Situation Room [Game Over!]

[Bingle]

Yuri Gagarin (5): Bell, OkaPoka, GuiltyLion, UNOwen, HypoTitus
Save The Dragons (4): Bingle,

TQoobee3

,

Gamma Emerald

, Dusa
GuiltyLion (3): Yuri Gagarin, Dannflor, Save The Dragons
Dannflor (1): AlmostSolo
LavarManos (1): DrippingGoofball
Not Voting (3): Not_Cupcake, LavarManos, FakeGod

@anyone townreading STD: why? Is it purely on the back of this?

[GuiltyLion]

I'm not really townreading STD but that's a big reason why I'm hesitant on scumreading him, yea - especially knowing that I'm town, I don't see why scum would be voting him as opposed to voting Yuri or my slot at that stage

also his lone post with Titus vote is failing to do anything today if he's scum? Why is that the only thing he posts, how does that help him long term

I do think if UNOwen conclusively town, that VC looks pretty bad for Yuri

[GuiltyLion]

Yuri Gagarin (6): Bell, OkaPoka, GuiltyLion, UNOwen, HypoTitus, Dusa
Not_Cupcake (5): Bingle, FakeGod, DrippingGoofball, Dannflor, AlmostSolo
GuiltyLion (2): Yuri Gagarin, Save The Dragons
Save The Dragons (1): Gamma Emerald
Not Voting (3): Not_Cupcake, LavarManos, TQoobee3

I also wanna challenge A50 on the Yuri/Dusa theory here - why would Dusa vote Yuri at this juncture when he is clearly the more competent (or at least engaged) teammate than Cupcake

[Bingle]

I want readslists from all of STD/UNO/Yuri/Dusa.

[UNOwen]

@Bingle
What you've posted, but also:

*BARRRRFFFFFF*

town
dann
oka
yuri
dgb
bell?

scum

gamma?

bingle?

cupcake?

qoobee

did cupcake butterfly do anything besides not being here

Does a scum player who lists three of his buddies in a scum pool of four also bother with a half-hearted attempt to slow a wagon on their absent partner day 1? And then go on to bus another partner on day 3. He didn't have great reasons for pushing T3, his "meta but I probably don't have enough" explanation isn't going to earn him much credit in the long run. So it seems inconsistent behaviour.

And I suppose StD forgetting his suspicion of Cupcake seems even less likely to be scum now. Forgetting your positioning about a town player is strange enough from scum but forgetting positioning on your own partner is hard for me to imagine.

[GuiltyLion]

VOTE: Yuri Gagarin

[Save The Dragons]

VOTE: Titus for now

Tell me more.

my only thought is t3 was bussing

[Save The Dragons]

t3 pretended to catch two of his scum buddies in a scumslip in one game i played in and he won, was wondering if he was pulling the same tactic

[Save The Dragons]

are you scumreading me bingle? why?

[Save The Dragons]

yuri is town
a50 is town
gl is town
dusa i think is town
unown i think is town
fakegod is ???
dgb could be scum
bingle could be scum
titus could be scum

[UNOwen]

I want readslists from all of STD/UNO/Yuri/Dusa.

I posted my reads earlier, but here they are again:

Town:
GuiltyLion
FakeGod
Titus ?
Bingle ??
StD ???????

Scum:
Almost50 ??????
Dusa ??????
DGB ????
Yuri ??

Dusa has dropped into the suspect pool since my last post, GuiltyLion has lost his question marks. Yuri is most suspicious of the suspicious folks.

[Dusa]

FakeGod 1000 Darkness
GuiltyLion 725 Darkness
Bingle 550 Darkness
Titus 500 Darkness
Almost50 400 Darkness
Yuri 300 Darkness
DGB 250 Darkness
STD 150 Darkness
Unowen 100 Darkness

[Titus]

Yuri Gagarin (5): Bell, OkaPoka, GuiltyLion, UNOwen, HypoTitus
Save The Dragons (4): Bingle,

TQoobee3

,

Gamma Emerald

, Dusa
GuiltyLion (3): Yuri Gagarin, Dannflor, Save The Dragons
Dannflor (1): AlmostSolo
LavarManos (1): DrippingGoofball
Not Voting (3): Not_Cupcake, LavarManos, FakeGod

@anyone townreading STD: why? Is it purely on the back of this?

Honestly yes

[GuiltyLion]

Can we talk about this VC

Votecount 1.32

Target	Wagon
Yuri Gagarin (6)	Bell (502), OkaPoka (758), GuiltyLion (773), UNOwen (811), Titus (877), Dusa (1075)
Cupcake Butterfly (5)	Bingle (976), FakeGod (981), DrippingGoofball (983), Dannflor (996), Almost50 (1013)
GuiltyLion (2)	Yuri Gagarin (805), Save The Dragons (880)
Save The Dragons (1)	Gamma Emerald (794)
Not Voting (3)	Cupcake Butterfly , LavarManos , T3 (1070)

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to eliminate. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2021-06-25 19:26:59).

