Situation Room [Game Over!]

[Almost50]

I mean 2811, but it's so funny when applied to 2812.

It's even funnier when you learn I personally verified the wires are properly connected in the main local box, so the disconnection is from the main outside box (and it's a misdemeanor for non-phone company technicians to mess with that one). I can only mess with my internal wires (inside my flat) and -although one actually shouldn't- it's "passable" to mess with the main inside (read the building point downstairs) if you know what you're doing. I obviously don't so I just verified my wires were properly connected but I still neither have a line nor an internet service.

Now this is driving me crazy, because I can't actually get to use all my other online services. There's ton of YouTube videos I'm missing, all sports feedback (,mostly soccer), Facebook, etc. Hell I can't even link gifs and/or videos in my posts

Anyway, would you teo (DGB & FG) still TR me if I told you you were the only 2 remaining suspects? I mean, the only + I see to flipping yuri 1st is if yuri is red FG is confirmed a townie imho

The really funny thing is i also had okay as my #5 suspect (i value his scum game a lot i would probably never "rest assured" he is town. Scum did me a BIG favour avenging that sly chicken

[Almost50]

I've been trying to drive wagons off scum

I noticed, but there are a few things going your way. One that sticks out us that fight with gamma. Now that I've read it in full and in context I'd go as far as calling dirty play if it was scum theatre.

Also iirc you were not on the d2 wagon (and neither was DGB) which would make you a bad planner and I don't think you are bad at all (general idea, as I don't think I have ever played you, but I may have played under you as a mod as judge Joseph dredd)

[Almost50]

Even the one she started on gamma was to save cupcake and she probably didn't expect it to go through.

why would scum try to save scum by starting a counterwagon on another scum

I can't read dusa'z mind, but it could have been that she felt she could work better with CB, or that she didn't expect it to go all the way (just and attempt to divide the loyalists votes between 2 wagons to give the 3rd/desired wagon a push), or it could've been some other reason I didn't think of

[Almost50]

@GL: you are literally directly connected to each and every player alive without Yuri. Your 3 hoods have everyone between them

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTE: UNOwen

[DrippingGoofball]

Gamma Emerald

(5): FakeGod,

Dannflor

,

Bell

, HypoTitus,

TQoobee3

Dusa (1):

Gamma Emerald

(119)
Not Voting (11): Bingle,

OkaPoka

, Save The Dragons, GuiltyLion,

Not_Cupcake

, Dusa, DrippingGoofball, Yuri Gagarin, AlmostSolo, UNOwen,

LavarManos

Gamma Emerald

(4): FakeGod, HypoTitus,

TQoobee3

, Save The Dragons
AlmostSolo (3): Dusa, GuiltyLion,

Dannflor

Save The Dragons (2): Bingle,

Bell

FakeGod (2): AlmostSolo ,

Gamma Emerald

Not_Cupcake

(1): UNOwen
GuiltyLion (1): Yuri Gagarin
Not Voting (4):

OkaPoka

,

Not_Cupcake

, DrippingGoofball,

LavarManos

Save The Dragons (4): Bingle,

Bell

,

Dannflor

,

TQoobee3

Gamma Emerald

(3): FakeGod, HypoTitus, Save The Dragons
AlmostSolo (2): Dusa, GuiltyLion
FakeGod (2): AlmostSolo,

Gamma Emerald

GuiltyLion (1): Yuri Gagarin

Not_Cupcake

(1): UNOwen
Not Voting (4):

OkaPoka

,

Not_Cupcake

, DrippingGoofball,

LavarManos

Yuri Gagarin (5):

Bell

,

OkaPoka

, GuiltyLion, UNOwen, HypoTitus
Save The Dragons (4): Bingle,

TQoobee3

,

Gamma Emerald

, Dusa
GuiltyLion (3): Yuri Gagarin,

Dannflor

, Save The Dragons

Dannflor

(1): AlmostSolo

LavarManos

(1): DrippingGoofball
Not Voting (3):

Not_Cupcake

,

LavarManos

, FakeGod

Yuri Gagarin (5):

