FGO: Mafia in the Lostbelt - 2 Game Over

[Servant Archer]

@Shielder. Question for you

Are you and Beast in a PT?

[Servant Beast]

We're not.

[Servant Beast]

Foreigner's default into bluster is scummy to me.

[Servant Archer]

Beast, I guess I am just a little confused why you agreed with me a few times about eliming foreigner before you thought to add that you had an investigative result on him

Like, this response seems a little strange given your detective result:

Spoiler:

I think both Archer and Rider have made good points today.

So, my proposed plan is that we kill both !!!

I like this plan.

[Servant Beast]

It literally didn't occur to me that that I might've cleared him until half way through the day, lol.
The reason I decided to go after Avenger first is that I thought it reduced the odds of foreigner being scum since it's 50/50 who did the kill.

But then I thought about whether there was a vig who would kill ruler or, (even more impossibly), shielder and I was like, oh shit. I should bring this up.

Then I did.

[Servant Avenger]

@Avenger, can you walk me through your trajectory on Saber? You went from initially not liking her for the master vote because "something seems off"...

Long story short.
I didn't rate Saber in the town picking stage and I liked Bezerkers posts. I suspected that scum may be aiming to the votes but I just don't see why, since losing a member is probably worse standardly regardless to what they gain.

When they claimed, their star ability was just like mine. Although mines slightly different and just puts them into the wind down phase concerning posts. I have another power to suggest that this may be more common among players, and that's why I commented to if only Saber had that power. My 3rd power doesn't make sense if only Saber has a silencing power on tip of mine. I think I showed that I was more towards there being multiple people than not in my post anyway.

I like the claim they gave as town and I didn't think scum would be able to boost each other so well. The motion detector I could have taken or left, it wasn't relevant to change my mind.
The flip of Moon didn't change that since they also had a buffing power.

Not really much else to it.

[Servant Avenger]

Mechanically speaking though, Avenger is still the best elimination for today.

Probably right.
I'm still in the mind set that Millers shouldn't be left.
The thought as well is if name revealing is a thing that helps scum in any way, then my name is revealed.

I'm not sure about the Foreigner claim or reaction here.
The only thought to me is that Shielder claimed to be targeted. If you were really a Watcher, do you target the person claiming the inno on another player, or the player that has an inno and would always be the NK over Beast?
The reaction seems to be more town like and I don't see why they are unmotivated now rather than when helping kill their 2 buddies? That doesn't line up.
But the night action doesn't have any town thought to me. Probably not much scum thought either, but town surely always target an inno there?

[Servant Archer]

I was leaning against eliming Avenger, for a mechanical reason (that I do not wish to reveal the details of)

The more I think about it, the more it will not be the end of the world if we do shoot him, so I won't hard defend against it anymore I guess.

I still think I am most suspicious of Foreigner atm, but could be swayed to shoot someone else, including Avenger.

I miss having notscience to just fall back on to lead

[Servant Alter Ego]

Actually on that note I probably should ask avenger:

For the purposes of any role targeting you, are you considered aligned with the mafia? Or does that apply only to investigative roles meant to get a result on your alignment?

Investigative results only.
I'll be shown as either Mafia or a killer.
I'm town aligned so your power only fails on me if I'm actually scum.

This is an interesting way you worded this.

Do you believe your ability would work with investigative roles that don't exactly determine mafia/killer?

Would say, a Tracker always track you to the night kill?

No, it's only for Mafia/Killer results.
A tracker, watcher, motion sensor etc will always pick me up.

If you scan as guilty to all investigative results, why did you not specify this when you claimed? "miller" implies a very specific role quality and this is a significantly broader scope than what you originally suggested.

Would like an answer to this, Avenger.

[Servant Avenger]

Would like an answer to this, Avenger.

Because you're thinking of Ninja, not Miller.
A Miller doesn't return a fake result to a motion detector or a tracker etc...

[Servant Avenger]

To clarify as your wording is strange for me to understand.
By me saying that a tracker and roles will always pick me up, that is if I do an action it will tell the truth and pick me up, not that a tracker will say that I did something when I didn't.

I thought that part was clear by me saying "No, it's only for Mafia/Killer results."

[Servant Shielder]

@Shielder. Question for you

Are you and Beast in a PT?

I'm not in any pt

[Servant Alter Ego]

Would like an answer to this, Avenger.

