Newbie 2071: The Sandwich Debate - End!

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 1-8

By the time of the Revolutionary War, the sandwich was well established in England, and we can assume the same in the Colonies. While no one noted the date a sandwich was first served in the U.S., in 1837, Eliza Leslie was the first person to publish a recipe, in Miss Leslie’s Directions For Cookery. One of the sandwiches remains popular today: a ham sandwich with mustard on lightly buttered bread.

GrandpaMo

(2): HockeyFan, cowsloveSushirolls

VFP

(2): The Bulge, T3

cowsloveSushirolls

(1): JamesTheNames

T3

(1): VFP

Not Voting

(3): StrangeMatter, GrandpaMo, Beesechurger

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: July 14, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-07-13 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

VFP is v/la through 7/11
fferyllt-Cabd combined ISO for vote counts
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[StrangeMatter]

hm. so its more like this.

I am thinking about this pool:

[VFP, rockey, StrangeMatter]

or the other subgroup of

[Hockey, Cows, Bulge]

I feel like those 3 of hockey, cows, bulge there is one PR, one scum, and one VT.

And the other scum lies within the first group.

I won't explain why those groups are combined just yet.

Excuse me, but did you mean [VPF, StrangeMatter]? Rockey isn't in this game anymore.

Okay, I wasn't going to say something but this bothered me.

Strangematter finally comes into the game and responds to me mistankly having the wrong name.

Then disappears.

It was so out of place and just felt unnatural. I thought strangematter would eventually respond to my points or even to other things just like hockey would have, but they never did, they just made that complaint and left the thread once again.

Oh I will, but I've been busy for most of the day, so I can't really respond. Speaking of which, I looked through your ISO and noted you town read people who have similar thought processes or sheep. Can you explain this thought process behind that?

Also, you seem to put Beezle as one of the people on the list, can you please explain where you put would put them as a read?

[HockeyFan]

fwiw my biggest gripes with grandpa is their case on rocky which likely has the wackest logic used on this thread

but their conversations with hockey feel natural despite being based on a dumptruck of misinterpretations and they use conversations like these to build on reads that feel good
tonally, their ISO is a ton of highs and lows. my conclusion right now is that they probably shouldn't be condemned today and they have much, much more to offer
vote stays though cause lol i dont wanna go to the reply button

You have yet to explain why my scumread on rocky is bad.

Can you explain why fluff content is good for town? Also can you explain when strangematter replaced in, their reaction was horrible in regarding to hockey?

Are you able to reevualate and see strangematter as scum or nah, they still town in ur eyes?

your case consists blaming them for fluffposting for exactly one (1) day then using the next day to get out of the RVS phase (their vote on you was a meme, and they explained why you look good enough to unvote)
none of that is unorthrodox or scummy, even by d1 standards
i think anyone, given the chance to look at each of our opening posts can agree that rocky looks the most natural, too

and zzz grandpa the middle line is stuff only you believe/strawmen (puke,) but i'll answer it the best i can
fluff content is normal for both alignments, especially that early into the game. they're good for town because if it's funny then you get townread by cows
their reaction wasn't horrible, from what i read of them (i read hockey's pizza newbie game) i never really thought of them as particularly cordial
i reevaluated basically everything strange has to offer, i think the rep hasn't done anything alignment indicative and that the slot itself is a townlean


basicially i'm more interested in what you guys have to say about strange than strange

I know u didnt ask me but i have a slight TL on strange here becuz compared to Newbie 2067, they are much more agressive. Sure their answer to my first question was bad, but i dont think it offsets the TL that much

[JamesTheNames]

fwiw my biggest gripes with grandpa is their case on rocky which likely has the wackest logic used on this thread

but their conversations with hockey feel natural despite being based on a dumptruck of misinterpretations and they use conversations like these to build on reads that feel good
tonally, their ISO is a ton of highs and lows. my conclusion right now is that they probably shouldn't be condemned today and they have much, much more to offer
vote stays though cause lol i dont wanna go to the reply button

You have yet to explain why my scumread on rocky is bad.

Can you explain why fluff content is good for town? Also can you explain when strangematter replaced in, their reaction was horrible in regarding to hockey?