Bell

,

OkaPoka

, GuiltyLion, UNOwen, HypoTitus

Not_Cupcake

(5): Bingle, FakeGod, DrippingGoofball,

Dannflor

, AlmostSolo
Save The Dragons (3):

TQoobee3

,

Gamma Emerald

, Dusa
GuiltyLion (2): Yuri Gagarin, Save The Dragons
Not Voting (2):

Not_Cupcake

,

LavarManos

Yuri Gagarin (6):

Bell

,

OkaPoka

, GuiltyLion, UNOwen, HypoTitus, Dusa

Not_Cupcake

(5): Bingle, FakeGod, DrippingGoofball,

Dannflor

, AlmostSolo
GuiltyLion (2): Yuri Gagarin, Save The Dragons
Save The Dragons (1):

Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (3):

Not_Cupcake

,

LavarManos

,

TQoobee3

Not_Cupcake

(4): Bingle, FakeGod, AlmostSolo,

Gamma Emerald

Yuri Gagarin (4):

Bell

,

OkaPoka

, UNOwen, HypoTitus

Gamma Emerald

(4): Dusa,

Dannflor

, DrippingGoofball, GuiltyLion
GuiltyLion (2): Yuri Gagarin, Save The Dragons
Not Voting (3):

Not_Cupcake

,

LavarManos

,

TQoobee3

Gamma Emerald

(5): Dusa,

Dannflor

, DrippingGoofball, GuiltyLion, Save The Dragons

Not_Cupcake

(4): Bingle, FakeGod, AlmostSolo,

Gamma Emerald

Yuri Gagarin (4):

Bell

,

OkaPoka

, UNOwen, HypoTitus
GuiltyLion (1): Yuri Gagarin
Not Voting (3):

Not_Cupcake

,

LavarManos

,

TQoobee3

Gamma Emerald

(9): Dusa,

Dannflor

, DrippingGoofball, GuiltyLion, Save The Dragons,

OkaPoka

,

TQoobee3

, Yuri Gagarin, FakeGod

Not_Cupcake

(3): Bingle, AlmostSolo,

Gamma Emerald

Yuri Gagarin (2): UNOwen, HypoTitus
Not Voting (3):

Not_Cupcake

,

LavarManos

,

Bell

===================================

Yuri Gagarin (4): HypoTitus, UNOwen,

OkaPoka

,

TQoobee3

TQoobee3

(3): GuiltyLion, Save The Dragons, AlmostSolo
Save The Dragons (1):

Bell

OkaPoka

(1): Yuri Gagarin
AlmostSolo (1): Dusa
Not Voting (5): FakeGod, Bingle,

Not_Cupcake

, DrippingGoofball,

LavarManos

Not_Cupcake

(5): Bingle, AlmostSolo, GuiltyLion,

Bell

, HypoTitus
Yuri Gagarin (2): UNOwen,

OkaPoka

TQoobee3

(1): Save The Dragons
AlmostSolo (1): Dusa
HypoTitus (1):

TQoobee3

Not Voting (5): FakeGod,

Not_Cupcake

, DrippingGoofball,

LavarManos

, Yuri Gagarin

Not_Cupcake

(5): Bingle, AlmostSolo, GuiltyLion,

Bell

, HypoTitus
AlmostSolo (4): FakeGod, Yuri Gagarin, Dusa, UNOwen
Yuri Gagarin (1):

OkaPoka

Bingle (1): DrippingGoofball

TQoobee3

(1): Save The Dragons
HypoTitus (1):

TQoobee3

Not Voting (2):

Not_Cupcake

,

LavarManos

Not_Cupcake

(5): Bingle, AlmostSolo, GuiltyLion,

Bell

, HypoTitus
AlmostSolo (5): FakeGod, Yuri Gagarin, Dusa, UNOwen, DrippingGoofball
Yuri Gagarin (1):

OkaPoka

TQoobee3

(1): Save The Dragons
HypoTitus (1):

TQoobee3

Not Voting (2):

Not_Cupcake

,

LavarManos

Not_Cupcake

(6): Bingle, AlmostSolo,

Bell

, HypoTitus, DrippingGoofball,

TQoobee3

AlmostSolo (4): FakeGod, Yuri Gagarin, Dusa, UNOwen
Yuri Gagarin (1):

