MT 2219: The Battle of Calculasia - Endgame

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The only way DGB gets another result is if it survives to 3 player lylo. I'm not inclined to eliminate it for that reason. It's forced to put itself into voting first or claiming to check the dead guy which is rather suspect. It's more likely scum will kill DGB if we eliminate scum today or tomorrow.

Thank god I didn't pick the dead guy.

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WTF was my reaction to being alive today.

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What about the other NKs?

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VOTE: DrippingGoofball

No. No. Fuck that. I'm not taking your shit right now. You don't get to decide ifbother people are being genuine or not.

If you assume scum were always killing because of suspicion then DGB is scum here.
Then you get DGB with me(incorrectly) or Galron

Which would make Murdercat’s reads mostly wrong which defeats the Murdercat was killed for reads argument unless frame job.

So like some players have to be killed for not reads reasons

FINALLY

I was waiting for the scum to out themselves as to why Jake was killed.

I didn't say a thing the morning of, because I felt I was being FRAMED, and that the NK was the sign of a

social

gamestate manipulative scum team more than a

mech

manipulative scum team.

Over and over MathBlade has been throwing little hints what we should look at why Jake was NK'd, but no one took the bait - especially not me.

At last someone (MathBlade) blurted out that Jake was killed for his "reads" - which was no read at all, it was just Jake being angry with me for calling out his trollish ways. He was vig bait, not scum NK bait. That's why the NK always felt soooooo manipulative to me.

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Didn't I say Jake was killed for opposing A50? Let me check.

It could be a reason, but it's more of a sideways hit than a direct hit.

MathBlade, who replaced in a scummy, replacement-rich slot, has been making cases that I'm scum every day. One day, in anger, Jake votes me, and finds himself dead'ed in the morning.

It just fits into MathBlade's day time agenda so tightly.

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I lied so that you don't kill me.

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Also I wasn't 100% sure that it was you who was the manipulative mastermind behind the Jake NK. I figured it was very much in Titus' wheelhouse or yours.

Now I know it was yours.

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Dgb, thought on Galron

Both Galron and Whemestar are in the same category for me - people that I find hard to read. Gun to the head, I'd say Galron is town and Wheme is scum. So my solve today is MB and Wheme. Let me check what MB has said about both of these players.

It's not impossible that both are scum together, but on account of the NKs, I'd say one of them has got to be you or MB, and I don't believe it's you.

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WhemeStar+*
Is it bad you believe the nom claim? No? Your beliefs are your beliefs. I think with claims out so far I think it might be a good idea for you to extrapolate some. Assuming you’re town then if nom is town you either save Nom or demonstrate what pinged you and then we can use it as a starting point. If nom is scum then you learn how to judge nom claims better. Assuming you’re scum there’s risk involved but I think you’re town and it’s antitown to go into those risks so gonna quit rambling now.

So I see Wheme a lot in MB's POE, but never an actual push, so far.

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Galron+
I see where Galron started with T3 but I don’t think T3 is scum because it’s kinda dumb to claim informed early if scum. Yes usually informed is scum only but I think there’s some weird shit going on here. I like most of their progression and while I disagree with their logic on Nom I can see how someone would get there.

This is a lot of saying nothing.

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Urgh, I can't find fault with MB having null-ish reads on both these slots, so moving on.

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Oh I'm back to TR'ing MB, time to walk away from the computer.

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How does anyone decide who is scummier between WhemeStar and Galron?

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How does anyone decide who is scummier between WhemeStar and Galron?

NKA. What you should have used to catch me in Deco.

No offense Titus but when you’re scum your kills make as much sense as a 100 page proof.

That's a very topical dis

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I would expect a self-respecting scum team to have bus'ed Wheme for future town cred. He'd be more useful to scum dead than alive, even if PR.

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I use lots of techniques as scum and me being scum in the past is not an argument as to why I am scum now.

Then why did you do exactly this to me?

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He's the only slot that objected to an A50 elimination.

But he was scumreading me at the end. Mathblade tried to frame me.

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Toog roleblocked Galron who immediately voted him. It suggests Galron knew he was blocked, but obviously wasn't the scumkiller outright. If this is correct, scum!Galron is claiming a vig of somesort. 1 shot vig most likely.

wait what where

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Wheme, Informed Neighbor.

I think that's scummier than Galron.

See, Wheme is pretty much just trolling. So good luck making a case; cuz you can't.

