Micro 1019: Dead Silence GAME OVER!

[VFP]

This person is town

[VFP]

T3, are you scum?

[VFP]

my urge to yeet T3 is steadily rising which based on prior experience means he's more likely town than not

I like this from Mena!

[VFP]

Either T3 has the restriction and its NAI
Or T3 is lying and he's town.

[VFP]

Or T3 is lying and he's town.

?

It's a T3 thing.

[VFP]

die die dir

Does this go against the post restriction?

[VFP]

not following

why does T3 lying about post restriction = T3 town instead of T3 memeing?

Because T3 lies about strange things as town. As town the lie is normally X is town or "I'm town".

[VFP]

As town the lie is normally X is town or "I'm town"

did you mean to say "as scum" here?

Yeah, scum.

[VFP]

sure, t3 could do that but is there a good reason to?
people don't just do stuff for no reason

Town T3 does.
And since it was fake I'm calling T3 town here.

[VFP]

whereas scum!T3... doesn't?

Correct.

[VFP]

Nearly every game of mine is with T3.
I read T3 correctly majority of the time.

[VFP]

Nearly every game of mine is with T3.
I read T3 correctly majority of the time.

Tbf, guessing town is going to be correct the majority of the time

Half my games with T3 are me or T3 scum.
When I'm scum it's irrelevant but T3 scum I get right most the time.

[VFP]

@VFP, is this usual Town!T3 behaviour? He stopped the annoying post restriction, but he's still ignoring what people have asked of him, which doesn't really pacify my policying desires.

Pretty much.
What posts do you feel T3 is ignoring outside of you?

[VFP]

lack of vfp vote is concerning

Should I vote no lim?

[VFP]

No dad!

[VFP]

VOTE: Momrangal

[VFP]

I have a light scumread but I’m not outing it yet, I want to see how they proceed

As long as it isn't me!

[VFP]

I'll take it!

[VFP]

Bugs is on one!

[VFP]

It's just a saying here.
He's crazy / reckless.

[VFP]

I would trust my reads way more if I didn't have 3 players as lockscum.

i, uh, don't think the meta stuff is enough to lockscum anyone

I won't lie, I dabbled in the meta.

At first it was just a laugh, doing some meta while out with some friends... I just liked doing the meta, it made my reads feel right.
Until I found myself up late and alone one night, just going back to the meta.

At this point I knew it was an issue. How can someone solely rely on just meta? So I stood up and told myself just one more meta read then I'm going game by game.
That was 42 games ago.

It's too late for me T3, but you can still make a change.

[VFP]

This is so irrelevant that Thana is actually probably town.

[VFP]

Yes. I do.

[VFP]

You told me in CultD3 that your scum meta is tunneling and casing with an agenda, and that your town meta is blurting out unexplained reads. I think that you're doing much more of the former than the latter here.

Your reads here are
1.) Everyone is scum
2.) I'm obvscum and need to die

VFP I know you have the "scum!t3 doesn't fake post restriction" read but is there anything else here I'm not seeing?

I'll read him over again later.
T3 scum tends to call people town though.

[VFP]

VOTE: dwlee

I'm pretty sure Dwlee is town.

[VFP]

Can I do it tomorrow?
I feel like shit today and was about to go to bed!

I do have games to back up my T3 meta to show though.

[VFP]

@Dwlee.

I have 2 recent scum games with T3 that I want to point out.

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=86933
This game is pushing Grampa as town.

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=86832
This game is pushing Vax as town, I replaced in.

In both games T3 is just budding up and town reading town without actually reading the game.
T3 also likes to shade me or vote me as scum majority of the time as he knows I suspect players who call me town generally, plus even says himself in the scum PT to one of the aboth that I can read him.
These 2 games are prime examples of how T3 acts as town.
The only lies are genetic lies of x is town or I'm this role.

The only argument is that T3's town posting is obvious posts to thinking something over. I havent seen that here yet but it's still early days and I don't feel like T3 can hide it very well.
Town T3 is normally more scum read early game and pushed, a lot of the time an easy mis lim because people don't read into his posts properly.
As scum, because of the budding and laying low (this is in no concern of post count) T3 gets ignored more than not.

I do have His alt account in a scum game if needed, but I didn't realise it was T3 as the time and the play doesn't match up to the T3 account regardless imo.

[VFP]

2 days left. Who should I be voting?

[VFP]

VOTE: Nathan

I could also go BurgerParty

[VFP]

I don't understand your point here.

[VFP]

I didn't even realise that T3 put Nathan to E1 there.

[VFP]

felt weird for dwlee to return to voting nathann based on what i assume is still sheeping momrangal when they are suspecting t3 of being mafia, like i don't understand how they would be weighing that in that situation,

I'd be more worried if Dwlee wouldn't vote there for that alone.

[VFP]

Well there's a difference in suspecting someone and being confident.
If Dwlee labels Nathann as town due to being sus on T3, then it wouldn't be a genuine read and just an excuse to give a read on someone.

[VFP]

Waiiiiiiiiiiit a minute.

I think everyone is in a hood.

Read the game name.
It makes sense to have more than 1 for a few reasons.

We already discussed this in our head. In the 3rd is outted they can confirm.

[VFP]

@Pooky - V/LA over the weekend.

Huge game this weekend so I'm going to avoid MS all weekend and just enjoy it coming home!

[VFP]

VOTE: Bugspray

[VFP]

I'm just going to say here, Bugs and Dwlee were scum together .

[VFP]

I'm just going to say here, Bugs and Dwlee were scum together .

...you think dwlee claims conftown on one of his scumbuddies?

