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[T3]

T3 who do you read as town rn?

UNVOTE: andres
You, Dwlee, Dotw... [racks tired brain]

[T3]

And Andres.

[Gamma Emerald]

why do you keep voting people just to townread them?

[T3]

Because this game has gone stagnant which mean 99.999999999999% of the time all the scum are in the townblock.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't feel like this is stagnant rn? I've had times where I've felt that out but this ain't it I'm preeeeeeeetty sure.

[T3]

For a while before you replaced in.

[Titus]

Drunk Titus should try to analyze this game but the problem is that she is drunk.

[Gamma Emerald]

For a while before you replaced in.

then what was the townblock at that point?

[T3]

For a while before you replaced in.

then what was the townblock at that point?

Uh...

I don't think there was one lol

[ChaosOmega]

VOTE: Gamma
If we make the assumptions that Gamma is town and wasn't killed because no scum were in his check pool, then there's 2 scum in me, Dwlee, VFP, and ssbm. If Gamma flips town, the lim needs to be in here. I know I'm town, and I have a strong town read on VFP, so if Dwlee and ssbm aren't the last 2 scum, it's likely Gamma is just scum here. It could be that Gamma is town and scum is (Andres or Titus) & one of the aforementioned 4, but they're still gambling there that Gamma doesn't hit them with his check.

[Dragon of the West]

Okay well mech play is no longer to kill Gamma
D4: 8 2
D5: 6 2 (no-elim)
D6: 5 2 (eliminate gamma)
D7: 3 2 or 4 1, both winnable

Or if we hit scum today:
D4: 8 2
D5: 7 1
D6: 5 1 (eliminate gamma)
D7: win or 3 1 with clears.

Okay so in both of these scenarios you have us eliminating gamma.

If Gamma is town:
-if we lim Gamma D4, you get 2 conftown on flip and lose one to NK. 2 remaining total conftown on D5, 6T v 2S.
- if Gamma lives to D6, you get a third result from them but that means we lost potential conftowns N4 and N5. 2 gamma results remain D6. If you mislim D4 and no lim D5, you have lim Gamma D6 and on D7 you have 1 conftown 3T v 2S.

So my question is, which game state would you rather have? 6T v 2S with 2 conftown? Or 3T v 2S with one conftown in ELO?

[Dragon of the West]

The odds of me being scum are "diminished"....because we reduced our claim? Not because DGB and I claimed mutual town informed and then they got NKd and flipped town informed?

Actually no I missed that claim. I try and read when I can but life has been busy for me so this has taken a back seat. Sorry.

And if you want to execute me by all means.

Tbh scum would be paying close enough attention to at least know who the conftown are so they can push actually viable mislims and be credible enough to sway wagons/votes. I think Gamma's misdirection when this happened to jump on Andre and call what he said a 'slip' is scum

[Dragon of the West]

shh

It might have been this one

This 'sh' as a joke about double voting Anya is nothing

[Dragon of the West]

Oh like a scum gunsmith to hunt for the vigilante babysitter thing? That's actually a good point.

I assume that Anya would also be picked up on. I wouldn't assume that the masons are.
Obviously this is just situational but to be considered.

Oh whatever I misread PT Cop for Gunsmith. Sue me. That’s not a slip I mean hahaha I might be unfocused but I’m not an idiot.

I don't believe that's a slip (partly because that would kinda implicate me) but I do think the fact you made that mistake is a pretty bad sign for you given you iirc had managed to figure out RLotus was a PR in mini 2213, so to make that sort of mistake seems so off-color for town!you

I also think you know exactly where the mistake is coming from. Since it’s literally your flipped role in a different game.

Based on claims the gunsmith would only be able to detect the vig and honestly this is a really believable mistake if that's the situation in another game. If Gamma flips gunsmith though by all means chuck Andres off a skyscraper

[Dragon of the West]

why does that have anything to do with THIS game?

I mean, I feel like that's obvious. You ever have a moment where your brain just makes a dumb mistake?

[Gypyx]

votecount 4.2

Gamma Emerald (2) :

Titus - ChaosOmega

ChaosOmega (2) :

ssbm_Kyouko - Dwlee99

Andresvmb (1) :

Gamma Emerald

Titus (1) :

Save The Dragons

Not voting (4) :

Dragon of the West - Andresvmb - VFP - T3

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[Dragon of the West]

If you mislim D4 and no lim D5, you have lim Gamma D6 and on D7 you have 1 conftown 3T v 2S.

And this is assuming there's no traitor(s)...so like that plan could just put you in MELO D6 with no conf on gamma

[Titus]

@DotW, If you feel Gamma is the best elimination, why aren't you voting there?

[Dwlee99]

Not seeing how eliminating gamma earlier is better if we can possibly get another conf out of him. Either gamma is evil and we kill him D4 or D6, or he is good and we miselim him later which grants us an extra long-term clear.

[Titus]

@Dwlee, Scum would have to have a traitor to balance the setup. Otherwise it's 3 masons, a cop, a vig and a voyeur which is 4 conftown and a night kill against 3 scum. We need 4 scum to balance this, plus Gamma generates a false inno on a traitor.

[Dwlee99]

I'm pretty sure the scum faction is 4 non-traitor scum. Did you mean 5 scum?

[Dwlee99]

To summarize my thoughts here:
We have Gamma with a clear on two people. Either one of these is scum or none of them can be something except for traitors. This removes STD/T3/Gamma from today's lim.

DotW is cleared.

That leaves Titus/Chaos/Kyo/Me/Andres/VFP as a lim pool.

Assuming town!gamma, limming in there (gonna exclude myself from this) gives us a 2 in 5 chance of hitting scum. That's pretty good.

Assuming Gamma!scum, we lim him leaving us in MELO or day before MELO and also may have hit scum assuming Gamma didn't pick both all the scum as the clears.

I'll ultimately defer to DotW here I just feel like if we can eek an extra investigation out it'd be good.

[Dragon of the West]

@DotW, If you feel Gamma is the best elimination, why aren't you voting there?

I want to talk through all the mechanics before I place my vote. I don't want me being wrong about end of game mechanics do screw us over

[Dragon of the West]

Not seeing how eliminating gamma earlier is better if we can possibly get another conf out of him. Either gamma is evil and we kill him D4 or D6, or he is good and we miselim him later which grants us an extra long-term clear.

"Another conf" doesn't matter if scum can kill two confs in the meantime

[Dwlee99]

It does because we aren't limming them today anyway.