Silent Star 4: Yin and Yang

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Votecount 1.15

[5] Ircher:

Satoru Nakata, NorwegianboyEE, Morning Tweet, PookyTheMagicalBear, Robert M Hunter

[3] Satoru Nakata:

Infinity 324, Ydrasse, Chara

[2] Robert M Hunter:

Tanner, Flea The Magician

[1] Infinity 324:

clidd

[2] Not Voting:

Ircher, Amy Dunne

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to sentence. If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-07-07 18:10:20).

Joint moderator ISO.

[Robert M Hunter]

Do you have any reads that are not directly based on a player's interactions with yourself? @Robert

My scum read of

you

is not based on your interactions with me.

[Ircher]

Okay, besides that one. Not because it doesn't necessarily count, but because I'm uninterested in talking about myself here. Do you have any others?

[Robert M Hunter]

Norwegian, Morning Tweet, Pooky, Ydrasse, Amy are town reads.

[clidd]

@Morning

Yep, I understand the simplicity with which scum!Ircher could be approaching the "alternative style" angle to try to stay off the radar. The problem is that, like Robert, I don't see a clear picture in my mind of scum!Ircher embracing this strategy (on purpose or not).

[Ircher]

Talk about your Ydrasse read please.

[clidd]

I mean, even if scum!Ircher chose this path, it would be evident that he would have to adapt to the fact that more slots are participating more actively in the game (which would eventually highlight him by PoE due to his coasting), therefore, it would make more sense imo if scum!he tried to fit inside the discussion in a more meaningful way, perhaps with pre-created reads (presented in a way that tried to convey genuineness) to "keep" the illusion of participation/scumhunting (something that didn't happen).

[clidd]

Which also makes me think that the occasional sudden appearances probably point to a disorganization that would be harmful to scum!he (and something that scum!he would try to avoid, but town!he probably wouldn't care much).

[Morning Tweet]

We could policy-elim Robert, but meh.

For violating which policy?

This stretch of posts by Robert reflects as particularly good to me. Something about attacking his defenders and in his mind sealing his fate comes off as towny to me and is a thought i have pretty often as town in that scenario actually.

What do you mean by sealing his fate? He hasn't really accepted that he'll be limmed. Also, while it's perhaps less conventional to attack one's attackers, he didn't give off a particularly strong basis for that line of thought. His argument boiled down to a probabilistic one, so I'd be skeptical of giving a player a pass for that.

Saying "Kill the people defending me after I die" is more or less resigned thinking. It's like the opposite of survivalism combined with seeming to give a care about what happens after you die

Maybe not sealing his fate although Robert proceeded to vote clidd who was his most vocal defender

Hm. Sort of a pattern of Robert attacking people townreading him this game

[Morning Tweet]

@Morning

Yep, I understand the simplicity with which scum!Ircher could be approaching the "alternative style" angle to try to stay off the radar. The problem is that, like Robert, I don't see a clear picture in my mind of scum!Ircher embracing this strategy (on purpose or not).

I mean, even if scum!Ircher chose this path, it would be evident that he would have to adapt to the fact that more slots are participating more actively in the game (which would eventually highlight him by PoE due to his coasting), therefore, it would make more sense imo if scum!he tried to fit inside the discussion in a more meaningful way, perhaps with pre-created reads (presented in a way that tried to convey genuineness) to "keep" the illusion of participation/scumhunting (something that didn't happen).

I agree with you that it would be more optimal if Ircher employed that strategy -- but I still think it's a relatively easy strategy and a conceivable one for him to just coast as he has been doing without committing to much, focusing on the mechanics, and so on

Actively keeping the illusion of scumhunting is much more difficult and isn't something you just choose to do, ya know

[clidd]

In other words, scum!Ircher as a scenario would work better if he had changed his stance to avoid being PoE'd, which would include a more organized posting in the sense of "delivering convincing reads", fewer sporadic appearances and a greater interest in being "seen with good eyes" than "hey, I'll do my own thing here y'know".

