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[MURDERCAT]

Vote Count 1.3

[2] T3: House, Infinity 324
[2] House: Flea The Magician, Bingle
[1] mastina: T3
[1] Almost50: Dwlee99
[1] Flea The Magician: Momrangal
[1] Infinity 324: cyrus62
[1] Taly: Almost50
[1] Dwlee99: NDMath
[1] Momrangal: mastina
[0] Bingle:
[0] cyrus62:
[0] Dunnstral:
[0] NDMath:

Not voting: Dunnstral, Taly

With 13 alive it takes 7 to eliminate.

Deadline expires in

(expired on 2021-07-20 22:28:21).

[Infinity 324]

Not because of you, I thought t3's response felt evasive and I think town would at least have a reason why mastina's early reads post this time was different from her post in townstumps.

I can't explain why I townread him better than I did in 169.

[Infinity 324]

You look like you're trying to actually figure out T3's motivations

Really? I don't think I gave any indication of that

[Bingle]

I don't see why anyone thinks mastina's early d1 reads are AI one way or the other.

I have a very long history with mastina and it is most certainly possible to read her off of her early play. She does have subtle tells. I don't actually scumread her at the moment, she just knows I don't like being townread early. Basically it was an inverse OMGUS vote.

[House]

Why did you think T3 seemed towny before my push?

Meta. T3 feels more solvey and active than he does as scum.

Why did my push change that?

[House]

Why did you think T3 seemed towny before my push?

Meta. T3 feels more solvey and active than he does as scum.

Why did my push change that?

Ignore this post, I need to catch up.

[Dwlee99]

I voted the monkey and he never showed up and I feel slighted.

[House]

sounds like he has a conclusion he wants to make and is justifying it.

Bullshit.

T3 is scumreading mastina for something he JUST saw her do as town in a game all 3 of us just finished.

[cyrus62]

please leave house be i will know if he is scum or town d2 thanks.

[Dwlee99]

T3 case is like a thing but not enough for me to want to throw the slot out a window quite yet. I like Bungler's return as well

Pedit: leaving bungler cause it's funny

[Bingle]

@Infi

Spoiler: The progression that made me think you're actually trying to read T3

VOTE: t3

Ok

Do you have a response to mastina?

Yes.

You don't have a response to mastina or?

see efforts to appear as town--but looking at them I don't actually see town.

I actually see no efforts to appear town, which is actually part of why I find him towny. He gives me similar vibes to where I played with town!him before, and said that the less he explains himself the more likely he is to be town.

please leave house be i will know if he is scum or town d2 thanks.

No. I poke people with sticks. That's what I do.

[Bingle]

T3 is scumreading mastina for something he JUST saw her do as town in a game all 3 of us just finished.

Counterpoint:

Given the presumption that T3 knows mastina's opener is NAI or town indicative, why does scum T3 fake that read in a lobby that knows mastina?

[House]

T3 is scumreading mastina for something he JUST saw her do as town in a game all 3 of us just finished.

Counterpoint:

Given the presumption that T3 knows mastina's opener is NAI or town indicative, why does scum T3 fake that read in a lobby that knows mastina?

Already stated. It's an easy thing to duplicate since he's done it as town, which is what I suspect he's doing because of his unwillingness to accept the fact that posting early reads isn't some sort of magical scum tell for her.

He's invested in his narrative.

[Bingle]

The presumption being that T3, knowing that mastina's behavior is NAI and also that there is a playerlist overlap indicating that, chooses to emulate his towngame by faking a tunnel on mastina over said NAI behavior.

Alternatively:

This is far from T3's first game with me.

T3 is reacting in a similar way to mastina as he did in a recent game as town. Based on mastina knowing the alt and the assertion here that they've played together, presumably many times, T3's reaction to mastina in townstumps wasn't a blind reaction to not knowing mastina's style.

So, there's someone here who is going "You do this thing as town and I think it's scummy" at worst. And you're pushing him as that being a performative action that you explicitly know he does as town. Why?

[Bingle]

*You're pushing him as scum for that being

[House]

And you're pushing him as that being a performative action that you explicitly know he does as town. Why?

You're asking a question I've already posted an answer to not just once but twice. Why?

[House]

You act like I'm calling for his head on a platter thought this second, Bingle. That's ridiculous.

A vote is more than just a weapon. It's also a tool.

T3 sees that he's a scumreading and he knows why. What he does with that information is just as informative as what he's done to earn the vote.

[House]

You act like I'm calling for his head on a platter right this second, Bingle. That's ridiculous.

A vote is more than just a weapon. It's also a tool.

T3 sees that he's a scumreading and he knows why. What he does with that information is just as informative as what he's done to earn the vote.

Edit

[Infinity 324]

So, there's someone here who is going "You do this thing as town and I think it's scummy" at worst.

For one, I'm not sure I've seen a townie push someone using this reasonably, so you haven't really gotten to a reasonable towny explanation for T3's behavior imo. The scummiest part to me, though, is how t3 reacted to being called out. First he avoided responding, then he avoided responding again, then he said he "didn't realize it was RVS" when it clearly wasn't. It just feels like the type of response a newer scum player would come up with when they messed up.

[House]

You act like I'm calling for his head on a platter right this second, Bingle. That's ridiculous.

A vote is more than just a weapon. It's also a tool.

T3 sees that he's a scumread and he knows why. What he does with that information is just as informative as what he's done to earn the vote.

Edit

Sigh. Again. Sorry.

[Dwlee99]

Bingle I feel like your arguments make me think t3 is more likely scum but you think the opposite so why are we incongruent here?

[cyrus62]

Bingle I feel like your arguments make me think t3 is more likely scum but you think the opposite so why are we incongruent here?

i like you but cant trust you in games your just way to good as scum.

[Dwlee99]

If you think I'm town you'll be right like at least 75% of the time which isn't too bad.

[Flea The Magician]

Bingle voted mastina for something. I don't have any reasons to read mastina as scum or town other than that. I would say Mom is a scumread because she tends to lurk as scum (eg. dogs vs cats).

Thanks for that.

Remind me, who is Mom again? Also, I'm not familiar with the game you're referencing. Does Mom only lurk as scum or are there times this has also happened as town?

From what I've seen she basically tries to coast the entire game as scum. She's more proactive as town. Mom is Momrangal.

Yeah this....

VOTE: Mom

[Flea The Magician]

please leave scumhouse be i buy him time until d2 so he can use his pr thanks.

ftfy