Situation Room [Game Over!]

[Titus]

@GuiltyLion RE: Townblocking

I feel we have reached a point where everyone in the game townreads someone who townreads their suspect, which makes this harder.

Ex: I townread Brian and scumread Charlie. Brian townreads Charlie.

Now what?

[UNOwen]

Why are you asking us about these DGB/FG reads specifically? Do you scumread either of them, or are you more skeptical of Dusa/myself?

All of the above. Except FakeGod, I'm comfortable with him being town.

I think Titus is town still and StD is also tending towards town based on the T3 flip, even though I get nothing much from his posts. You/Dusa/Bingle are probably town. If I'm right on those reads then the team is some combination of DGB/Yuri/A50, most likely being Yuri/DGB. That doesn't feel particularly solid and I don't have strong scum reads on either of them. It's possible there's scum among the players I have as town, maybe one of you/Dusa/Bingle is having a strong scum game. I'm especially cautious about Dusa since Cupcake's suspect list has now been narrowed down to her.

Further - this wouldn't be the first time I have townread/trusted someone who then expresses that they have solid to good reasons to trust another player, which leads me to give credence to their read. I feel like that's not a strange thing to do in a mafia game, it's part of town blocking.

In general no it's not strange but when you have no confident scumreads then questioning the sheeped townreads seems like a good idea. As Titus points out it seems every suspected player has someone vouching for them, so there's surely someone among town who just has a wrong read. Why couldn't it be FakeGod? I don't agree that his reasoning is especially compelling either, it relies on scum DGB anticipating that by agreeing with A50's case it would provoke him, and anticipating that A50's response to FakeGod's defense would result in him being seen as town. If A50 town then I agree DGB even pulling back from the wagon is townie, since it was looking viable. But the specific "DGB knew it was setting off a chain reaction that would get A50 townread" sounds a stretch.

What did you make of DGB's posts during day 4? It had clearly identified me as a suspect and somehow thinks I'm a "deepwolf". But there wasn't an attempt to start a wagon on me, despite having had T3 as a weak town read (? at least that's the impression I got). The T3 execution was inevitable but it looks weird to me not to put up a fight if you think you've got a better target.

[DrippingGoofball]

Gamma Emerald

(5): FakeGod,

Dannflor

,

Bell

, HypoTitus,

TQoobee3

Dusa (1):

Gamma Emerald

(119)
Not Voting (11): Bingle,

OkaPoka

, Save The Dragons, GuiltyLion,

Not_Cupcake

, Dusa, DrippingGoofball, Yuri Gagarin, AlmostSolo, UNOwen,

LavarManos

Gamma Emerald

(4): FakeGod, HypoTitus,

TQoobee3

, Save The Dragons
AlmostSolo (3): Dusa, GuiltyLion,

Dannflor

Save The Dragons (2): Bingle,

Bell

FakeGod (2): AlmostSolo ,

Gamma Emerald

Not_Cupcake

(1): UNOwen
GuiltyLion (1): Yuri Gagarin
Not Voting (4):

OkaPoka

,

Not_Cupcake

, DrippingGoofball,

LavarManos

Save The Dragons (4): Bingle,

Bell

,

Dannflor

,

TQoobee3

Gamma Emerald

(3): FakeGod, HypoTitus, Save The Dragons
AlmostSolo (2): Dusa, GuiltyLion
FakeGod (2): AlmostSolo,

Gamma Emerald

GuiltyLion (1): Yuri Gagarin

Not_Cupcake

(1): UNOwen
Not Voting (4):

OkaPoka

,

Not_Cupcake

, DrippingGoofball,

LavarManos

Yuri Gagarin (5):

Bell

,

OkaPoka

, GuiltyLion, UNOwen, HypoTitus
Save The Dragons (4): Bingle,

TQoobee3

,

Gamma Emerald

, Dusa
GuiltyLion (3): Yuri Gagarin,

Dannflor

, Save The Dragons

Dannflor

(1): AlmostSolo

LavarManos

(1): DrippingGoofball
Not Voting (3):

Not_Cupcake

,

LavarManos

, FakeGod

Yuri Gagarin (5):

