FGO: Mafia in the Lostbelt - 2 Game Over

Servant Lancer · Post Post #1475 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:46 pm

In post 1473, Servant Caster wrote:
In post 951, Servant Moon Cancer wrote:VOTE: Saber
Well, that is easy. Thanks for claiming scum.

In post 1024, Servant Moon Cancer wrote:
In post 1021, Servant Assassin wrote:The last, and only, specific reason to scumread Alter came from post 238. I don't find it convincing. How has that read matured over time and what specific posts can you point to as to support your conclusions?
That read has not changed. It is fully based on the early posts on Alter Ego having more evasive words in their posts than any normal townie. And no post of Alter Ego after that time has caused me to reconsider.

I think we have gotten everything we could have before the first elimination. We should move on.
^

Do we have thoughts on whether Moon Cancer posts this about Saber!Scum?

archer says yes. I don't know yet

In post 1472, Servant Caster wrote:
In post 1453, Servant Lancer wrote:just gonna say... I think this conversation did more to make me scumread Ruler than anything else this game. weird focus on me/alter who I think are two of the towniest slots in the game, for pushing avenger who clearly made either a scum-motivated or suboptimal play. no comment on any of the numerous other slots who had a way scummier reaction to the gladiate; no comment on the moon cancer wagon which alter and I were both pushing pretty hard.
?

Ruler is very town imo.

Mastina!town and Mastina!scum look nothing alike.

when it was just mastina making weird takes, I was fine townreading that slot. a second person with takes that are really really far off from consensus seems too much of a coincidence.

Servant Lancer · Post Post #1476 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:47 pm

not consensus but rather, thoughts that I can understand

Servant Caster · Post Post #1477 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:48 pm

In post 1475, Servant Lancer wrote:when it was just mastina making weird takes, I was fine townreading that slot. a second person with takes that are really really far off from consensus seems too much of a coincidence.

Mastina Town and Mastina Scum sound nothing alike

Servant Caster · Post Post #1478 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:49 pm

how does having takes that are off consensus make you think they are scum?

if they are widely townread and want to deepwolf they should be making consensus takes and avoiding rocking the boat.

Servant Caster · Post Post #1479 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:49 pm

you being unable to understand their thoughts doesn't mean they are scum.

Mastina's role pm didn't change...

Servant Lancer · Post Post #1480 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:51 pm

if you want me to try to explain how I read people, I will, but it sounds like you're going to tell me my methods are wrong so I don't think it's going to be very productive.

I've already mentioned my experience with mastina is very limited.

Servant Archer · Post Post #1481 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:52 pm

Seriously....

@RULER. I asked you the same questions in 1290, 1380, 1384, and 1449, and I still do not feel like I have gotten an adequate answer :/

(I know you sorta answered 1 of those questions in 1444, but I did not understand your answer for the 1 question you did answer and you failed to answer the other)

Question 1Why were you so angry that we voted for Avenger>Foreigner during the gladiate?
Specifically, what lead to you making these posts:

Spoiler:

Question 2In those posts ^^ why did you hone in on lancer/alter, when several people voted for avenger

In post 1250, Cabd wrote:Avenger (6): Lancer, Foreigner, Alter Ego, Saber, Archer, Caster

I feel that I was making the same arguements, just as loudly. I feel that saber made the same argument, albeit a little quieter -- so why did you hone in on Alter/Lancer?

Servant Lancer · Post Post #1482 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:53 pm

In post 1474, Servant Ruler wrote:I've got alot of blind spots, probably to many.

I saw several people voting avenger for "bad play" and " sub optimal plat" and nothing on how the gladiate choice was actually scum motivated away from trading 1 for 1 scum which is dumb play

why me and alter specifically out of those people?

we already talked about this when the gladiate happened. it occurred right as moon cancer was about to be eliminated so it looked like he was trying to save moon cancer, who we now know flipped scum.

In post 1157, Servant Lancer wrote:
In post 1143, Servant Avenger wrote:
In post 1136, Servant Lancer wrote:Foreigner is town. Berserker had them as town. Berserker had just announced that moon cancer was going to be his chosen first elim.

This gladiate is either the most anti-town shit you could have pulled, or just scum.
I want to point out here that Berzerker is mentioned when giving the read on foreigner because they are confirmed town, correct?
Meaning that that view is genuine and there for should be listened to.

