald (1) - ssbm_Kyouko
mastina (0)
Smoke and Mirrors (0)
Cupcake Butterfly (0)
ssbm_Kyouko (1) - Imaginality
Something_Smart (0)
imaginality (3) - Smoke And Mirrors - Gamma Emerald - VFP
marcistar (0)
VFP (2) - mastina - marcistar

not voting (5) - Everyone

day 3 ends in (expired on 2021-07-02 02:48:08)

auction

the auctioned abilities are :

1-shot Godfather the top bid at mid point was 499

1-shot Tracker the top bid at mid point was 200

2-shot Ninja the top bid at mid point was 500

1-shot Jailkeeper the top bid at mid point was 150

[Something_Smart]

something_smart do u got any reads?

Still catching up, but they haven't changed much since yesterday. I still like VFP, S&M, mastina, and I'm not interested in CB or Gamma today.

Between the rest I'd prefer ssbm today I think, but I'm not opposed to imaginality.

[Something_Smart]

God, this sounds so fake.

It sounds like pretty standard VFP to me.

[Something_Smart]

Since he's already been outed as Vedith, I can point out that this kind of cockiness is something I remember as being very characteristic of his towngame from way back.

[marcistar]

something_smart do u got any reads?

Still catching up, but they haven't changed much since yesterday. I still like VFP, S&M, mastina, and I'm not interested in CB or Gamma today.

Between the rest I'd prefer ssbm today I think, but I'm not opposed to imaginality.

have u finished catching up yet o-o

[Something_Smart]

No, I had to do something else. Sorry. Be on it in a bit.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think ssbm_Kyouko deliberately buddied me a bit especially on D2.

Do you have examples?

On a reread I retract this. Maybe it was Cupcake I was thinking of?

Wtf godfather has bids?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think the numbers have something to say here with the claim info we have but I'll need some time to work with pencil and paper

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Vfp you are the 500 on Ninja right?

[VFP]

Correct.

[VFP]

So unless town wanted to save 1 coin which would be strange, the godfather looks to be scum trying to convince town to spend 500 on a role that currently has no effect (I would hope so).

[Something_Smart]

S_S, mastina, did either of you bid more than 325 on cop D1?

No.

[imaginality]

Let's put aside the idea that any townie would be dumb enough to bid 499 on godfather.
For scum to bid for it makes little sense because cop was a one shot role and if town had got cop it's extremely likely we'd have used the shot already.
So therefore scum wouldn't be worried about cop and wouldn't feel the need to get godfather.

My explanation for the godfather bid is it's scum trying to make us believe they think town have cop. So, in contrast, I think cop was likely won by scum and any cop claim for the rest of the game is extremely likely a fake claim.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

So unless town wanted to save 1 coin which would be strange, the godfather looks to be scum trying to convince town to spend 500 on a role that currently has no effect (I would hope so).

Let's put aside the idea that any townie would be dumb enough to bid 499 on godfather.
For scum to bid for it makes little sense because cop was a one shot role and if town had got cop it's extremely likely we'd have used the shot already.
So therefore scum wouldn't be worried about cop and wouldn't feel the need to get godfather.

My explanation for the godfather bid is it's scum trying to make us believe they think town have cop. So, in contrast, I think cop was likely won by scum and any cop claim for the rest of the game is extremely likely a fake claim.

Yeah both of these are right to some degree I think

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Any way you slice it, it seems scum are buying godfather atm

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'm just blown away by how dumb it is

[Something_Smart]

Mm. I didn't notice that.

If it is a townie, then they should claim it immediately.

[Gamma Emerald]

That’s my bid, and here’s the thing with it. I was expecting Kitty to not have actually been able to snag the cop based on thread presence, which would explain why that result was obscured. As such I was thinking scum probably wanted the GF, and wanted to scalp them for it. I left myself one Doge in order to take a power that seemed like it shouldn’t get left behind but was going to. Another point to what I’m doing is that I’m showing I have most of my money intact with the bid.
In addition I think it was smarter for me to bid on a pro-scum role given my largely townread status. Bidding on a PR that’s useful for town adds the risk of getting NKed and wasting that role. Instead I played to hold something scum might want back.