OkaPoka

TQoobee3

(1): Save The Dragons
Not Voting (3):

Not_Cupcake

,

LavarManos

, GuiltyLion

AlmostSolo (5): FakeGod, Yuri Gagarin, Dusa, UNOwen,

LavarManos

Not_Cupcake

(5): Bingle, AlmostSolo,

Bell

, HypoTitus,

TQoobee3

Yuri Gagarin (1):

OkaPoka

TQoobee3

(1): Save The Dragons
Not Voting (3):

Not_Cupcake

, GuiltyLion, DrippingGoofball

Not_Cupcake

(6): Bingle, AlmostSolo, HypoTitus,

TQoobee3

,

Bell

, Yuri Gagarin
AlmostSolo (3): Dusa, UNOwen,

LavarManos

LavarManos

(1): DrippingGoofball
Yuri Gagarin (1):

OkaPoka

TQoobee3

(1): Save The Dragons
Not Voting (3):

Not_Cupcake

, GuiltyLion, FakeGod

Not_Cupcake

(8): Bingle, HypoTitus,

TQoobee3

,

Bell

, Yuri Gagarin, Dusa, AlmostSolo, UNOwen
AlmostSolo (2):

LavarManos

, GuiltyLion

TQoobee3

(1): Save The Dragons
Yuri Gagarin (1):

OkaPoka

LavarManos

(1): DrippingGoofball
Not Voting (2):

Not_Cupcake

, FakeGod

[DrippingGoofball]

I'm too tired now, but tomorrow I will color the day 4 and day 3 wagons.

[Dusa]

Almost50! You are quite mistaken about me! You think about things very differently from how I do, so I don't know how to communicate it to you! But I think you have gotten into a rut!

Even the one she started on gamma was to save cupcake and she probably didn't expect it to go through.

why would scum try to save scum by starting a counterwagon on another scum

I can't read dusa'z mind, but

This isn't a good sign if you are trying to solve! The strongest plans are when you can put together something that makes perfect sense!

I agree that someone who attacked someone bad isn't necessarily always good! But I think you're getting scared that this run has been too easy so far! I agree with the way GuiltyLion and DrippingGoofBall are seeing you as town because I have often gotten that scared feeling! But sometimes the heat level is just zero! In the run Epilogue, the heat level was just zero!

GuiltyLion is correct my energy fell for quite a bit! I felt too worried I would be killed! It's so scary to get invested in a run and be killed! Dannflor was a very philosophically similar to kill to me - I think the best interpretation of his attack onto Gamma Emerald is good attacking bad, but there is not many other reasons to think Dannflor was town, and I think the same is true about me! I also have survivor's guilt that I think I might have been shot if I wasn't Dusa!

I'm a little bit less worried about being killed now! OkaPoka is such a different style kill! Everyone kills Bell... Bell is an archer..

[Dusa]

OkaPoka's death makes me suspicious of Bingle! Bingle said that OkaPoka could be bad!

Something about the pattern rubs me the wrong way!

Bingle is the type of player who likes to control people's loudness.. I think calling someone bad without reasons, has a way of making that person less important! Killing someone makes them extremely unimportant!

[Dusa]

I think FakeGod is the most likely to be good! There is no way he is bad!

[Dusa]

When GuiltyLion posts, he has thoughts that are very similar to what I would post!

I am pondering whether we have similar personalities, or we are both good!

I would normally just pick the second one, but it feels as though there are not enough people who seem bad, so I feel shy when I conclude someone is good!