So if I am to flip town, where does this leave the read in your view? Given that my thoughts are equally as geniuen.
I mentioned Berserker because you took an action that explicitly undermined his views as town leader for what seems like a bad reason compared to the opportunity you had to gladiate saber who should be near-confirmed scum to you. I also trust his reads, but the main point here is that this action is inherently anti-town for opposing the town leader and forcing the elim like this.

I am still pretty sure Foreigner is town. I don't really think your alignment impacts my read. My scumread on you is entirely independent of your target.

I also talked about how I could see avenger being town but wasn't going to vote for foreigner so my vote was going to avenger instead, because he (at the time) refused to remove the gladiate.

Servant Caster · Post Post #1483 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:53 pm

sure let's talk about your read of me instead of Mastina's meta divergence.

Servant Lancer · Post Post #1484 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:54 pm

you're in my nullpile...?

Servant Caster · Post Post #1485 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:55 pm

I am?

I thought you had me as top scumpick and favored elimination today...

Servant Lancer · Post Post #1486 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:58 pm

In post 1426, Servant Rider wrote:
In post 1350, Servant Lancer wrote:beast/avenger unlikely to be partners.
Why do you think this?

I still don't remember why I said this! pretend I didn't.

Servant Lancer · Post Post #1487 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:58 pm

In post 1485, Servant Caster wrote:I am?

I thought you had me as top scumpick and favored elimination today...

no? I'm doing the thing called using my vote for pressure

In post 1326, Servant Lancer wrote:updated-ish reads list:

our lord and savior: berserker
probtown: archer/ruler/rider/alter/shielder/foreigner
null-ish: caster/beast
maybe scum: saber/assassin
probably scum: avenger/moon cancer

Servant Caster · Post Post #1488 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:58 pm

ok what do you want to pressure me to do?

Servant Lancer · Post Post #1489 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 6:59 pm

provide... content?

Servant Lancer · Post Post #1490 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 7:00 pm

In post 1460, Servant Lancer wrote:
In post 1457, Servant Ruler wrote:
In post 1450, Servant Archer wrote:

Who do you think is making the bad faith argument?
I've already made it clear who i think it is and i think my issue with alter is a difference in views.

I'm also not a fan of lancers positipn around alter
my position being... that I think they're town? honestly wtf is this

Servant Archer · Post Post #1491 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 7:01 pm

In post 1488, Servant Caster wrote:ok what do you want to pressure me to do?

In post 1489, Servant Lancer wrote:provide... content?

To great effect I might add. Caster has been posting a lot more content since the vote lol

Servant Ruler · Post Post #1492 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 7:04 pm

Alter/lancer are the two that caught my attention, and your mindset feels like you're at least trying to understand oter players but I csnt say the same thing for them.

I was less angr6 and more surprised I don't understand and still dont understand why avenger deserves a wagon ftom the gladiate.

Also, avenger waa null town, became more town when the gladiate happened, and is currently unquestionably town in my eyes after thr moon cancer flip.

Becuse of reasons I jabe already said

Servant Ruler · Post Post #1493 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 7:06 pm

The post right after the all caps was a little servant humor sincr I'm already revealed

Servant Caster · Post Post #1494 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 7:07 pm

I just wanted to flirt and be carried tho :<

Fine I'll write up some thoughts but under protest because the last thing this thread needs is more of my delusional ramblings :>

Servant Ruler · Post Post #1495 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 7:08 pm

In post 1480, Servant Lancer wrote:I've already mentioned my experience with mastina is very limited.

But its enough for you to figure out she was the one behind the slot?

Servant Ruler · Post Post #1496 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 7:09 pm

VOTE: lancer i think this is overdue

Servant Ruler · Post Post #1497 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 7:10 pm

In post 1495, Servant Ruler wrote:
In post 1480, Servant Lancer wrote:I've already mentioned my experience with mastina is very limited.
But its enough for you to figure out she was the one behind the slot?

From her firsr post while I'm at it

Servant Lancer · Post Post #1498 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 7:10 pm

In post 1495, Servant Ruler wrote:
In post 1480, Servant Lancer wrote:I've already mentioned my experience with mastina is very limited.
But its enough for you to figure out she was the one behind the slot?

I don't need to have played mafia games with her to recognize her writing style.

how do you believe this line of questioning and resulting information will be useful to you in figuring out my alignment? because right now it seems like you are pursuing this as if you're trying to "gotcha" me.

Servant Lancer · Post Post #1499 (ISO) » Thu Jul 08, 2021 7:11 pm

kk. this was super alignment-indicative for me, yep.