Bell

,

OkaPoka

, GuiltyLion, UNOwen, HypoTitus

Not_Cupcake

(5): Bingle, FakeGod, DrippingGoofball,

Dannflor

, AlmostSolo
Save The Dragons (3):

TQoobee3

,

Gamma Emerald

, Dusa
GuiltyLion (2): Yuri Gagarin, Save The Dragons
Not Voting (2):

Not_Cupcake

,

LavarManos

Yuri Gagarin (6):

Bell

,

OkaPoka

, GuiltyLion, UNOwen, HypoTitus, Dusa

Not_Cupcake

(5): Bingle, FakeGod, DrippingGoofball,

Dannflor

, AlmostSolo
GuiltyLion (2): Yuri Gagarin, Save The Dragons
Save The Dragons (1):

Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (3):

Not_Cupcake

,

LavarManos

,

TQoobee3

Not_Cupcake

(4): Bingle, FakeGod, AlmostSolo,

Gamma Emerald

Yuri Gagarin (4):

Bell

,

OkaPoka

, UNOwen, HypoTitus

Gamma Emerald

(4): Dusa,

Dannflor

, DrippingGoofball, GuiltyLion
GuiltyLion (2): Yuri Gagarin, Save The Dragons
Not Voting (3):

Not_Cupcake

,

LavarManos

,

TQoobee3

Gamma Emerald

(5): Dusa,

Dannflor

, DrippingGoofball, GuiltyLion, Save The Dragons

Not_Cupcake

(4): Bingle, FakeGod, AlmostSolo,

Gamma Emerald

Yuri Gagarin (4):

Bell

,

OkaPoka

, UNOwen, HypoTitus
GuiltyLion (1): Yuri Gagarin
Not Voting (3):

Not_Cupcake

,

LavarManos

,

TQoobee3

Gamma Emerald

(9): Dusa,

Dannflor

, DrippingGoofball, GuiltyLion, Save The Dragons,

OkaPoka

,

TQoobee3

, Yuri Gagarin, FakeGod

Not_Cupcake

(3): Bingle, AlmostSolo,

Gamma Emerald

Yuri Gagarin (2): UNOwen, HypoTitus
Not Voting (3):

Not_Cupcake

,

LavarManos

,

Bell

===================================

Yuri Gagarin (4): HypoTitus, UNOwen,

OkaPoka

,

TQoobee3

TQoobee3

(3): GuiltyLion, Save The Dragons, AlmostSolo
Save The Dragons (1):

Bell

OkaPoka

(1): Yuri Gagarin
AlmostSolo (1): Dusa
Not Voting (5): FakeGod, Bingle,

Not_Cupcake

, DrippingGoofball,

LavarManos

Not_Cupcake

(5): Bingle, AlmostSolo, GuiltyLion,

Bell

, HypoTitus
Yuri Gagarin (2): UNOwen,

OkaPoka

TQoobee3

(1): Save The Dragons
AlmostSolo (1): Dusa
HypoTitus (1):

TQoobee3

Not Voting (5): FakeGod,

Not_Cupcake

, DrippingGoofball,

LavarManos

, Yuri Gagarin

Not_Cupcake

(5): Bingle, AlmostSolo, GuiltyLion,

Bell

, HypoTitus
AlmostSolo (4): FakeGod, Yuri Gagarin, Dusa, UNOwen
Yuri Gagarin (1):

OkaPoka

Bingle (1): DrippingGoofball

TQoobee3

(1): Save The Dragons
HypoTitus (1):

TQoobee3

Not Voting (2):

Not_Cupcake

,

LavarManos

Not_Cupcake

(5): Bingle, AlmostSolo, GuiltyLion,

Bell

, HypoTitus
AlmostSolo (5): FakeGod, Yuri Gagarin, Dusa, UNOwen, DrippingGoofball
Yuri Gagarin (1):

OkaPoka

TQoobee3

(1): Save The Dragons
HypoTitus (1):

TQoobee3

Not Voting (2):

Not_Cupcake

,

LavarManos

Not_Cupcake

(6): Bingle, AlmostSolo,

Bell

, HypoTitus, DrippingGoofball,

TQoobee3

AlmostSolo (4): FakeGod, Yuri Gagarin, Dusa, UNOwen
Yuri Gagarin (1):