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MathBlade+
Me the math loving person who apparently has all the value to the yard and makes all the theorems say what variables are enabled?

I am a vig enabler Titus. This is my confusion.

I have been trying to die for a few days now so people see why the fuck I am so confused as to what the fuck you’re doing.

I practically have screamed my role for multiple game days now

Well here's DGB's theory that every normal has to have a misleading role.

Could be scum vig enabler, too.

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What if, wild guess, scum have a redirector/bus drivor?

That's something scum would say.

I don’t think so. I think Jake knows when to holster his trolling and when to town and I think I am starting to see it.

I just hope he can see what I can enable or could depending on how he sees English/history or whatever

This is where I said “Hey Jake I think you’re the vig”

Vigs have guns and can holster them.

Vig enabler

Oof. You were way too subtle. Even if Jake was a vig, I doubt he'd have picked up on this.

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Toog was already an outed roleblocker before this point. If Galron was scum and knew he was blocked why vote Toog? I mean he’d know Toog blocked him.

Where did Galron imply that he knew he had been roleblocked?

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assume scum have a bus driver

NO EVIDENCE

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It sounds like the two of you know Galron is town

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I love how Wheme is still under the radar.

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Whoever is scum... Wheme is the universal partner.

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I love how Wheme is still under the radar.

And I hate how you’re not giving reads.
And you’re not explaining how follow the cop doesn’t exist.

I've been giving reads nonstop.

I have soured on setup speculation this year.

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You can iso Wheme in under a minute.

It's all gas. It's un-case-able.

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And I am like
DGB + Galron
And Titus + Wheme are top theories

And Titus and MathBlade mutually won't vote each other so

Titus + MathBlade

Same logic.

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Oh, yeah.
Wheme has some really easy meta that I'm going to do soon. Toog always radiates scumminess as either alignment so I'm not sure. Titus and A50 I have no idea how to read.

Wheme is a paragon of meta towniness.

T3 can say that as town or scum.

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VOTE: WhemeStar

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UNVOTE:

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Just trying to make the scum sweat.

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VOTE: MathBlade

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UNVOTE:

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I like the idea of Galronvoting first

How about me voting you first?

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VOTE: WhemeStar

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UNVOTE: WhemeStar

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What do you make of Titus townblock ing me DGB?

You're buddies.

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You've been townblocking each other all game. Titus more than MathBlade.

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DGB, I want you to keep your vote on.

I'm afraid the two of you are going to hammer.

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Of course it makes no sense, I don't flocking know.

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DGB, I want you to keep your vote on.

I'm afraid the two of you are going to hammer.

But why would you be considering seriously voting Wheme if we're the scumteam?

The fact that you asked me to vote Wheme sent chills down my spine.

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And Wheme and Galron are on the sidelines

Maybe they are the pair.

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I just can’t make this setup work

Welcome to 2021.

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Okay I don’t like DGB voting me

I voted you for all of 15 seconds.

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They're probably calling us all idiots in the dead thread.

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I am town.

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Funny how the very active players are encouraging the player that hasn't paid attention all game to cast the deciding vote.

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I hope you're refreshing like a maniac on steroids because they're going to vote within seconds of each other.

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I'm still town.

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Hmmmm maybe you're town...

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It would be more satisfying to yeet MathBlade than Galron.

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It could be Titus/MB.

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If Galron is town, that is.

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Well that's true.

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MathBlade Galron

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Okay well my two teams were DGB Titus or mathblade galron

It was this post.

I am still entertaining the possibility that he is scum.

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Galron not having been hammered doesn't look good for him, so there goes my slight town read.

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I fully expect to die.

Why would you die before me?

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DGB, do you mind being leashed? I'm not sure if that's a good idea yet. If we leash you to someone unlikely to be NKed, we have more chance of a 50/50 tomorrow or scum nightkill someone widely suspected.

I'm for sure getting NK'd, but isn't it better if the scum doesn't know?

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VOTE: whemestar

You didn't get that auto Titus vote you guys were expecting.

Explain?

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Galron making more sense than Wheme. Is it AI?

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Can you make those calculations again, but including you-scum as a possibility.

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You made no case, so by default Galron makes more sense.

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What have you done to convince me of your alignment either way?

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VOTE: Mathblade

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

die scum

WhemeStar is conftown to everyone.

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I probably overplayed the wifom a bit. Oh boy.

I'm alive for the WIFOM that MathBlade has been cultivating all game.

