FGO: Mafia in the Lostbelt - 2 Game Over

Servant Avenger · Post Post #1950 (ISO) » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:26 pm

In post 1770, Servant Assassin wrote:Actually on that note I probably should ask avenger:

For the purposes of any role targeting you, are you considered aligned with the mafia? Or does that apply only to investigative roles meant to get a result on your alignment?

Investigative results only.
I'll be shown as either Mafia or a killer.
I'm town aligned so your power only fails on me if I'm actually scum.

Servant Lancer · Post Post #1951 (ISO) » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:28 pm

In post 1929, Servant Foreigner wrote:Anyone beside berserk could be killed, town equity was the same around several players but beast has information chain, which would be selected by smart players.

Why would scum kill someone whose death would confirm the alignment of another player?

Servant Archer · Post Post #1952 (ISO) » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:31 pm

In post 1950, Servant Avenger wrote:
In post 1770, Servant Assassin wrote:Actually on that note I probably should ask avenger:

For the purposes of any role targeting you, are you considered aligned with the mafia? Or does that apply only to investigative roles meant to get a result on your alignment?
Investigative results only.
I'll be shown as either Mafia or a killer.
I'm town aligned so your power only fails on me if I'm actually scum.

This is an interesting way you worded this.

Do you believe your ability would work with investigative roles that don't exactly determine mafia/killer?

Would say, a Tracker always track you to the night kill?

Servant Avenger · Post Post #1953 (ISO) » Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:53 pm

In post 1952, Servant Archer wrote:
In post 1950, Servant Avenger wrote:
In post 1770, Servant Assassin wrote:Actually on that note I probably should ask avenger:

For the purposes of any role targeting you, are you considered aligned with the mafia? Or does that apply only to investigative roles meant to get a result on your alignment?
Investigative results only.
I'll be shown as either Mafia or a killer.
I'm town aligned so your power only fails on me if I'm actually scum.
This is an interesting way you worded this.

Do you believe your ability would work with investigative roles that don't exactly determine mafia/killer?

Would say, a Tracker always track you to the night kill?

No, it's only for Mafia/Killer results.
A tracker, watcher, motion sensor etc will always pick me up.

Servant Rider · Post Post #1954 (ISO) » Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:32 pm

I find it hilarious that Avenger is now being set up to make the nightkills for the remainder of the game if they were scum. But hey, let's just keep them around.

Servant Foreigner · Post Post #1955 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 1:03 am

In post 1947, Servant Archer wrote:
In post 1935, Servant Foreigner wrote:
In post 1930, Servant Alter Ego wrote:
In post 1925, Servant Foreigner wrote:You are key to shielder alignment
Why would...you not watch shielder then?
As I said there are several players with the same odds to die but my role is the best used, if I find visiting players.
I am confused why you thought people would be visiting beast specifically. Can you explain your thinking again on why you chose him?

If you confirm beast then you also confirm shielder. You get two clears with one shot, the best way to use inv.

Servant Alter Ego · Post Post #1956 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:05 am

...but you can't clear anyone with a watcher check. What are you even trying to say?

Servant Alter Ego · Post Post #1957 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:11 am

In post 1936, Servant Archer wrote:
In post 1934, Servant Shielder wrote:The logic doesn't make sense because killing beast and revealing more information is a bad move for scum, not a good move
Do you think that he used his ability poorly, or do you think he is lying about his action?

It's a bafflingly bad choice of target, but that goes as either alignment, really. Town can make stupid, nonsensical choices just as much as scum can, but so far this game the ones making nonsensical claims have been scum.

Servant Foreigner · Post Post #1958 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:20 am

In post 1955, Servant Foreigner wrote:
In post 1947, Servant Archer wrote:
In post 1935, Servant Foreigner wrote:
In post 1930, Servant Alter Ego wrote:
In post 1925, Servant Foreigner wrote:You are key to shielder alignment
Why would...you not watch shielder then?
As I said there are several players with the same odds to die but my role is the best used, if I find visiting players.

I am confused why you thought people would be visiting beast specifically
. Can you explain your thinking again on why you chose him?
If you confirm beast then you also confirm shielder. You get two clears with one shot, the best way to use inv.

Servant Assassin · Post Post #1959 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:25 am

Why search for town investigative roles over watching primo targets like Archer/Alter which will more often than not show 1) doctors if you're looking for town and 2) scum killing there.