OkaPoka

TQoobee3

(1): Save The Dragons
Not Voting (3):

Not_Cupcake

,

LavarManos

, GuiltyLion

AlmostSolo (5): FakeGod, Yuri Gagarin, Dusa, UNOwen,

LavarManos

Not_Cupcake

(5): Bingle, AlmostSolo,

Bell

, HypoTitus,

TQoobee3

Yuri Gagarin (1):

OkaPoka

TQoobee3

(1): Save The Dragons
Not Voting (3):

Not_Cupcake

, GuiltyLion, DrippingGoofball

Not_Cupcake

(6): Bingle, AlmostSolo, HypoTitus,

TQoobee3

,

Bell

, Yuri Gagarin
AlmostSolo (3): Dusa, UNOwen,

LavarManos

LavarManos

(1): DrippingGoofball
Yuri Gagarin (1):

OkaPoka

TQoobee3

(1): Save The Dragons
Not Voting (3):

Not_Cupcake

, GuiltyLion, FakeGod

Not_Cupcake

(8): Bingle, HypoTitus,

TQoobee3

,

Bell

, Yuri Gagarin, Dusa, AlmostSolo, UNOwen
AlmostSolo (2):

LavarManos

, GuiltyLion

TQoobee3

(1): Save The Dragons
Yuri Gagarin (1):

OkaPoka

LavarManos

(1): DrippingGoofball
Not Voting (2):

Not_Cupcake

, FakeGod

====================================

LavarManos

(4): FakeGod, Save The Dragons, GuiltyLion,

OkaPoka

HypoTitus (1):

TQoobee3

Not Voting (8): Bingle, HypoTitus, Dusa, DrippingGoofball, Yuri Gagarin, AlmostSolo, UNOwen,

LavarManos

TQoobee3

(5): Save The Dragons, AlmostSolo, HypoTitus, GuiltyLion, Yuri Gagarin

LavarManos

(1): FakeGod
Yuri Gagarin (1):

OkaPoka

UNOwen (1): DrippingGoofball
HypoTitus (1):

TQoobee3

Not Voting (4): Bingle, Dusa, UNOwen,

LavarManos

TQoobee3

(4): Save The Dragons, AlmostSolo, HypoTitus, Yuri Gagarin

LavarManos

(3): FakeGod, UNOwen, GuiltyLion
Yuri Gagarin (2):

OkaPoka

,

TQoobee3

UNOwen (1): DrippingGoofball
Not Voting (3): Bingle, Dusa,

LavarManos

LavarManos

(5): UNOwen, GuiltyLion, DrippingGoofball, FakeGod, Yuri Gagarin

TQoobee3

(3): Save The Dragons, AlmostSolo, HypoTitus
Yuri Gagarin (2):

OkaPoka

,

TQoobee3

Not Voting (3): Dusa,

LavarManos

, Bingle

LavarManos

(7): UNOwen, GuiltyLion, DrippingGoofball, FakeGod, Yuri Gagarin, HypoTitus, Bingle

TQoobee3

(2): Save The Dragons, AlmostSolo
Yuri Gagarin (2):

OkaPoka

,

TQoobee3

Not Voting (2): Dusa,

LavarManos

===================================

TQoobee3

(5): AlmostSolo, Yuri Gagarin, HypoTitus, Save The Dragons, Dusa
Yuri Gagarin (1):

TQoobee3

Not Voting (6): FakeGod, Bingle,

OkaPoka

, DrippingGoofball, UNOwen, GuiltyLion

TQoobee3

(6): AlmostSolo, Yuri Gagarin, HypoTitus, Save The Dragons, Dusa, DrippingGoofball
Yuri Gagarin (1):

TQoobee3

Not Voting (5): FakeGod, Bingle,

OkaPoka

, UNOwen, GuiltyLion

TQoobee3

(4): AlmostSolo, Yuri Gagarin, HypoTitus, Save The Dragons
Yuri Gagarin (2):

TQoobee3

, Dusa
Bingle (1): FakeGod
Not Voting (5): Bingle,

OkaPoka

, UNOwen, GuiltyLion, DrippingGoofball

TQoobee3

(7): AlmostSolo, Yuri Gagarin, HypoTitus, Save The Dragons, GuiltyLion, Dusa,

TQoobee3

Bingle (1): FakeGod
Not Voting (4): Bingle,

OkaPoka

, UNOwen, DrippingGoofball

[Titus]

#drools, Time to hit my PC.

