Silent Star 4: Yin and Yang

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so im thinking hectic loves playing around with the number of baddies in the game right?

like last time it was 6 scum and that was a real curveball

but what if this time he went like even further and threw in like 8 or 9 or 10 baddies?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

how would you balance a game with an

informed majority

instead of an informed minority?

[Morning Tweet]

Okay... now how would that work exactly. In a way, Lunacy *sort of* did that. Are the baddies the uninformed still?

pedit: Uhhhhhhhh hm..........

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

one way I thought would be possible in a 9 mafia vs 4 town game would be to have the mafia votes count for only 10% of a normal vote, whereas the town votes count as full votes.

Now a elim will never get reached because it's impossible to have a player hit 7 votes when the total amount of voting power in the game is really just 4.9, - hence the need for the plurality voting rules..

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so what would the scum be doing in such a game?

for one they would never let a wagon hit 7 votes, as if it did and the game didn't result in an elim, the gig would be up?

so they would be shuffling their votes around to make things never get there, but they also have to manipulate the "real" town votes such that town elim themselves - they need townies to vote townies, I would expect this type of setup to have no nightkills.

[Morning Tweet]

What are people to think when 7 votes are reached and nothing happens, though?

Oh, maybe mafia would... not let that happen.

Which technically could be happening right now

pedit: I see, i see i see

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

That would explain why people aren't voting.

why we can't seem to get a wagon to go anywhere

and why people keep shuffling their votes around like they're playing musical chairs or some bullshit

[Morning Tweet]

There being people here who do not want a majority to happen is certainly a possibility

Course.. this happens in regular games of mafia, too.

But.. hm..... there's gotta be a reason Ircher hasn't quite gotten thru yet, right?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

in the above system I outlined, if every townie voted a different player, the mafia could basically pile onto the one elim they want, and their (10%) votes would work as a tiebreaker mechanism to vote out their target.

Also it wouldn't look suspect to us because it would look like more players are voting for the elim in total, if 1 townie and 4 mafia vote for someone, and thats the leading wagon at 1.4, it would look like a leading wagon at 5 going thru.

Now obviously I don't know for sure what type of weighting system would be used to balance this kind of game but that's just speculation

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

and you know how much Hectic just LOVES conspiracy.

so this would totally be up his alley.

[Morning Tweet]

If like 75% of the game is mafia that would mean almost everything that's been happening is theatre and idsk if im prepared to handle that possibility

Now this might just be because it's late and i havent slept, but now im legitimately afraid of being out of a big loop now. thank u for that

Is there a grand conspiracy around the wagon movements to hide something???? I am now

<<worried>>

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Tweetie you're the only person I can trust I think.

Or are you part of the conspiracy >.>

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

lets vote together regardless of what happens.

if somehow our votes together cause someone to die even tho nobody else is voting for them, I'll know that something really messed up is going on

[Morning Tweet]

works for me, there's no way you would tell me of this if you were a part of the conspiracy and therefore know it's true

that'd be too much

For the record if that is actually happening, I *****think***** Tanner is with us? Or would it be Robert? one of them surely

Pooky im scared

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

um if i was part of a grand conspiracy I sure wouldn't be spouting conspiracy theories

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i'm not like

THAT

creative

[Morning Tweet]

ah okay that's reassuring

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(¬ω¬) i think

[Morning Tweet]

To calm myself -- the Yin/Yang mechanics haven't done anything to suggest this (What are criminals? What's the point of Yin/Yang then?) and there is a lot of theatre required. Plus like, wagons being fucky happens in mafia sometimes

Still, there is definitely a reason Ircher (or anyone else) hasn't gone thru, dunno what

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well i wish i could spoil the big surprise, but i don’t know if theres a big surprise.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tweetie you're the only person I can trust I think.

Or are you part of the conspiracy >.>

Why do you only trust him?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Her*

[Amy Dunne]

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Votecount 1.20

[4] Ircher:

PookyTheMagicalBear, Robert M Hunter, NorwegianboyEE, Morning Tweet

[3] Satoru Nakata:

Infinity 324, Chara, clidd

[1] Infinity 324:

Tanner

[1] Morning Tweet:

Satoru Nakata

[4] Not Voting:

Ircher, Flea The Magician, Ydrasse, Amy Dunne

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to sentence. If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-07-07 18:10:20).

Joint moderator ISO.

Sorry guys, I haven’t been online. Catching up, I really don’t believe Nakata actually sr Tweetie. Ircher hasn’t been townie, so there’s no reason whatsoever to sr her push on him. While I’m having extreme difficulty seeing Ircher town, I also wonder if some players insisting that he actually is, could possibly be a tmi on him, because outside of what Yin said - and considering that both Yin and Yang agree that Yang is a heroine and Yin is the complete opposite of that - I’m extremely sceptical.