Are you able to reevualate and see strangematter as scum or nah, they still town in ur eyes?

your case consists blaming them for fluffposting for exactly one (1) day then using the next day to get out of the RVS phase (their vote on you was a meme, and they explained why you look good enough to unvote)
none of that is unorthrodox or scummy, even by d1 standards
i think anyone, given the chance to look at each of our opening posts can agree that rocky looks the most natural, too

and zzz grandpa the middle line is stuff only you believe/strawmen (puke,) but i'll answer it the best i can
fluff content is normal for both alignments, especially that early into the game. they're good for town because if it's funny then you get townread by cows
their reaction wasn't horrible, from what i read of them (i read hockey's pizza newbie game) i never really thought of them as particularly cordial
i reevaluated basically everything strange has to offer, i think the rep hasn't done anything alignment indicative and that the slot itself is a townlean


basicially i'm more interested in what you guys have to say about strange than strange

I know u didnt ask me but i have a slight TL on strange here becuz compared to Newbie 2067, they are much more agressive. Sure their answer to my first question was bad, but i dont think it offsets the TL that much

This does not sound in the slightest way genuine, 7 posts, the first 3 are fluff to do with sandwiches, 3 are just clarification posts, and the other 1 is barely pushing anything. I really am tempted to go back to voting you now.

[cowsloveSushirolls]

lol james being here just reminded me

UNVOTE: GrandpaMo

if you guys actually are gonna enjoy the weekend, can we get a condemn pool first? i think letting those thoughts out to dry, PUBLICALLY. is best for town to prevent a rushed elimination

for example, i likely wont budge on strange's slot or grandpa today. beese too is absolutely one of the worst condemns
a vote on james requires a lot of negotiation
hockey is a wildcard and i still haven't checked their ISO and evaluated their content

this leaves {bulge, VFP. T3, maybe hockey} which at a first glance doesn't feel particularly right

VFP's playstyle makes absolutely no sense from a mafia perspective, so i might pass on that one too
expect a lot of poking around with these people

[JamesTheNames]

lol james being here just reminded me

UNVOTE: GrandpaMo

if you guys actually are gonna enjoy the weekend, can we get a condemn pool first? i think letting those thoughts out to dry, PUBLICALLY. is best for town to prevent a rushed elimination

for example, i likely wont budge on strange's slot or grandpa today. beese too is absolutely one of the worst condemns
a vote on james requires a lot of negotiation
hockey is a wildcard and i still haven't checked their ISO and evaluated their content

this leaves {bulge, VFP. T3, maybe hockey} which at a first glance doesn't feel particularly right

VFP's playstyle makes absolutely no sense from a mafia perspective, so i might pass on that one too
expect a lot of poking around with these people

I mean, England vs Italy is tomorrow at 8pm (GMT), so I'm still going to be here. Although I'm looking at [T3, Hockey Fan, Beese Churger] as my elimination pool.

[The Bulge]

anyone wanna explain rocky's fixation on james

I don't understand what you're looking for here exactly?

in more general terms: does anyone have any thoughts about rock's interactions with people? I dont believe any comments have been made about their general content

huh yea I had an early tonal TR there, but looking back over his iso, that's pretty easily scum. I don't have a good read on strangematter yet so the slot is pretty hard null for me atp

[The Bulge]

[Hockey, Cows, Bulge]

I think this one consists of 3 town tbh

[/quote]
agreed

[The Bulge]

Man I'm 10 minutes late I suck

I can still lim this slot. Depending if Theres a replacement of course...

Why would u want to lim someone who basically hasn't spoken yet

ftr, while Beese would indeed be a terrible elimination today, I do think the slot is far more likely scum than not.

[The Bulge]

VFP's playstyle makes absolutely no sense from a mafia perspective, so i might pass on that one too

I disagree. it might not be a Good way of playing scum, but we can't discount theories in the realm of, for example, what if vfp hates playing scum, has realized people in the newbie queue are unlikely to actually pile on against inactivity/noncontribution, and so decides to go with the easier playstyle for peace of mind? I'm talking out of my ass a little here, I only have 1 game with vfp, but my point is that in general, those kinds of possibilities and other irl factors should never be

completely

written off.

[The Bulge]

that said,

UNVOTE:

not sure where I want it but I'll be back later today to try and reground myself in this game.

[GrandpaMo]

hey sorry for inactivity just felt unmotivated to play anymore ; was like this sitewide.

[GrandpaMo]

can we just get a flip already lol

[JamesTheNames]

I'm adding bulge to the folk I don't mind hammering.

[GrandpaMo]

what there is a hammer

who is the vote?

