| Target | Wagon |
|---|---|
Dusa (2) | Almost50 (2811), Titus (2826) |
UNOwen (1) | DrippingGoofball (2829) |
Not Voting (7) | FakeGod, Bingle, Save The Dragons, GuiltyLion, Dusa, Yuri Gagarin, UNOwen |
3 out of 4 executions have been on scum, how are you seeing lack of initiative fitting in as scum behaviour?In post 2896, GuiltyLion wrote: UNOwen has been really low activity, especially as the game has gone on, and most of his ISO and play is asking questions towards people rather than advancing his own reads or pushes. What I'm missing from that slot is any sense of initiative, I feel his latest post was a bunch of townreads but then ambiguous/waffley conclusions about his POE suspect pool, and the question he asked me about DGB doesn't feel all that important or indicative either:
Those feelings don't sound similar at all, there are clear differences:In post 2896, GuiltyLion wrote: I don't see why there's an expectation/assumption that DGB should have put up a fight for a different target. I felt similar feelings, T3 could be scum but I had doubts, I didn't feel much more strongly about other slots elsewhere and enough people were pushing/voting T3 that I doubted he was much longer for this world, so I just went with it. It feels easy to imagine reasons why town wouldn't push a vanity deepwolf read yesterday, so I don't vibe with the implication here
This is exactly the wrong strategy to have as scum this game. The scumsidedness of the setup is HEAVILY mitigated by early scum eliminations. First of all, the more scum there are when we switch to neighborhood elims the more likely scum is to be able to setup a cascading kill control scenario. Secondly, the NKs being made later in the game make the early eliminations lower information eliminations and thus more likely to be on town. As the setup exists, there is very little benefit to taking the shots early as opposed to late.In post 2898, DrippingGoofball wrote:Am I wrong?
The scum busses to have a NK.
They have a designated player to carry out the long game. This player might be widely townread.
Tell me more.
That's not my case on Dusa though. My case is she has ALWAYS been voting the counterwagon of Scum. except for the Gamma wagon which she started while another Scumster was being wagoned and she -probably- didn't expect the Gamma wagon to blow at that point, but she -again probably- hoped the town would be split between the two (with a couple of former Gamma voters rejoining- to make way for a mislim compromise.In post 2896, GuiltyLion wrote:I think UNOwen is my vote right now. I'm not really understanding where the Dusa suspicion is coming from - it feels like A50's main point/argument (Dusa switching from A50 to Cupcake on D2 because scum gave up on the A50 miselim) is assuming scum!Dusa first and then explaining the narrative where her play makes makes sense coming from scum. Which is certainly possible, but doesn't feel especially more likely than worlds where she is town.
I am suspecting but not certain you are town. You, DGB, and Dusa are competing for townbeard status in different ways.In post 2913, FakeGod wrote:you probably enjoyed my antics then
I drove counterwagons all over the place
I'm also going to tell you that there will be no more useful information with VC, so you'll have to get accurate VCA done with what you have now.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding your question here, but I feel like 3/4 executions on scumIn post 2902, UNOwen wrote:3 out of 4 executions have been on scum, how are you seeing lack of initiative fitting in as scum behaviour?
This is a terrible vote, we have a long way to deadline and it's the last time that will be the case. Talking about neighbourhood composition looks like you've already settled on wanting me executed. Why do you think I'm scum? Do you even think I'm scum or is it just hard to read? Please answer earlier questions too.In post 2907, Dusa wrote:VOTE: UnOwne!
I will unvote if I need to share the neighborhood so that everyone has connections to talk!
If I had to pick a second mafia, I think I might would have to pick DGB! Some of its moves feel more opportunistic lately! That's weak... because I'm not sure who is bad right now..
UnOwen and Save The Dragons are both the quietest two players! It feels so hard to have feelings about them at the same level of the players who have many more posts! LavarManos and T3 felt like that too! It is so frustrating!
?????In post 2918, Dusa wrote:I'm bad, but that's not why!!!!!!
actually am I crazy for thinking this post likely comes from town
No that makes sense, the passive scum theory was part of my suspicion of Lavar. I guess I feel that if I was scum then I'd have actually tried to push a miselimination, rather than just floating around and crossing my fingers that town made mistakes on their own.In post 2916, GuiltyLion wrote: Maybe I'm misunderstanding your question here, but I feel like 3/4 executions on scumshouldindicate that town is generally the more active ones driving the game and correctly blocking/working together? My assumption is that scum would not want so many of theirs to go down this early and so they haven't had control deciding most of the eliminations, therefore I want to press more closely on slots that haven't steered much. I feel if both the remaining scums were influential voices, we would have had at least one more miselimination.
Back and forth requires two players, and you've been mostly the player who's actually pressed me for follow up opinions. Also, the previous two days have featured inevitable + agreeable executions, so I wasn't very motivated to try and provoke discussion with my posts. Obviously that's not very helpful but it's hard to see the point in speculating when I knew we'd be moving to a more informed game state soon anyway.In post 2916, GuiltyLion wrote: As for the rest of your post, that's fair. I keep having this dynamic with you where you say something that sounds off to me, I push on it, then your subsequent explanation does make more sense / is easier to see from town mindset. I think I'm struggling a bit sorting you or feeling good about your slot because it still feels like you have been primarily talking with me and I don't remember a lot of instances of back and forth or engagement between you and other players.
