Silent Star 4: Yin and Yang

[NorwegianboyEE]

I have put in other efforts around the mech work. the questions Yin hasn't answered has been around 1 or 2 players.
I expect Tanner would have made a bigger deal from Yin basically scumclaiming him.
My sus list is every player that has been in a response from yin, and number of times they've been asked about, which is for my own methods. The grouplist is the one to worry about.

Like I said from the start, we could've coordinated questions to try and work this out, but nooooooooooo fleas a funkiller.

I don't really scumread Tanner, and i think that's a slot that tends to get N1'ed or N2'ed in so many games if town that they'll just get automatically caught as scum before then.

[Tanner]

I expect Tanner would have made a bigger deal from Yin basically scumclaiming him.

why would i have? it was always easily possible that (1) being a criminal doesn't correlate with alignment and/or (2) yin is at least sometimes lying - i don't think anyone ever believed that we could just *ask* who the scum is. all my question did was confirm to me that at least one of those is the case (assuming it's not the 4 town vs 9 scum theory). like, why should i be making a big deal out of learning that this weird shady game mechanic is indeed weird and shady?

[Flea The Magician]

I expect Tanner would have made a bigger deal from Yin basically scumclaiming him.

why would i have? it was always easily possible that (1) being a criminal doesn't correlate with alignment and/or (2) yin is at least sometimes lying - i don't think anyone ever believed that we could just *ask* who the scum is. all my question did was confirm to me that at least one of those is the case (assuming it's not the 4 town vs 9 scum theory). like, why should i be making a big deal out of learning that this weird shady game mechanic is indeed weird and shady?

So what DID you learn from your question?

[Tanner]

(1) being a criminal doesn't mean someone is scum, and/or (2) yin is at least sometimes lying.

[Flea The Magician]

And you didn't think to follow that up to determine a result?

[Tanner]

sorry, not sure what you're trying to ask me?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

why would tanner follow up with yin if he doesn't think yin is necessarily telling the truth to begin with?

[Flea The Magician]

Two options presented themselves,
Either the definition of criminal needs to be checked, or Yins truthfullness needs to be checked.

[Tanner]

i thought about trying to get yin to contradict himself somewhere to see if it's (3), but since it's obviously too close to end of day, that's gonna have to wait.

i mean, i said that i want to try to get yin to contradict himself to see if we can determine that he sometimes lies, but the day will be over before he posts again. not sure what you'd be expecting of me to do here.

and sure, someone can ask if being a criminal mean being scum (i know that it doesn't, but you don't have to take my word for it) - though we objectively can't know if he'd be truthful about that, and again, there is no time.

[Flea The Magician]

"In the context of this game, what are the traits that make someone a criminal?

"Can there be town-aligned criminals in this game?"

[Morning Tweet]

in yin yang 2077, what makes someone a criminal?

[Morning Tweet]

and with Flea voting Tanner there is officially some kind of conspiracy surrounding the wagons

Not necessarily lots of scum. But....... what is going on

[Morning Tweet]

I mean let’s not give Ircher so much credit here.
If Ircher was scum with an scum partner that was completely frozen would you not start buzzing at that point?
But yeah, defo Infinity today based on this.

i legitimately cannot be convinced that there isnt something up with Ircher this game and him being town aligned makes almost no sense

Also, laughed at Chara's comment on it lol

I'm fine with Infy dying though. Let's see what happens

[Morning Tweet]

90%

i have never seen infinity act like this even when shes pushed or pressured she still responds and solves and does things and i don’t think she would roll over willingly and die if she was town

if she gets to shoot after she dies or something give me the fucking bullet if it means people stop saying she’s towny

yeah but the game is an anomaly in general not an anomaly within her town games, right? What's special about town infinity doing it vs scum Infy?

[Morning Tweet]

Dang infy hasn't posted at all today? ;C

Its possible that the pressure on her was a factor in her difficulty getting into the game. I have seen her withstand early pressure often in the past of course, but nyah. Its probably more scummy than not yeah

I cannot wait to see what happens next

[Ydrasse]

90%

i have never seen infinity act like this even when shes pushed or pressured she still responds and solves and does things and i don’t think she would roll over willingly and die if she was town

if she gets to shoot after she dies or something give me the fucking bullet if it means people stop saying she’s towny

yeah but the game is an anomaly in general not an anomaly within her town games, right? What's special about town infinity doing it vs scum Infy?

i don’t see town infinity doing this and i especially don’t see her logging onto mafiascum going “today i will not look at this game where i am suspected and a potential wagon without intervening” as the votes hop on like it’s absolutely no damage control which like, im thinking of it in terms of /scummy/ moreso than unique to infinity; the meta that i have is just a small benefit to her behavior at large

[Ydrasse]

idk man maybe i’m assuming way too much but given she was online i would have expected even a “i’m really sorry guys” or SOMETHING

[Ydrasse]

but like even if she showed up to do that now it’s too late in my eyes

[clidd]

[Tanner]

if i may chime in on the meta, in a recent game (mini normal 2201 i think?) there was a similar deadline wagon situation, where infinity's wagon was competing with someone else's, and she was very present and even openly said she's trying to townspew to prove herself town. so i don't know if it's some kind of weird motivation loss this game, but it's definitely not the town!infinity i've seen before.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what if its a team of jesters

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

that would be lulz

[clidd]

Not impossible ^

But it's probably something else.

[Ydrasse]

Hectic would not be seen again

[clidd]

Hey Ydrasse.