I think that perhaps what scum is doing - or possibly just Yin? - is the try to confuse the hell out of us - in order not to have an elim and now there’s not even a leading wagon, so eliming ant of Nakata/Ircher/Infinity is probably betterfor us than not eliming anyone.

[Amy Dunne]

Interesting that we aren't allowed to no eliminate. Also it's called sentencing, so I guess it technically might do something odd.

To the people who think we shouldn't kill Ircher... why exactly? I get that he might be town, I dont think it's an assured scum hit, but he's the most suspicious and I dont think his explanation of "I was just trolling" and "trying out a new playstyle" are enough to cover his gameplay. Norwe (i think) made a good point earlier that Ircher hasn't exactly been an advisory role to town even if you do take into account he intentionally wasn't scumhunting or forming reads.

I don't think we should slide off Ircher elsewhere today. Does anyone have a convincing argument for why we should?

If I could hammer one of Nakata/Ircher/Infinity I would just to get us an elim. I’m worried that no elim is somehow mech proscum in this setup, or else scum would be hardpushing something - unless Nakata/Ircher/Infinity is the team, and that’s why? I think if any townie was getting run up, the day would already be over, because scum seems fine with the current situation.

[Amy Dunne]

-Nakata said that the people on his wagon were trying to get ydrasse to look bad after he flipped town, that seems like something scum would never do and seems made up

-Nakata's SR on amy had like no reasoning and it felt like he was trying to appease amy in their interactions which he wouldn't do as town

PEdit: I don't know, maybe he thought I was limbait anyway

Nakata is saying that Amy Dunne is telling a lie by saying that Nakata was hardpushing Robert M Hunter when Nakata has done no such thing!

Nakata would appreciate Amy Dunne not taking personal insult, Nakata has no problems with anyone in this playerlist, Nakata simply thinks that Amy Dunne is scum. Nakata doesn't know what Amy Dunne is expecting him to say when she says "tell me why I'm wrong on you". Nakata has already told you that he is town!

Nakata does not believe Amy Dunne. Nakata thinks that if Amy Dunne is scum, that's exactly what she'd say, and that her attempts to push Nakata while not being accurate in her depiction of what Nakata has done this game show that her primary interest is in limming him and not sorting him, whereas if she were town Nakata thinks she'd be more interested in the sorting part.

@amy He's spending more time talking about how you shouldn't be upset that he's scumreading you and saying that he scumreads you rather than explaining his actual reasoning. The reasoning itself has a lot to do with you saying he was hardpushing Robert instead of just pushing Robert. It's all very fake.

like you have a very ... strong reaction to being pushed on no offence but if you seemed viable at the time (and i think you were before you actually started interacting with him) i understand why a scum!satoru would go for it before realizing.

Ydrassee <3 you're so much better at wording it than me

This is my nakata read

I think Nakatas reads are made up looking, if my posts and what Chara/clidd said earlier about them are any indicator.

I get the feeling Nakata may have not played with Amy much before. I disagree that he tried to appease her though. I see that he let up on his scumread on her, although this is something i see happen very often to ppl's reads when amy takes a scumread as a personal insult. I'm not sure it's AI

i think you make a good point that his reasoning for the Amy read is very thin. It's pretty much as deep as his reasoning for mine. He definitely focused on how her reaction was unwarranted, ye, although Nakata hasn't really had stellar reasoning for any SR this game.

I could probably buy Nakata being confusing over Ircher overall. I think Nakata has a greater chance of believing what he's saying over Ircher at the very least, even if not by much. For example Nakata voting me and saying he thinks he's about to die so he needs to make sure everyone knows he scumreads me for almost no reason. Like it doesn't make sense but *mayyybe* he believes it. Ircher threatening to self hammer and actively not making reads this game is harder for me to believe that he thought it was protown

Do you seriously believe Nakata’s honestly thinking you and Norwee are a team? I find his push on you not believable.

[Amy Dunne]

I keep having visions of Pooky laughing at me in a scum PT somewhere, and Infinity is there too. The whole gang! All laughing and pointing at me.

to be honest i am coming around to the town Pooky world, and it does have something to do with his post where he was like "yes i would never want to deal with that" when Amy was talking about how he wouldn't do what he did this game as scum.

yes i know. me too.

(and it also has to do with the post on me like i said earlier.)

do you scumread him or is this a paranoia read?

I don’t think you’re scum and Yin is probably messing with us.