So the entire hood is just wierd and only makes sense as them both to be the same align.
They were both just trying to pocket me, even last night Bugs wanted to pocket me the same way as Dwlee.

It's just scum theatre in our hood.
Bugs originally tried to call me and Dwlee scum but last night was more concerned in where my thoughts were as if worried I was gonig to push there.

[VFP]

So I think there's 1 scum in the main team and 2/3 traitors.

Is there's another traitor then both Mom and T3 fit that perfectly.

Only 1 kill suggests only 1 team, and I guess the objective of the traitors are to help the 1 mafia, and that solo mafia shot a traitor.

Dwlee really wanted Bugs to town read him in the hood. And i think saying he knows he's town because he's informed was a way to say "I'm on your side".

Bugs should always be the lim here.

[VFP]

you traitor traitor traitor

This is why T3 should be considered as a traitor.
Which would probably mean Mena isn't town here.

With T3 claiming a survivor role, or like a survivor role and pushing for 2 scum teams I think he's trying to control where the lim goes so it doesn't hit scum.

Scums either Bugs or Mena.
T3 pushing Dwlee means that T3 traitor is most likely Mena scum.

We should start by looking at who town reads and scum reads T3 and Mena day 1.
I'll look more at that once I'm home.

[VFP]

We should start by looking at who town reads and scum reads T3 and Mena day 1.
I'll look more at that once I'm home.

Bugs and Mena, not T3.

[VFP]

Uh, no lmao. If this were true

then I’d have recruited him last night

, I may not be the *best* at spotting crumbs but there’s no way I miss something this obvious lol

Slip?

[VFP]

VOTE: Mena
Recruiting isn't that common for scum and traitors.

[VFP]

Uh

Yes it is lmao?

No it's not

[VFP]

VOTE: VFP
Either this is multiball or that was a townclaim.

Traitor trying to protect their scum.

[VFP]

This does mean that Bugs is also probably scum as well.
I suspect each hood has 1 scum 1 traitor 1 town.

With someone being recruited last night (maybe just T3 recruited)?

[VFP]

So you were recruited?

[VFP]

Then don't, scum.

[VFP]

No.

[VFP]

We both know that town me and scum me says no there regardless.

[VFP]

I think you're trying a little too hard to defend Mena here.

[VFP]

Okay, everyone who is scum vote me, everyone who is town vote Mena.
Then T3 tomorrow.

Sounds good.

[VFP]

Sure.

[VFP]

I'm just going to say here, Bugs and Dwlee were scum together .

there's just no fucking way anyone can say that in good faith. when thana was talking abotu how a nathan yeet was fine but she'd prefer dwlee and then i switch my vote from nathan to dwlee

do you know who never does that ever? someone who is scum with dwlee
i wouldnt even do that to make this argument as scum, that's just insane. vfp is probably traitor aligned with dwlee at which point so yeet there there's now 1sa vs 2sb vs 1su vs 3town and then scum have to basically both shoot townies for sb to win which is unlikely

VOTE: vfp
like omg you suck, but you're also scum as fuck

Dwlee was a traitor.
So you scum fucks didn't know.

[VFP]

Notice that the 3 I call scum are voting me?
Remember, T3 has already sold out that they are scum with Mena. Apparently getting a town pm is bad, that should be enough evidence.

[VFP]

T3, what exactly are you claiming to be informed over?
And don't say 2 shot Macho cop.

[VFP]

If T3 isn't lying about his informed this time then there are 2 scums and the setup is

Goon / recruiter
Traitor
Traitor

Goon / recruiter
Traitor
Traitor

Town
Town
Surviver

So my role says to kill all mafia, and this most likely includes Traitor.
Being town isn't the enemy here. The scum teams will be the enemy. Otherwise I would be in a PT with another town with some sort of killing power.
Also the fact of a survivor means it's teams of 4 v 4 v 3 (with T3 being the additional)

So since scum won't be looking for town to shoot, who is claiming to be town here other than me?
And if you're scum that hasn't recruited or a traitor that knows who scum is and not Mena, then I'm not where you want to lim.
Mena is confirmed scum here, and the other scum side took out 1 of Mena's traitors.
Dwlee could be either but I still think Bugs is the other scum.

Me and Bugs are never the 2 town otherwise its wierd to have us both in the hood with Dwlee.

[VFP]

what if we just yeet t3 out of spite and agree to just no kills tonight

This is just an out right scum claim.

[VFP]

It also confirms that scum have the killing option, not town.

[VFP]

Well unless we have a vig which I doubt there is no town kill.
And Bugs wasn't killed...

I can tell you now that no matter how bastard a game is, it will never be 6 scum vs 2 town with no communication or killing abilities from town.
We already know that scum have a kill thanks to Mena's slip.

[VFP]

No.
Remember when you thought all PRs were a mailman?
Yeah, this is basically on that level of thinking.

[VFP]

Hmm that's interesting.
I'm going to think this over.

[VFP]

T3, unvote me for the time being while I go over stuff.

[VFP]

Which is Mafia.

[VFP]

Is this one of your tactics to get scum to out, T3?

[VFP]

Okay, and what if I were to say I think there's 2 town in Mom, Burger and Nathann?

[VFP]

So there

are

more than 2 town?

[VFP]

I think you know what I'm getting at by this point.

[VFP]

Okay, and what if there's 2 town in those 3 names?

[VFP]

But what of there is?

[VFP]

Someone can hammer, just to show T3 how wrong he is.

[VFP]

Shoot T3.

[VFP]

Nah, I don't self hammer as this align.