[Titus]

*salivates at VCs*

*sees clock*

*frowns*

[Dusa]

FakeGod is good because he didn't profit from T3 dying when he could have tried to! He clearly does not know who the bad people are!
DGB is good because FakeGod says so!
Almost50 is good because his attacks on me are too poor to benefit a team if he was bad! He has been viewed as good by many people, who are either smart or if I imagine them bad do not seem like the kinds of bad people who would protect a bad Almost50!
GuiltyLion is good because he thinks the things that I think!
Titus is good because of GuiltyLion's townslip! She also seems to care more about making a math philosophy without caring about influencing everyone!
Yuri is good because he keeps hurting himself! He only makes sense as someone bad if his partner is doing very, very well! He keeps making people angry!
SaveTheDragons is good because he has generally tried to shorten and simplify the run, and the run has involved bad people getting slaughtered! This is confusing and does not make sense if SaveTheDragons is teamed with them! He seems like someone who would care a lot about his teammates if he was bad!
Bingle is good because of how he balanced his interest in making leashes with finding bad people! That might not be enough though..
UnOwen is .... I can barely remember anything UnOwen has done! I looked up their last 3 posts and was not inspired!

These are some of my ideas about this run!

[Titus]

She also seems to care more about making a math philosophy without caring about influencing everyone!

What do you mean by "making a math philopshy"?

[Dusa]

You care about learning the truth!

You do not care about the part where we obey your truth!

[Titus]

You do not care about the part where we obey your truth!

I've been practically insisting we follow me onto Yuri and T3 for days now...

[GuiltyLion]

I've done a proper catch up during this extended night phase (remember that I hadn't read anything before the point I replaced in? Now I did)

One thing I'm stuck on

You were going through FakeGods ISO post by post and casing him

So did you just like... decide to do that without having read the game properly? Or are you lying to us now about not having read?

The thing is just if this is scum it's so brazen??

[Dusa]

You do not care about the part where we obey your truth!

I've been practically insisting we follow me onto Yuri and T3 for days now...

But you are not trying to trick us! You do not care to that level!

[Almost50]

I've done a proper catch up during this extended night phase (remember that I hadn't read anything before the point I replaced in? Now I did)

One thing I'm stuck on

You were going through FakeGods ISO post by post and casing him

So did you just like... decide to do that without having read the game properly? Or are you lying to us now about not having read?

The thing is just if this is scum it's so brazen??

You do realise,r that reading someone's ISO means yo read their posts in ISOLATION right?

[UNOwen]

I have not read everything, but some bits and pieces I read have degraded my feelings about T3!

Could you elaborate on this?

[UNOwen]

I'm most sure of FakeGod town, and FG said he was sure of DGB town, so I'm willing to sheep his reasoning and read there.

DGB is good because FakeGod says so!

Game state suggests that town is providing cover to some extent for at least one of the scum. What about FakeGod's DGB read makes it likely to be accurate?

[Titus]

You do not care about the part where we obey your truth!

I've been practically insisting we follow me onto Yuri and T3 for days now...

But you are not trying to trick us! You do not care to that level!

Why do you feel that's true?

[FakeGod]

my reads have been wildly inaccurate

[GuiltyLion]

You do realise,r that reading someone's ISO means yo read their posts in ISOLATION right?

yes, and being fair to you I think everything you were commenting on didn't strictly need to be interpreted in context, but it still just feels kinda skeevy to me to be pulling posts/quotes from a section of a game you haven't read and finding reasons to call stuff scum-motivated when you didn't even have the sense of gamestate or context of the thread to help understand when/why those posts were made.

it's probably not indicative I think it's more just our playsyles than anything and I'm glad you think FG's town now I just wish you'd read and felt that way earlier and it might have made things easier for all of us

[GuiltyLion]

I'm most sure of FakeGod town, and FG said he was sure of DGB town, so I'm willing to sheep his reasoning and read there.

DGB is good because FakeGod says so!

Game state suggests that town is providing cover to some extent for at least one of the scum. What about FakeGod's DGB read makes it likely to be accurate?

I think this is a pretty compelling reason if FakeGod is town:

DGB wouldn't call A50's case on me good to get me riled up and post content, resulting in town being able to read A50 as town, unless she's town.

especially if they have history together, which I am assuming they do

Further - this wouldn't be the first time I have townread/trusted someone who then expresses that they have solid to good reasons to trust another player, which leads me to give credence to their read. I feel like that's not a strange thing to do in a mafia game, it's part of town blocking. Why are you asking us about these DGB/FG reads specifically? Do you scumread either of them, or are you more skeptical of Dusa/myself?