[imaginality]

@mod, question about gravedigger/auction mechanics:

if a player is eliminated by plurality, not nightkill, and has also won the bid on an item, would they have "died with the ability" for the purposes of a gravedigger result, or does the dead player technically gain the ability/win the bid after they are dead?

Basically asking, without asking you to confirm kitty won anything, or that Marci actually targeted kitty:

If kitty won cop d1 and was gravedigged last night, would the gravedigger have seen that kitty died with cop?

yes, the dead player still wins the item, and kitty would have shown with it

What pro town reason is there for showing you have most of your money intact?

Not that you do any more, if you're town and scum don't bother outbidding you.

Why would scum assume the cop hadn't used their shot before D3?

And why make the assumption that the other scum wouldn't bid for cop themselves, if they were concerned and Kitty was absent?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I dont think they should, just identifies that their wallet is empty and draws the kill onto someone with a useful role and/or money

Pedit: was kinda upset when I saw you claim it since I didnt post right away but reading whole post i think i get what you're saying regarding the money - that's part of why i claimed what i bid on hitman in "twilight", so scum would be less likely to kill me once they knew I had very little money, a useless pr, and hadn't voiced any TRs.

I had an idea - we already know cyrus didnt win the cop because of his 125-all split. Of the dead, that leaves flea and distance. If Marci digs Distance tonight, and he doesnt have cop, it means Flea won it, unless someone has been holding on to the cop shot or has an inno they're saving. This seems unlikely. Although I'm not sure if digging will show he had the 1-shot cop if he already used it the night he died. I dont know if using the abilities counts as "losing" them since they're x-shot.

The benefit to digging distance over flea is he was around for d2 and he may have died with a power from d2 or d1 that could help us sort out fakeclaims. If we hit scum today though they're probably a better target to dig.

[Something_Smart]

Fwiw, Distance might have been softing an inno on marci.

That obviously would put us in an awkward position if marci reports that Distance had the cop.

[Something_Smart]

By the way it makes no sense for scum to go for the godfather two days after the cop came out, and it also makes no sense to prove you have your money by wasting it.

But, I'm not sure if scum-Gamma would come out with so brazen an excuse for taking a role that isn't even useful to him.

[Gamma Emerald]

@mod, question about gravedigger/auction mechanics:

if a player is eliminated by plurality, not nightkill, and has also won the bid on an item, would they have "died with the ability" for the purposes of a gravedigger result, or does the dead player technically gain the ability/win the bid after they are dead?

Basically asking, without asking you to confirm kitty won anything, or that Marci actually targeted kitty:

If kitty won cop d1 and was gravedigged last night, would the gravedigger have seen that kitty died with cop?

yes, the dead player still wins the item, and kitty would have shown with it

What pro town reason is there for showing you have most of your money intact?

Not that you do any more, if you're town and scum don't bother outbidding you.

Why would scum assume the cop hadn't used their shot before D3?

And why make the assumption that the other scum wouldn't bid for cop themselves, if they were concerned and Kitty was absent?

It shows I wasn’t responsible for taking any other roles that other might have suspected scum took.
My guess is that scum would be wanting it for contingency, but I seem to have been proven wrong on that front
On the last thing: they feel rather disorganized given the Flea NK, that seems a bit like out-of-touch scum. So they probably failed to effectively plan out that part of their mechanical play.

[Gamma Emerald]

I had an idea - we already know cyrus didnt win the cop because of his 125-all split. Of the dead, that leaves flea and distance. If Marci digs Distance tonight, and he doesnt have cop, it means Flea won it, unless someone has been holding on to the cop shot or has an inno they're saving. This seems unlikely. Although I'm not sure if digging will show he had the 1-shot cop if he already used it the night he died. I dont know if using the abilities counts as "losing" them since they're x-shot.

I actually quite like this thought
I “watched” (caught a good part of it as audio only) the most recent episode of the Mysterious Benedict Society show and there’s a logic problem that kinda works like this in it

@S_S why would that be an awkward position?