If Yuri is town, what on earth were the three flipped scum doing here? Cupcake was posting in thread and choosing not to vote. T3 replaced in and unvoted his predecessor's STD vote, then didn't vote for several posts/pages. Gamma votes Cupcake shortly after this, and does so in such a scummy fashion that he becomes the D1 lim instead.

Why would scum!Gamma elect to vote his buddy here instead of voting literally anywhere else - he had given a TR on Yuri so I'm assuming regardless of Yuri's alignment he didn't want to flip flop on that by voting him, but why specifically push the counterwagon on his buddy instead of voting some other townie and seeing if Yuri could passively go through?

Gamma also soft defended Yuri as he was picking up votes:

Bell/UNOwen why are you voting Yuri rn?

okay I didn't mind Oka's vote but it feels like every single vote after that on Yuri has just been sheeping that reason which I don't really think is good enough

but that's probably because I'm also on the side of holy hell stop the mech talk for a bit

but in 5 additional votes on Yuri I haven't seen one new reason that I recall

Valid take

and then never mentioned him again.

Cupcake gave a long rambly townread on Yuri, but notably concluded his 'analysis' by still suggesting Yuri could be scum being avoided by his scum buddies

My first impression of Yuri was uncertainty because the starting of his posts focused largely on his interaction with you, Bingle, as well as opposition to mechanical discussion (in posts where he dismisses Oka's interjection and mechtalk to acquire a read). He doesn't break this until 545, when he shifts attention to GuiltyLion, Hypo, and Solo. Any feeling of an agenda begins to dissipate because there's no clear point of discussion that Yuri is basing his interactions around, which rings as likelier town since there's no set method to his posts. I liked the vote against Dannflor because that slot was vocal and Yuri's vote was the first against him, which felt both natural and uninhibited. I don't detect any content involving Dragons even though he was the largest wagon at the time, so there's little context to question whether Dann was meant to be a counterwagon. The aversion to being pocketed in 802 is something I don't think concerns scum in most situations, scum tends to work off players that they have some form of influence on, and Yuri both opposes this interaction and prevents it from someone else he's stated to have a hard time reading. I don't know his history on the site or with you, so I can't speak to his sincerity on how he perceives your slot. Part of me is weary about where your townread on him comes from, since it's not clear what you think about them beyond that "they're probably town."

The two of you don't feel TvS, and because this gamestate is a bit hard to find a consistent pace, and there's confirmed town among all the wagons so far numerically - I'm good with leaning into my assessment of town for at least this dayphase. Also because I've skimmed and noted that the largest factor in Yuri continuing discussion about his views of your slot and mechtalk are through inquiry from Dannflor and OkaPoka.

Since this translates to the gamestate having wagons bullseye-ing town, I'm losing trust in the votes on the current wagons.

And me being a counterwagon could imply two things I see right now:

1.

Scum are deflecting from a Yuri wagon, either to whiteknight a suspected town for credit or to protect a scumbuddy.

2.

I'm an easy vote for scum to jump onto since everybody generally scumreads me for two universally noted reasons: I have not committed to a scumread openly, and I have had inconsistent activity.

if Yuri is town there's almost certainly at least one scum if not both in {GL, UNOwen, Titus, Dusa}, yet he's been constantly suspecting A50 - who was voting on the scum counterwagon to his own slot? Why is Yuri looking there and not at people voting him when his wagon was largest?

[Titus]

I have been thinking Yuri was scum the entire time GL.

Otherwise, I completely get what you're saying.

[GuiltyLion]

Also notably, for someone who has spent a lot of time saying he wants to be in every hood, Yuri left his vote on me (despite being around and calling Gamma scum in 1285:

Guess I should say something that counts as content actually, err

Bell is town

Gamma is scum

Cool game

and didn't move until Gamma was fully inevitable:

Votecount 1.33

Target	Wagon
Cupcake Butterfly (4)	Bingle (976), FakeGod (981), Almost50 (1013), Gamma Emerald (1123)
Yuri Gagarin (4)	Bell (502), OkaPoka (758), UNOwen (811), Titus (877)
Gamma Emerald (4)	Dusa (1132), Dannflor (1152), DrippingGoofball (1154), GuiltyLion (1165)
GuiltyLion (2)	Yuri Gagarin (805), Save The Dragons (880)
Not Voting (3)	Cupcake Butterfly, LavarManos, T3 (1070)

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to eliminate. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2021-06-25 19:26:59).