As I see it, he's not that different since the beginning of the game, so I don't see adaptability on his part (which is what I see scum!Ircher having)

pedit: hi

[clidd]

well, but that's just theory and etc

[clidd]

alternatively, he can just be scum and all of my stuff above is an overthink

I'll take a another look later (sleep now)

[Morning Tweet]

Which also makes me think that the occasional sudden appearances probably point to a disorganization that would be harmful to scum!he (and something that scum!he would try to avoid, but town!he probably wouldn't care much).

Hm, that's not a bad point. I am more.. deliberate with posting as scum and could see that

However, I feel like his posting earlier this game targetted Nakata (who was under fire at the time) with fairly reasonable but very easy to make observations that didn't necessarily make Nakata scum but certainly had the appearance of adding fuel to the fire for their elim (978 + 979). Idk if that makes sense. Ircher targets one of the wagons to point out some mistakes they are making, which I think may have been done to appear like he's doing something while also reflecting poorly on Nakata whilst not locking Ircher to any stances.

Scrolling thru Ircher's ISO, there isn't much that deviates much from soft stances, reasonable and very agreeable takes, n the like.

Amy you can't be obvtown yet - 1143
Aforementined Nakata posts - 978/979
Robert you aren't saying much - 732

Most of the rest is engaging Yin/Yang sort of mysteriously. Very early game Ircher wasn't impressed with Norwe and found Flea/Tanner to be town, which are harder stances than he's been giving recently

[Morning Tweet]

In other words, scum!Ircher as a scenario would work better if he had changed his stance to avoid being PoE'd, which would include a more organized posting in the sense of "delivering convincing reads", fewer sporadic appearances and a greater interest in being "seen with good eyes" than "hey, I'll do my own thing here y'know".

As I see it, he's not that different since the beginning of the game, so I don't see adaptability on his part (which is what I see scum!Ircher having)

pedit: hi

i think if Ircher is town you're probably on to something -- Cause in other games, Ircher usually gets around to composing flashy readslists which i think come off way better. He would probably know that and try to "appease" our reads with something that'll be perceived good like one of those.

However in this game he's appearing occasionally to comment on things and is generally not really trying hard to look any certain way

Dunno though. Ppl are inconsistent and this still fits the bill for lower activity/motivation scum

[Robert M Hunter]

Talk about your Ydrasse read please.

Why don't

you

talk about Ydrasse? You've never mentioned this player before, is that player your wolfmate, are you trying to pin me down townreading your wolfmate?

[Robert M Hunter]

Why does Ircher want me to say more about a player that he never bothered to mention?

[Ydrasse]

do you want ircher to answer that or my assumption?

[Robert M Hunter]

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[2] Ydrasse:

PookyTheMagicalBear, Tanner

[2] Tanner:

Flea The Magician, Chara

[2] Ircher:

Robert M Hunter, Satoru Nakata

[1] Chara:

Morning Tweet

[6] Not Voting:

Amy Dunne, Ircher, Infinity 324, clidd, Ydrasse, NorwegianBoyEE

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Why Ydrasse? Only two players have voted for Ydrasse.

[Robert M Hunter]

No one is even voting Ydrasse right now..

[Ydrasse]

do you want ircher to answer that or my assumption?

[Robert M Hunter]

do you want ircher to answer that or my assumption?

Why would I be interested in your

assumptions

instead of Ircher's actual thought processes?

[Ydrasse]

because it might help you answer something that people want to know about what you think, so they can better parse the game as a whole?

[Ydrasse]

that and it's p clear to me why he's asking

[Robert M Hunter]

because it might help you answer something that people want to know about what you think, so they can better parse the game as a whole?

No. That's not what he's doing. He's not being all benevolent lending a helping hand to make me look townier to the whole room.

I'm trying to show that his question is disingenuous.