FGO: Mafia in the Lostbelt - 2 Game Over

[Servant Rider]

Hello, I'm here.

I am claiming Miller. You know what helps to sniff out a false Miller? Becoming the master!

My NP goes through this. I am surprised that miller would be a thing in this setup.

As a note about the miller claim, my ability is more complicated than "select target - learn alignment". It will however produce an 100% effective un-counterable cop result.

Archer, I want your thoughts on 1731, especially in light of this so-called miller claim.

Archer, I'm still waiting on your response to this.

I'd also like you to explain your scumread of Foreigner.

[Servant Shielder]

Archer, do you have any abilities that would prevent you from being added to a neighborhood?

[Servant Beast]

Would it be a good idea to share my abilities or at least some of the relevant ones @Berserker? @Shielder?

[Servant Rider]

I'd just like to state that my Noble Phantasm is a gated PT Cop.

Just in case people decide they want to run wild with making neighborhoods.

[Servant Shielder]

I'm thinking I might as well claim my role today but don't know how long I should wait for other people to claim if they are doing so

[Servant Shielder]

Would it be a good idea to share my abilities or at least some of the relevant ones @Berserker? @Shielder?

Let me think about this
There is some suspicion on you
Personally I came into the day suspecting Avenger and Foreigner on play

[Servant Beast]

k.

I would wait to reveal your abilities till half way through the day or when a wagon is about to go through with a berserker blessing.

[Servant Assassin]

Instead of, I don't know -- joining the bus?

I think individual scum members can have individual motivations. You'd think in scum PTs there'd be coordination in the sense of "all together now, bus moon!!" but rarely does that happen with precision. I do think there was probably a realization that members would have to bus moon in any case though.

Since I typed that up I took a look at side by side isos of Foreigner/Saber/Votecounts.

Originally I went into today thinking foreigner was town and avenger would be scum more due to POE than anything, but I do think there is a case to be made that foreigner could have bussed Moon Cancer. I wouldn't say it's a strong case though. Saber and Foreigner expressed scumreads on Moon Cancer at about the same time, so my previous assessment that foreigner's scumread was too committed and too early to be a bus might not be true if the scumteam decided on a strategy of bussing Moon Cancer The combination of 840/841, and [urlhttps://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=12876162#p12876162]1031[/url] don't quite flow together nicely. Saber was one of the few Moon Cancer votes at the time of 840/841 so why is Saber just null?

Foreigner has trouble expressing himself well, so it's hard to parse what he thought about Saber at any particular time. This is especially true when the discussion relating to resistance/the lack thereof to Saber's master wagon occurred earlier. I spent a while looking at it and still cannot understand the thought process behind it at all.

As for avenger I don't share Archer's sentiment that's he's clearly town (or Rider's that he's clearly scum). I think he's firmly null by play.

[Servant Archer]

Archer, do you have any abilities that would prevent you from being added to a neighborhood?

No. I actually specifically said I wanted to be in a neighborhood, and was quite sad that no one remembered

Spoiler:

People are being real subtle here

Spoiler:

Do I need to wax poetic to make it known that I would happily accept such an offer?

[Servant Assassin]

So... My NP conditionally creates a neighborhood, and the condition is whether my target is town or scum. Unsure if that's relevant but I see Shielder/Rider saying stuff about Neighborhoods thought I'd add that to the mechanical mix.

[Servant Rider]

I would say that unless someone has a firm role-related reason to believe a miller should exist in this setup, thinking his role or play this game to be even remotely town would be incredibly silly, misguided, or potentially even scum-motivated.

[Servant Assassin]

(which is why it goes through millers, wouldn't be affected by beserker's passive, etc.)

[Servant Archer]

@Rider, I am ignoring you a bit. Really don't want to be drawn into a 1v1 with you -- especially since it appears that you have already completely discounted my own theory, so it seems a bit pointless.

[Servant Rider]

Archer, I was going to say something regarding that delay, but fair enough.