Because you're thinking of Ninja, not Miller.
A Miller doesn't return a fake result to a motion detector or a tracker etc...

To clarify as your wording is strange for me to understand.
By me saying that a tracker and roles will always pick me up, that is if I do an action it will tell the truth and pick me up, not that a tracker will say that I did something when I didn't.

I thought that part was clear by me saying "No, it's only for Mafia/Killer results."

Okay, had been interpreting "will pick me up" as meaning you'd return a guilty result to them, too. That at least makes sense.

[Servant Beast]

VOTE: Foreigner
I would rather give those jerks a lesson then help them and get SR for literally anything i do.

Instead of this, could you please full claim?

[Servant Shielder]

I can see thinking there's too many possible kills, I just have an issue with how that idea was expressed

Do you think having foreigner and avenger full claim minus character/ability name is a good idea?

Or just one/the other?

This would probably be the smart thing, based on how today has gone

Foreigner, can we get your full claim?

No character name

[Servant Archer]

Would like an answer to this, Avenger.

Because you're thinking of Ninja, not Miller.
A Miller doesn't return a fake result to a motion detector or a tracker etc...

I think you misunderstood my question earlier about a Tracker if you thought I was insinuating something similar to a ninja....

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Miller
See

Universal Miller

(or just track miller) to see what I was asking about

I was trying to see if your ability said "always returns to most unfavorable result for all investigative abilities targeting you" (which would include cop, detective, tracker, watcher ect) or if it just said "you are shown as Mafia on a cop investigation"

And your answer is that you are apparently a strange point in the middle -- shows guilty for a cop/detective, but would effect a tracker or others investigates.

[Servant Archer]

I can see thinking there's too many possible kills, I just have an issue with how that idea was expressed

Do you think having foreigner and avenger full claim minus character/ability name is a good idea?

Or just one/the other?

This would probably be the smart thing, based on how today has gone

Foreigner, can we get your full claim?

No character name

@ Foreigner, please full claim.

[Servant Beast]

Woops. Shielder is correct.
Just what your abilities do. Not the names of your abilities and not the name of your character.

I'm not even sure how gladiate and my ability would go together arguably.

[Servant Archer]

Woops. Shielder is correct.
Just what your abilities do. Not the names of your abilities and not the name of your character.

I'm not even sure how gladiate and my ability would go together arguably.

Yes to this. Just ability effects, no flavor please

[Cabd]

With 11 players alive, it will take 6 votes to burn a servant.

Deadline for Day 2 is set at: (expired on 2021-07-19 15:09:16)



Avenger (3): Beast, Rider, Caster
Foreigner (3): Avenger, Shielder, Foreigner

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[Servant Beast]

I'm still siting at Avenger and Foreigner being the last two scum somehow.

[Servant Alter Ego]

I was leaning against eliming Avenger, for a mechanical reason (that I do not wish to reveal the details of)

The more I think about it, the more it will not be the end of the world if we do shoot him, so I won't hard defend against it anymore I guess.

I still think I am most suspicious of Foreigner atm, but could be swayed to shoot someone else, including Avenger.

I miss having notscience to just fall back on to lead

I'm not sure it's worth agonizing over, at this point. I'd kill either of them, we have eliminations to spare if we're wrong. Don't find Avenger's answers to me really satisfactory, think his trajectory on both moon cancer and saber yesterday is baffling, at this point I've shifted to feeling like foreigner is bad town but if they're going to play like this I'll gladly vote them out of policy.

[Servant Berserker]

VOTE: Foreigner
I think I want to make this a bit more of a concrete threat

[Servant Beast]

This may be bad timing, but if you're town Foreigner I'm sorry for swearing at ou in frustration that you watched me. I can see how that could've hurt your feelings.

Though I do find it more likely that you're just acting with bluster when being accused of being scum. I guess we'll find out? I just wanted to apologize if I incensed you in a moment of salt.

[Servant Archer]

Do we think that the scum team can keep getting 2 night kills per night? If they can, then:

Today we are at 11

Day 3 we will be at 7

Day 4 we will be at 4 ---- which is a loss if both scum are still alive, so Day 3 would be MElo if they get 2 kills each night

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Although, if it requires the scum team to have the name of one of their targets, then Avenger (if town) is currently the only person the scum team could bonus kill