Votecount 1.35

Target	Wagon
Gamma Emerald (7)	Dusa (1132), Dannflor (1152), DrippingGoofball (1154), GuiltyLion (1165), Save The Dragons (1188), OkaPoka (1230), T3 (1239)
Cupcake Butterfly (4)	Bingle (976), FakeGod (981), Almost50 (1013), Gamma Emerald (1123)
Yuri Gagarin (2)	UNOwen (811), Titus (877)
GuiltyLion (1)	Yuri Gagarin (805)
Not Voting (3)	Cupcake Butterfly, LavarManos, Bell (1241)

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to eliminate. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2021-06-25 19:26:59).

Votecount 1.37

Target	Wagon
Gamma Emerald (8)	Dusa (1132), Dannflor (1152), DrippingGoofball (1154), GuiltyLion (1165), Save The Dragons (1188), OkaPoka (1230), T3 (1239), Yuri Gagarin (1324)
Cupcake Butterfly (4)	Bingle (976), FakeGod (981), Almost50 (1013), Gamma Emerald (1123)
Yuri Gagarin (2)	UNOwen (811), Titus (877)
Not Voting (3)	Cupcake Butterfly, LavarManos, Bell (1241)

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to eliminate. The Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2021-06-25 19:26:59).

[Dusa]

GuiltyLion has brave theories! I think GuiltyLion has Athena boons!

[Dusa]

Yuri! Explain your speedrun strategy for Room 0!

[Bingle]

are you scumreading me bingle? why?

It’s more that I’m not townreading you and a bunch of people are. You’ve been incredibly absent and I think it’s weird that people are locktowning you.

Why are you scumreading me?

[Almost50]

@anyone townreading STD: why? Is it purely on the back of this?

partially, but the main reason is an early readlist where he listed all flipped scum as scumreads.

[Almost50]

Yuri Gagarin (6): Bell, OkaPoka, GuiltyLion, UNOwen, HypoTitus, Dusa
Not_Cupcake (5): Bingle, FakeGod, DrippingGoofball, Dannflor, AlmostSolo
GuiltyLion (2): Yuri Gagarin, Save The Dragons
Save The Dragons (1): Gamma Emerald
Not Voting (3): Not_Cupcake, LavarManos, TQoobee3

I also wanna challenge A50 on the Yuri/Dusa theory here - why would Dusa vote Yuri at this juncture when he is clearly the more competent (or at least engaged) teammate than Cupcake

I have NO idea. Maybe ask her post game?

[Almost50]

@Bingle
What you've posted, but also:

*BARRRRFFFFFF*

town
dann
oka
yuri
dgb
bell?

scum

gamma?

bingle?

cupcake?

qoobee

did cupcake butterfly do anything besides not being here

Does a scum player who lists three of his buddies in a scum pool of four also bother with a half-hearted attempt to slow a wagon on their absent partner day 1? And then go on to bus another partner on day 3. He didn't have great reasons for pushing T3, his "meta but I probably don't have enough" explanation isn't going to earn him much credit in the long run. So it seems inconsistent behaviour.

And I suppose StD forgetting his suspicion of Cupcake seems even less likely to be scum now. Forgetting your positioning about a town player is strange enough from scum but forgetting positioning on your own partner is hard for me to imagine.

^THIS^

[Almost50]

bingle could be scum

Bingle cannot be scum or this would be his worst Scum play yet. Scum!Bingle would have used my proposed best Scum play plan, with some minor tweaking of his own. He wasn't even om Gamma, and losing 2 more scum buddies isn't exactly his best performance if he was Scum.

[Bingle]

I think there is one scum in Yuri/Uno. They might both be town, but they're not S/S. I also don't think Yuri is scum with STD given that one of the two committing to the bus on GE and the other sticking to the vanity wagon is weird optics even past the clumping of scum votes. Technically, FG/Yuri could be S/S given the defenses from FG, but I really do think Gamma spewed FG town here. Titus/Yuri and A50/Yuri are both hilarious to me. I don't think GL cases Yuri right now if they're partners. GL is already probably capable of endgaming alone, he doesn't need to do that. DGB could be scum with Yuri, as could Dusa. I imagine I'm probably a pretty likely Yuri teammate from an external viewpoint, but I also think I'm pretty obvtown here.

That leaves two potential partners for Yuri scum FMPOV. Thoughts?

[Dusa]

My joke comment earlier than as mimicking UnOwen! No one laughed... I am not funny..
I do not think UnOwen is reacting in to today's developments in a way that seems like someone who is good! I think UnOwen is the most likely to be bad!

However, that's based on my feelings! I am not as smart as GuiltyLion....
GuiltyLion's writings about Yuri did make a lot of sense!

I want to think more! Dusa takes so long! UNVOTE: