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Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3550 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:51 am

In post 3546, VFP wrote:
In post 3543, Dwlee99 wrote:Why does scum!Kyo roleblock what they think is a mason soft?
We don't know what's informed yet from scum.
But SSBM knew that Anya was lying some what. Scum SSBM will claim to think they were Mason as much as town.

Is kyouko the type to take a fake mason claim and run with it as scum?

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3551 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:53 am

If I’m not dead by D6 then you can entertain yeeting me

Titus · Post Post #3552 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 1:07 pm

I need to full reset but I feel so apathetic towards this game and I know I shouldn't live to lylo.

ChaosOmega · Post Post #3553 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:02 pm

UNVOTE: Andres

I think I need a reset too.

In post 3551, Gamma Emerald wrote:If I’m not dead by D6 then you can entertain yeeting me

This is where I'm at as well. Also, PT cop with functionally PT-less masons makes extremely little sense for scum to have, so I'm inclined to just call you mech-town.

In post 3532, Save The Dragons wrote:
In post 3513, Gypyx wrote:Anya (7) : Titus - Dragon Of The West - DrippingGoofball - VFP - T3 - Gamma Emerald - Dwlee99 Execution
someone on this wagon is scum

I think you're right.

VOTE: Dwlee

Dwlee99 · Post Post #3554 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 2:03 pm

Dragon of the West · Post Post #3555 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:32 pm

1) The PT cop claim seems like a fake claim that made sense before scum found out that DGB and I weren't masons
2) There's no PT, PT cop doesn't make a lot of sense based on what we know about the setup. The odd night modifier is a convenient way to have to provide fewer results
3) If Gamma is town there's no way they live to investigate a 3rd person and report results. Even if Gamma lived to D6, you'd have to flip them to get conftowns and scum can NK future conftowns faster than gamma can investigate if they're odd night. If we flip them now we either lim scum!Gamma or get 2 more conftown based on gamma's PT cop results. One conftown would get NK'd tonight leaving 2 conftown. If we wait until D6 and gamma is scum then they'll have limmed me by then and we'll have no conftown.

Titus · Post Post #3556 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:39 pm

VOTE: Gamma

Baaah.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #3557 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:42 pm

Just because a gunsmith exists doesn't mean any role that can mislead it will, sometimes it's just that simple
also, traitor could be a false negative so my clears aren't entirely clears, they just make it so the people aren't priority eliminations (since traitor loses if it's the last scum alive)

Dwlee99 · Post Post #3558 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:50 pm

Can I remind y'all that tomorrow is MELO if we eliminate wrong?

Titus · Post Post #3559 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:51 pm

Dwelee, is there anything wrong with DotW analysis?

Dragon of the West · Post Post #3560 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:55 pm

If we lim Gamma and they're town -> we go into tomorrow with 2 conftown
If we lim Gamma and they're scum -> one less scum, no MELO tomorrow
If we don't lim Gamma and lim town -> I get NK'd and there's no conftown
If we don't lim Gamma and lim scum -> I get NK'd; one less scum but no conftown

Dragon of the West · Post Post #3561 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:58 pm

Who hasn't claimed yet? Anyone besides Dwlee?

Dragon of the West · Post Post #3562 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:59 pm

In post 3558, Dwlee99 wrote:Can I remind y'all that tomorrow is MELO if we eliminate wrong?

This is coming from the slot that's been limming purely through POE

Dragon of the West · Post Post #3563 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:14 pm

I am 100% open to the idea that I'm thinking about this wrong mechanically... Someone just needs to show me where I'm thinking incorrectly OR make an argument for a slot that's actually convincing and not PoE

Dwlee99 · Post Post #3564 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:31 pm

I guess I follow the logic there. Maybe it works out to do it that way. VT btw

I'm slightly concerned that if we are in a traitor game that today is actually MELO but I don't think this game would really be balanced with two traitors here

Dwlee99 · Post Post #3565 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:35 pm

If anyone else hasn't claimed they probably should today

Dwlee99 · Post Post #3566 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 5:15 pm

My non-poe read here is chaos and I it's part OMGUS but I don't like 3553

Also feel like the slot has been coasting. I understand the DotW logic here on killing gamma and I think he (DotW) dies regardless of what flips happen today. I don't know if I trust myself to pick correctly tomorrow if Gamma flips town even with two "conf"town. ("Conf" cause traitors can exist).