[DrippingGoofball]

Day 1:

This is a wagon competing with a scum wagon
***Yuri Gagarin (6): Bell, OkaPoka, GuiltyLion, UNOwen, HypoTitus, Dusa***
Heightened suspicion on GuiltyLion, UNOwen, Hypotitus and Dusa. HypoTitus has a good voting record otherwise, I will discount it.

Day 2:

***TQoobee3 (3): GuiltyLion, Save The Dragons, AlmostSolo*** These players look pretty good.
***Yuri Gagarin (2): UNOwen, OkaPoka*** UNOwen on this competing wagon - not so good.
On another wagon competing against a scum wagon
***AlmostSolo (5): FakeGod, Yuri Gagarin, Dusa, UNOwen, DrippingGoofball*** Heightened suspicion on all these players, though I know I'm town.

Day 3:

Unlikely that scum is in: Save The Dragons, AlmostSolo, HypoTitus, Yuri Gagarin
Competing wagon to scum was ***AlmostSolo (5): FakeGod, Yuri Gagarin, Dusa, UNOwen, LavarManos***. We know LM was town, and AlmostSolo is likely town as well. Heightened suspicion on FakeGod, Yuri (though this is offset by his presence on scum wagons), Dusa and UNOwen.

Day 4:

Given how yesterday went down, it's unlikely that scum is in: AlmostSolo, Yuri Gagarin, HypoTitus, Save The Dragons - interesting how these same 4 players were focused on eliminating TQoobee3.
Heightened suspicion on FakeGod for his vanity wagon on Bingle and the subtle way he challenged my T3 vote.

We should increase our scrutiny on these three players who have so far gotten very little.

FakeGod
Dusa
UNOwen

[DrippingGoofball]

#drools, Time to hit my PC.

Don't stroke out on me, luv

[FakeGod]

What do you mean subtle

I was flat out defending him like a moron

[FakeGod]

looking at my track record I would push myself too

[Titus]

Not_Cupcake (5): Bingle, AlmostSolo, GuiltyLion, Bell, HypoTitus
AlmostSolo (5): FakeGod, Yuri Gagarin, Dusa, UNOwen, DrippingGoofball
Yuri Gagarin (1): OkaPoka
TQoobee3 (1): Save The Dragons
HypoTitus (1): TQoobee3
Not Voting (2): Not_Cupcake, LavarManos

Not_Cupcake (6): Bingle, AlmostSolo, Bell, HypoTitus, DrippingGoofball, TQoobee3
AlmostSolo (4): FakeGod, Yuri Gagarin, Dusa, UNOwen
Yuri Gagarin (1): OkaPoka
TQoobee3 (1): Save The Dragons
Not Voting (3): Not_Cupcake, LavarManos, GuiltyLion

AlmostSolo (5): FakeGod, Yuri Gagarin, Dusa, UNOwen, LavarManos
Not_Cupcake (5): Bingle, AlmostSolo, Bell, HypoTitus, TQoobee3
Yuri Gagarin (1): OkaPoka
TQoobee3 (1): Save The Dragons
Not Voting (3): Not_Cupcake, GuiltyLion, DrippingGoofball

I'm skipping ahead to d2 to prevent tunnel vision.

Looking at this. I'm content calling A50 and STD town.
I expect 1 scum in the A50 wagon. Most likely not DGB since it swaped with conftown and the wagon comp remained the same but not solid enough for a lock. That could be a dual scum or something (unlikely).

[Titus]

This is a wagon competing with a scum wagon
***Yuri Gagarin (6): Bell, OkaPoka, GuiltyLion, UNOwen, HypoTitus, Dusa***
Heightened suspicion on GuiltyLion, UNOwen, Hypotitus and Dusa. HypoTitus has a good voting record otherwise, I will discount it.

I concur with this, if you start from the assumption that Yuri is town. I don't feel like that assumption is warranted.

[Titus]

We should increase our scrutiny on these three players who have so far gotten very little.
FakeGod
Dusa
UNOwen

Based on votes, supposing Yuri is town, I agree with your analysis.

So, let's have it out about Yuri. Why do you feel he's town?

[Titus]

What do you mean subtle

I was flat out defending him like a moron

looking at my track record I would push myself too

I can't say this humility is bad.

Where do you think you went wrong? Why do you think you went wrong? Who if anyone influenced your decision (maybe no one)?

[FakeGod]

well let's see

gamma attacked me out of nowhere and that sucked all the fun out of day 1

then I attacked almost50 d2 whose slots defended gamma but it turns out it was a dual scum competing wagon so my analysis was garbage

plus he sounded town after I grilled him for awhile

then people started piling on t3 and I ISO'd him and I thought there were a ton of posts that wouldn't make any sense to come from scum but apparently he was scum

so I dunno

[Titus]

gamma attacked me out of nowhere and that sucked all the fun out of day 1

Talk about this more if you'd please. Most actions aren't out of nowhere.

[FakeGod]

he voted me so I voted him

he got angry because apparently that was equivalent to me telling him to go fuck himself

I decided to ignore him; he wrote some stuff afterwards but I hammered him

I don't know if there's anything else

[DrippingGoofball]

What do you mean subtle

I was flat out defending him like a moron

The way you made me reconsider my vote was subtle.

[DrippingGoofball]

What do you mean subtle

I was flat out defending him like a moron

That's true, that's why my conclusion is to increase scrutiny on certain player slots.

My purpose with the scumputer is to direct attention to elements we might have overlooked.

[DrippingGoofball]

I don't know why I captured the wrong quote, my post was answering Titus.

[Titus]

VOTE: Dusa

Let's test your theory. I didn't like their responses today.

[DrippingGoofball]

I am on cell right now, so quick answer regarding Yuri.

A lot of the scum team was under fire from the town.

There must have been ***some*** attempts to cultivate suspicions on townies. Like Yuri?

I would expect the scum team to be demoralized. Except for UNOwen and Dusa who have depressed activity levels, I am not seeing anyone obviously giving up. There is a possibility that there is a player expected to carry the team to the finish line. That's a player who might have bus'sed.

We need to COMPILE who the dead suspected. Maybe I will do that.

There is a reason why those of us who are alive are alive. We are wrong pr manipulatable - scum!FakeGod would not kill me, just sayin'

[Bingle]

Bingle can you help with this point in particular if you feel inclined?

I'm... not entirely sure what you're asking for here?

Yuri as town is a large priority miselim from a scum PoV. Yuri as scum is in a good position neighborhood wise. I don't think either of these points are a reason to eliminate or avoid eliminating Yuri.

[Bingle]

To put this in my ISO:

Neighborhood 1

Dusa
Yuri
FG
GL
DGB
STD

Neighborhood 2

Dusa
Yuri
A50
UNOwen
Bingle
Titus

Neighborhood 3

Yuri
FG
GL
DGB
UNOwen
Bingle
Titus

Neighborhood 4

A50
Yuri
Titus
STD
GL
Dusa

[Bingle]

OkaPoka's death makes me suspicious of Bingle! Bingle said that OkaPoka could be bad!

Something about the pattern rubs me the wrong way!

Bingle is the type of player who likes to control people's loudness.. I think calling someone bad without reasons, has a way of making that person less important! Killing someone makes them extremely unimportant!

What views in particular do you think scum wanted silenced?

[Bingle]

Heightened suspicion on FakeGod for his vanity wagon on Bingle

Really? I think exactly the opposite. I think it was fairly obvious gamestate wise that a push on me was going no where, so FG pushing specifically me as an alternative to scum tells me it wasn't an effort to save T3.

[Bingle]

So, let's have it out about Yuri. Why do you feel he's town?

Is this an open question or are you specifically interested in DGB's reasons?