[HockeyFan]

fwiw my biggest gripes with grandpa is their case on rocky which likely has the wackest logic used on this thread

but their conversations with hockey feel natural despite being based on a dumptruck of misinterpretations and they use conversations like these to build on reads that feel good
tonally, their ISO is a ton of highs and lows. my conclusion right now is that they probably shouldn't be condemned today and they have much, much more to offer
vote stays though cause lol i dont wanna go to the reply button

You have yet to explain why my scumread on rocky is bad.

Can you explain why fluff content is good for town? Also can you explain when strangematter replaced in, their reaction was horrible in regarding to hockey?

Are you able to reevualate and see strangematter as scum or nah, they still town in ur eyes?

your case consists blaming them for fluffposting for exactly one (1) day then using the next day to get out of the RVS phase (their vote on you was a meme, and they explained why you look good enough to unvote)
none of that is unorthrodox or scummy, even by d1 standards
i think anyone, given the chance to look at each of our opening posts can agree that rocky looks the most natural, too

and zzz grandpa the middle line is stuff only you believe/strawmen (puke,) but i'll answer it the best i can
fluff content is normal for both alignments, especially that early into the game. they're good for town because if it's funny then you get townread by cows
their reaction wasn't horrible, from what i read of them (i read hockey's pizza newbie game) i never really thought of them as particularly cordial
i reevaluated basically everything strange has to offer, i think the rep hasn't done anything alignment indicative and that the slot itself is a townlean


basicially i'm more interested in what you guys have to say about strange than strange

I know u didnt ask me but i have a slight TL on strange here becuz compared to Newbie 2067, they are much more agressive. Sure their answer to my first question was bad, but i dont think it offsets the TL that much

This does not sound in the slightest way genuine, 7 posts, the first 3 are fluff to do with sandwiches, 3 are just clarification posts, and the other 1 is barely pushing anything. I really am tempted to go back to voting you now.

This is better than Newbie 2067 where they did this much pretty much all of d1. Im aware that this is merely a meta read but atm, they havent done anything scummy either. My "TL" on them can change based on thier next few posts, so yea tbh this isnt a conclusive read

[HockeyFan]

can we just get a flip already lol

still have 3 days and we dont have a USR yet, dont rush

[HockeyFan]

lol james being here just reminded me

UNVOTE: GrandpaMo

if you guys actually are gonna enjoy the weekend, can we get a condemn pool first? i think letting those thoughts out to dry, PUBLICALLY. is best for town to prevent a rushed elimination

for example, i likely wont budge on strange's slot or grandpa today. beese too is absolutely one of the worst condemns
a vote on james requires a lot of negotiation
hockey is a wildcard and i still haven't checked their ISO and evaluated their content

this leaves {bulge, VFP. T3, maybe hockey} which at a first glance doesn't feel particularly right

VFP's playstyle makes absolutely no sense from a mafia perspective, so i might pass on that one too

disagree

expect a lot of poking around with these people

@cows, why do u SR bulge, i actually think they're quite town

[cowsloveSushirolls]

@cows, why do u SR bulge, i actually think they're quite town

the people i listed above the condemn pool are people i'd actually defend if people came rallying against them
i don't feel the same about bulge yet, but they are null
i don't have dirt on bulge (i can talk about how their reads are different from my awesome towny POV reads lol) but i can't pick out things that are super town either

are you able to towncase them?

[The Bulge]

im town

[cowsloveSushirolls]

im town

hi town

[The Bulge]

were masons now

[cowsloveSushirolls]

your tldr of that post was litreally "T3 looks bad earlygame but has lightened up with towny posts"

i want to clarify that when making the post i was basically thinking 'T3 earlygame bad, midgame fine'. i think it's too early to start excusing certain actions because of others or even to start solidifying any sort of reads on T3

also sorry, it took one page before i contradicted myself
i do believe this more over the stance i took a page before:

Do u really think T3's latter posts are "town" enough to make up for the scummier posts above? Cuz I dont think so. They're not *that* town to me. Sure they may not be scummy, but defintely not enough to cancel out his scum logs at the beginning of the game so im curious why u think that?

seems rather PRESUMPTUOUS that you think that i think T3's later logs excuse his earlier posts

but they do, because the beginning logs only show an unwillingness to contribute. you seem to think that the logs i showed later are only moderately town, but know that T3's beginning logs are only moderately scummy and so your scumlean doesn't make too much sense, unless you put a lot of weight into scum logs (do you?)

T3 probably just hates the random voting stage or something

[cowsloveSushirolls]

were masons now

you're doing this so that you can snatch the 500th post from me huh

[The Bulge]

i wasnt