I investigated MB and he is not aligned with the Council of Calculasia aka scum.

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I just if I was in the mood to gamble I would just quick vote DGB here.

hahahahahahahah
awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

hahahahahaha

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There is 0 chance that I'm voting anyone else. ZERO.

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I mean if I was scum why let you get off a check?

Oh I knew you were going to let me live this time, I knew it.

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If find this very scummy coming from MathBlade because

my guilty is a correct guilty

.

the “smart” thing to do is just sheep it but I am struggling with that.

Another MathBlade quote pings:

"its play doesn’t lead toward it being a cop"

- as if my anyone can pigeonhole my play.

DGB isn’t even trying

I got a guilty, I want my guilty to be eliminated, how am I "not trying???"

I have the second highest post count in the game and I'm "not trying."

Titus, I think MathBlade may be scum here. I'd appreciate your input.

I'm sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo excited

This is the best finish ever

<3 MathBlade

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You can flail around

I'm not flailing,

you

're flailing, I got a guilty and that's that.

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It just dawned on me you NK'd WhemeStar.

You probably think you can manipulate Titus better than I ever could. That's almost certainly true.

Why would I NK WhemeStar? He said he'd never vote me.

You painted yourself into a corner.

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I'm literally doing yoga inside a 500 lb bale of loose weed while enjoying intravenous Ben and Jerry's.

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Are you trying to convince me you're town? I have a guilty.

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@DGB, I doubt you missed my crumbs threatening you.

Which ones

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Humor me and highlight them.

The ones about leashing my choice?

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Humor me and highlight them.

The ones about leashing my choice?

That wasn't the big one.

It must have gone over my head.

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Titus, MathBlade will write 100 words for every word I post. He will run circles around me. He persuaded you that he was town all game.

I cannot fight him off

mano a mano

, so to speak. It's not an even fight.

I'll be glad to answer questions and refresh your memory.

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Is that the threat? I'm too lazy to click on img links for future reference.

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DGB, where was your paranoia of me bussing Galron?

For the longest time I thought Galron was more likely to flip town than Wheme, and I pretty much town-read you until yesterday when I started to wonder if you were scum with MathBlade because you've been protecting him - from my suspicions in particular.

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Is that the threat? I'm too lazy to click on img links for future reference.

It's an image of the word Deco.

Underneath is a picture of someone unfolding a note reading "I know what you did last summer".

You were scum in that game ????????????????

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MB knew that Galron was going to flip town, I didn't. It was easy for him to look better than me. Galron gave up because his buddy decided to sacrifice him. If I were his buddy, I would be giving him encouragement in the scum PT, he would have kept fighting.

I am in ELO for the WIFOM. MB has been intimating that I am scum all game.

I always smite my enemies as scum. I would have NK'd him lightning speed. If he's still alive it's because I can't kill him. I would have also kept Wheme alive.

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Let me put it this way.

To believe that I am scum, you have to believe that I, DrippingGoofball, decided that my best path to victory would be to go against a brother and sister pair with a lifetime of practice persuading each other, and claim a guilty on the brother that the sister has been town reading all game. You'd have to believe that I have the hubris to plan to engage in a battle of wits against MathBlade and expect to win when your town read has been so close to unwavering that I was entertaining the possibility that you were scum with each other.

Instead of WhemeStar who swore he'd never vote me.

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1) I had a guilty result that players were fighting, some even voted me. I focused on the task.
2) We don't know what powers MB has, I doubt it's "vig enabler." That would mean TWO red herring scum roles when one includes the flavor cop. Vig enabler is an easy fakeclaim when there is a scum doctor and you want to out a vig.
3) I thought Toogeloo was lying and in cahoots with nom so I trusted nothing about the claim.
4) Yes, you can say i misplayed, but it's part and parcel of being uniformed.
5) I obviously don't have a NK and MB is lying.

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@Math, Why doesn't DGB scum shoot me?

@DGB, Why check Math?

Wheme was conftown to me, he was out of the question.

So it was between you and MathBlade. If I got an inno, the other was guilty. But I was 90% sure MB was the one. I wanted MB more than Galron yesterday.

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That's why YOU killed him.

Wheme was conftown from vote pattycakes.

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Titus, there is no world where I would leave MB alive as scum. No world in which I would expect to win in elo against you two.

This is MB's fantasy Elo... and my nightmare Elo.

I have been town reading you pretty much all game, and you've been townreading MathBlade all game... and now I'm supposed to convince you that your BROTHER is scum

in extremis.