Servant Foreigner · Post Post #1960 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:26 am

@Servant Shielder

In post 1935, Servant Foreigner wrote:As I said there are several players with the same odds to die

@Servant Archer

In post 1935, Servant Foreigner wrote:As I said there are several players with the same odds to die

@Servant Lancer

In post 1935, Servant Foreigner wrote:As I said there are several players with the same odds to die

@Servant Rider

In post 1935, Servant Foreigner wrote:As I said there are several players with the same odds to die

@Servant Caster

In post 1935, Servant Foreigner wrote:As I said there are several players with the same odds to die

@Servant Assassin

In post 1935, Servant Foreigner wrote:As I said there are several players with the same odds to die

@Servant Berserker

In post 1935, Servant Foreigner wrote:As I said there are several players with the same odds to die

@Servant Ruler

In post 1935, Servant Foreigner wrote:As I said there are several players with the same odds to die

@ServantAvenger

In post 1935, Servant Foreigner wrote:As I said there are several players with the same odds to die

@Servant Alter Ego

In post 1935, Servant Foreigner wrote:As I said there are several players with the same odds to die

@Servant Beast

In post 1935, Servant Foreigner wrote:As I said there are several players with the same odds to die

I hope i stop receiving this stupid question

bUt bEAsT wAsnT tHE mOsT liKeLy pLyARer tO dIe???

again

Servant Foreigner · Post Post #1961 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:27 am

In post 1959, Servant Assassin wrote:Why search for town investigative roles over watching primo targets like Archer/Alter which will more often than not show 1) doctors if you're looking for town and 2) scum killing there.

fine i will say it 102th time
because when i had 6 players with the same odds to die, i had to pick one of them

Servant Assassin · Post Post #1962 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:32 am

The number is more like 3 and I'd argue they were all better targets than beast. What do you get out of finding an investigative role? At best a confirmation when they claim and say beast is town/scum. A small plus but an insignificant one. On any other target you'd have a better chance of detecting scum.

Servant Foreigner · Post Post #1963 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:36 am

Yea of course each one of you had better targets and i bet 80% of you knew that ruler will die. You are all glorious with superior intellect. Are we done?

Servant Assassin · Post Post #1964 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 2:45 am

The thing is it doesn't take a genius to figure this out, just a town mindset.

Servant Lancer · Post Post #1965 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:19 am

Were you trying to clear Beast (as alter said, not sure how this is possible with a watcher shot) or find people who wanted to clear Beast? It really sounds like you’re scum who watched beast to find town investigatives, tbh

Servant Lancer · Post Post #1966 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:20 am

Scum have no incentive to kill beast because that leaves shielder alive and confirms that shielder is town. It’s weird that you think they would want to do that and confirm shielder.

Servant Alter Ego · Post Post #1967 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:25 am

In post 1953, Servant Avenger wrote:
In post 1952, Servant Archer wrote:
In post 1950, Servant Avenger wrote:
In post 1770, Servant Assassin wrote:Actually on that note I probably should ask avenger:

For the purposes of any role targeting you, are you considered aligned with the mafia? Or does that apply only to investigative roles meant to get a result on your alignment?
Investigative results only.
I'll be shown as either Mafia or a killer.
I'm town aligned so your power only fails on me if I'm actually scum.
This is an interesting way you worded this.

Do you believe your ability would work with investigative roles that don't exactly determine mafia/killer?

Would say, a Tracker always track you to the night kill?
No, it's only for Mafia/Killer results.
A tracker, watcher, motion sensor etc will always pick me up.

If you scan as guilty to all investigative results, why did you not specify this when you claimed? "miller" implies a very specific role quality and this is a significantly broader scope than what you originally suggested.

Servant Berserker · Post Post #1968 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:28 am

In post 1960, Servant Foreigner wrote:I hope i stop receiving this stupid question bUt bEAsT wAsnT tHE mOsT liKeLy pLyARer tO dIe??? again

I don’t exactly buy that you thought all things were equal between potential kills
There are always fluctuations of thought that would make certain people slightly better or worse kills, and unless you’re extremely new I’d expect you to know that.

Servant Foreigner · Post Post #1969 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:30 am

In post 1966, Servant Lancer wrote:Scum have no incentive to kill beast because that leaves shielder alive and confirms that shielder is town. It’s weird that you think they would want to do that and confirm shielder.

ok i will remind you about this after game, if beast doesn't reach endgame.

Servant Foreigner · Post Post #1970 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 3:37 am

In post 1968, Servant Berserker wrote:
In post 1960, Servant Foreigner wrote:I hope i stop receiving this stupid question bUt bEAsT wAsnT tHE mOsT liKeLy pLyARer tO dIe??? again
I don’t exactly buy that you thought all things were equal between potential kills
There are always fluctuations of thought that would make certain people slightly better or worse kills, and unless you’re extremely new I’d expect you to know that.

Soon i will curse you, get banned and still call it worth it for the way you treat me.

Servant Lancer · Post Post #1971 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:02 am

In post 1965, Servant Lancer wrote:Were you trying to clear Beast (as alter said, not sure how this is possible with a watcher shot) or find people who wanted to clear Beast? It really sounds like you’re scum who watched beast to find town investigatives, tbh

Servant Foreigner · Post Post #1972 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:14 am

Think whatever you want, every time i am trying to explain anything you just strawman my words to fit your narrative.

Servant Lancer · Post Post #1973 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:19 am

I really don’t think that’s what I’m doing. You’re super unclear when you talk and I’m 1) doing the best I can to understand it and 2) asking you what your goal was in watching beast because I’m trying to understand it

Servant Beast · Post Post #1974 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:32 am

I would like foreigner to full claim.