[Servant Archer]

or potentially even scum-motivated.

Rider, please, I am begging you.

Please try to scum case me right now.

I would actually love to see how you could try to spin that

[Servant Assassin]

Instead of, I don't know -- joining the bus?

I think individual scum members can have individual motivations. You'd think in scum PTs there'd be coordination in the sense of "all together now, bus moon!!" but rarely does that happen with precision. I do think there was probably a realization that members would have to bus moon in any case though.

Since I typed that up I took a look at side by side isos of Foreigner/Saber/Votecounts.

Originally I went into today thinking foreigner was town and avenger would be scum more due to POE than anything, but I do think there is a case to be made that foreigner could have bussed Moon Cancer. I wouldn't say it's a strong case though. Saber and Foreigner expressed scumreads on Moon Cancer at about the same time, so my previous assessment that foreigner's scumread was too committed and too early to be a bus might not be true if the scumteam decided on a strategy of bussing Moon Cancer The combination of 840/841, and 1031 don't quite flow together nicely. Saber was one of the few Moon Cancer votes at the time of 840/841 so why is Saber just null?

Foreigner has trouble expressing himself well, so it's hard to parse what he thought about Saber at any particular time. This is especially true when the discussion relating to resistance/the lack thereof to Saber's master wagon occurred earlier. I spent a while looking at it and still cannot understand the thought process behind it at all.

As for avenger I don't share Archer's sentiment that's he's clearly town (or Rider's that he's clearly scum). I think he's firmly null by play.

now with fixed tags.

[Servant Rider]

or potentially even scum-motivated.

Rider, please, I am begging you.

Please try to scum case me right now.

I would actually love to see how you could try to spin that

I don't think I could even if I wanted to.

And it's why I have you as being misguided rather than scum, and thus have kept you out of my elimination pile.

[Servant Archer]

I'd just like to state that my Noble Phantasm is a gated PT Cop.

Just in case people decide they want to run wild with making neighborhoods.

What does a "gated PT Cop" even mean? Like, you check to see if someone is in a PT?

Are you advocating we don't make neighborhoods?

[Servant Rider]

I select two players and I'm told if at least one of them has access to a PT.
There is a way for me to receive more specific (and thus actually useful results), hence why I say it's gated.

I'm not saying you can't make a neighborhood. Just understand that giving a player access to a neighborhood is essentially the same thing as accepting that I would not be able to receive a useful result on that player with my ability.

[Servant Assassin]

Works for me, anyone that enters my neighborhood will be town anyway.

[Servant Assassin]

Actually on that note I probably should ask avenger:

For the purposes of any role targeting you, are you considered aligned with the mafia? Or does that apply only to investigative roles meant to get a result on your alignment?

[Servant Archer]

@Rider, been thinking on it. If we flip foreigner today, and he is town, I think I could be on board for an Avenger flip tomorrow.

[Servant Rider]

Seeing as how I feel as though I could get Avenger flipped regardless, I think you'd need to up that ante.

Although the only other thing I'd really want is serious consideration in eliminating my other scumread (Beast).

[Servant Archer]

I am not trying to bribe you, I am just updating you on where I am at.

I equally feel like I can push a foreigner wagon through without you <3

[Servant Archer]

I will say that it feels strange to be presented as a misguided townie, when, if anything, I feel like I am on a bit of a hot streak this game.

I am the first person who called bs on Sabers campaign Day 0, and was actively campaigning against giving them the master as of post 99, and pushed for the Berserker wagon. As you put it:

Archer: Probably one of the most influential players regarding the Master selection phase.

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Then, when I gave a full read list in post 901 my scum reads were:

---Scum---
Moon Cancer
Saber
Foreigner

So I am batting a thousand so far there as well.

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So, I mean, I feel like I have at least somewhat of a solid grasp of the game state this game. So it feels a bit odd to be talked about as though I am just a lost townie -- whether you agree with my current read or not.