VFP · Post Post #3567 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 8:18 pm

In post 3555, Dragon of the West wrote:1) The PT cop claim seems like a fake claim that made sense before scum found out that DGB and I weren't masons
2) There's no PT, PT cop doesn't make a lot of sense based on what we know about the setup. The odd night modifier is a convenient way to have to provide fewer results
3) If Gamma is town there's no way they live to investigate a 3rd person and report results. Even if Gamma lived to D6, you'd have to flip them to get conftowns and scum can NK future conftowns faster than gamma can investigate if they're odd night. If we flip them now we either lim scum!Gamma or get 2 more conftown based on gamma's PT cop results. One conftown would get NK'd tonight leaving 2 conftown. If we wait until D6 and gamma is scum then they'll have limmed me by then and we'll have no conftown.

This makes sense.
If town, Gamma is effectively VT at this point.

Tomorrow, with the assumption that DotW is killed, we have T3 and Dragons in a safe spot, or 1 scum left.

I'm okay to go here.

VFP · Post Post #3568 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 8:21 pm

In post 3564, Dwlee99 wrote:I'm slightly concerned that if we are in a traitor game that today is actually MELO but I don't think this game would really be balanced with two traitors here

The problem with there being a traitor and Gamma being town, is our cop then has 2 nerfs. Restricted visiting and restricted guilty results.
Gamma town means no traitor imo.

Dragon of the West · Post Post #3569 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 11:30 pm

In post 3553, ChaosOmega wrote:This is where I'm at as well. Also, PT cop with functionally PT-less masons makes extremely little sense for scum to have, so I'm inclined to just call you mech-town.

Are you just assuming they're being honest about being a PT cop?

Dragon of the West · Post Post #3570 (ISO) » Fri Jul 09, 2021 12:13 am

Also, if Gamma flips town then our pool we had them choose from yesterday probably didn't have scum in it

Dragon of the West · Post Post #3571 (ISO) » Fri Jul 09, 2021 12:17 am

In post 3568, VFP wrote:
In post 3564, Dwlee99 wrote:I'm slightly concerned that if we are in a traitor game that today is actually MELO but I don't think this game would really be balanced with two traitors here
The problem with there being a traitor and Gamma being town, is our cop then has 2 nerfs. Restricted visiting and restricted guilty results.
Gamma town means no traitor imo.

Would it be a "buff" to a town!PT cop that there's no town PT so they effectively get a mafia result if they find someone with a PT? Not sure if that would balance traitors/odd night or not

VFP · Post Post #3572 (ISO) » Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:18 am

In post 3571, Dragon of the West wrote:Would it be a "buff" to a town!PT cop that there's no town PT so they effectively get a mafia result if they find someone with a PT? Not sure if that would balance traitors/odd night or not

No, it just wouldn't be a nerf. Well, unless you argue what players expect to what players get.
That's my view on it though.

Dwlee99 · Post Post #3573 (ISO) » Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:19 am

I had a dream that Titus and someone named Connor were the last scum. I might be playing too much mafia.

ChaosOmega · Post Post #3574 (ISO) » Fri Jul 09, 2021 1:20 am

In post 3569, Dragon of the West wrote:
In post 3553, ChaosOmega wrote:This is where I'm at as well. Also, PT cop with functionally PT-less masons makes extremely little sense for scum to have, so I'm inclined to just call you mech-town.
Are you just assuming they're being honest about being a PT cop?

I am, I guess. I'm old, the last time I played here that wasn't a thing, so I thought it was a weird thing to fakeclaim. If the claim is truthful, then Rathe investigated StD N1 and then had the exchange with him from 2559 to 2562. 2559 makes sense with it saying he's ok, but 2561/2562 reads more like Rathe is trying to sort StD then having a result on him. I know not in a PT isn't a clear, but not scum should be way higher on your list than traitor.