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@DGB, why Xlos for a check

I can kick myself for this, because my check was on MathBlade all night. Then at the last second, I had some misgivings.

You were heavily townreading MathBlade, and no one shared my suspicions. Whereas Xlos, I was townreading, and everyone else was scumreading.

So I thought... I was wrong on Toogeloo, what if I'm wrong again, maybe the other players are right. So just before dawn I PM'd the mod and changed my choice.

If the mod shared that in the dead thread, I probably got a verbal beating from the game afterlife

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Wheme was conftown from vote pattycakes.

Why did everyone think this? It ruined my plans. Wheme could have still been scum with Galron.

Very very long shot for Wheme to be scum with Galron. The combination of pattycake AND his behavior sealed it for me.

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DGB argues the kill was made for the social state, which is a kill DGB is more likely to make than you. You argue the kill was role related.

Maybe it's inherent bias. I'm a social state player, MB is more a mech player. Also MB is scum so you have to take that into consideration.

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It's all very simple.

THIS IS MY NIGHTMARE ELO right here.

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You both gain something.

This Elo wasn't decided last night, this Elo was cultivated all game.

You know my scum game, I start planning Elo on Day 2 or 3.

It's safe to assume that MathBlade did the same.

You have to look further back than last night to figure out whose winning threesome Elo combo this is.

Again, there is no world where I would keep the two of you siblings alive townreading each other and knowing how to persuade or push the other's buttons.

Look at me now; I'm powerless. I can't butter you up and say, "now, now, Titus you have a good night's sleep, have a good day in court" because you and I don't have that out-of-game connection. But MathBlade can slip that in.

You are detail-oriented, so is MathBlade. I'm a relatively more scatterbrained. This Elo is my worst-case scenario, cleverly engineered by your brother.

If only I'd kept my second target on MathBlade. I second-guessed myself and lost.

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Ok, I think I'm going to hammer you Math. Final thoughts?

OMG the heavens are opening up

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If only I'd kept my second target on MathBlade.

If only I'd kept my second target on MathBlade.

If only I'd kept my second target on MathBlade.

If only I'd kept my second target on MathBlade.

If only I'd kept my second target on MathBlade.

I will beat myself up for a long time over this.

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Yes the dead chat is laughing.

I can't believe you did this.

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Congratulations MathBlade, you really worked hard for it.

Remember to kill all replacements!

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He really does know your number it's to his credit.

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Ok, I think I'm going to hammer you Math. Final thoughts?

I really was jumping with you there YOU MEANIE

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"OMG she's seeing through the MathBlade Scumfog and is going to bring the win home for the town!"

:sadtrombone:

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Mathblade did work hard. I did consider both of you for the record.

Gg Titus.

Titus' townread of you was instrumental in making players shy to scumread you, and a big reason why I switched my choice from you to Xlos.

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He never did let up. I felt the crumb off odd was just well odd. Vig enabler made no sense, but combining is with the mean value theorem did. The mean is the average. On average, an enabler enables something.

New site meta, PRs are there to help you lose the game, as is any form of setup speculation.

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"OMG she's seeing through the MathBlade Scumfog and is going to bring the win home for the town!"

:sadtrombone:

There's a lot of notes I did. Some of which are on my laptop and won't be seen.

Ultimately MathBlade was the better player, he really did come into a twice-replaced scumslot and engineered every day to lead to this.

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And DGB and you were never supposed to make it to elo.

I was actually going to kill DGB last night until thing I can’t say due to site rules

It's possible that Wheme would have been an easier yeet today than me, but you had it in the bag yesterday even as we were disposing of your team mate.

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About the you-know-what - it just increased everyone's pleasure so let's roll with it.

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I was vig hunting with Jake trying to find the reason we had a doctor

Pedit 1 shot strongman

I accept these mod shenanigans in theme games.

But it did work against you.

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If MathBlade didn't bus, I yeet him. That was another factor against you.

I don't understand.

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Wheme was still doable though. You could have set him up for the yeet.

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I blocked

TWO

scum, oh yeah!

...and then got eliminated for it.

Please accept my heartfelt post game apologies.

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It's all good . You're forgiven.

I didn't think you were scummy, it was just the business with nom.

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DGB, I will throw you into a pit of snake oil if you ever suggest that I am only acting confused in a game of Mafia again.

Next time I will trust that you are genuinely confused