Mini Theme 2222: Open Draft Mafia [Game Over]

[Titus]

I don't like that House paints the A50 votes as opportunistic, sure, there is valid reason to suggest that, but what's the point of suggesting so? Feels bad faith.

Not bad faith at all.

I don't scumread Infinity for theirs. It just strengthened my scumread of T3 for hopping on the first convenient "gotcha" post that came along AFTER someone else started the wagon when he originally replied to that post before they did.

Bad faith? Try zero faith.

Infinity possible partner

[Bingle]

I investigated Bingle last night, claim.

I was untargetable.

Now is the point that we should claim any disproportionately scum oriented roles that were in our opening packs like commuter, multitasking, strongman, ascetic.

My pack had two commutes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Bingle if Infinity is saying the truth then you were wrong about Infinity.
I don’t think they would claim a guilty on their teammate here.

[Bingle]

Dunnstral -> A50
Bingle -> Dwlee
Infinity 324 -> House
Almost50 -> mastina
Dwlee99 -> Titus
House -> T3
mastina -> NDMath
Titus -> Norwee
T3 -> Dunn
NDMath -> Bingle
NorwegianboyEE -> Infinity

[NorwegianboyEE]

Are there any miller type roles to pick or that can interfere with an disloyal result?

[Bingle]

Bingle if Infinity is saying the truth then you were wrong about Infinity.
I don’t think they would claim a guilty on their teammate here.

I'm open to reconsidering Infinity, although I don't consider claiming a guilty to be locktowning here immediately.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Claiming a fake guilty on the beginning of day 2 seems wack though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well actually, i have seen it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But that time i thought they were the scummiest conf!town player in my life and had argued for their death prior to their "guilty’s death. So it was an gambit that in hindsight felt pretty obvious.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Talking about Battle Mage in post above.

[Bingle]

I have a guilty (disloyal checker)

This is very nearly the correct format for claiming results.

The correct format for claiming results is "I have a guilty/innocent on [Player]." Anyone who investigates should use this format.

We want reactions before we actually know what type of guilty/innocent it is. For example, if Housescum performed the NK, he would have to worry about whether this was a disloyal checker, gunsmith, or tracker, all of which would get false positives in different ways.

[Dwlee99]

I don't think there are false positives on disloyal checker.

[NorwegianboyEE]

There is an false positive if they lie, but if you mean mechanically then ok.

[Bingle]

Claiming a fake guilty on the beginning of day 2 seems wack though.

I don't think we should be having this conversation before House arrives to talk about why there's a guilty on him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

There’s also town lying. For an myriad of reasons, maybe they’re just that convinced about their scumread and wants us to sheep them for once.
Why did you check House Infinity?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Claiming a fake guilty on the beginning of day 2 seems wack though.

I don't think we should be having this conversation before House arrives to talk about why there's a guilty on him.

Ok, i’m impatient. I ask all the questions.
I’ll shut up then.

[Bingle]

1553 is how the packs passed, btw. Whatever cyrus and flea had is gone.

[Bingle]

Ok, i’m impatient. I ask all the questions.
I’ll shut up then.

Nah, it's a conversation I 100% endorse having, I just want to wait to see the reaction before we do.

I also wish I'd seen the guilty before responding to Math.

[NDMath]

I investigated Bingle last night, claim.

I was untargetable.

Now is the point that we should claim any disproportionately scum oriented roles that were in our opening packs like commuter, multitasking, strongman, ascetic.

My pack had two commutes.

That checks out.
The final commute and a 1shot roleblock coming your way.

[Titus]

I investigated Bingle last night, claim.

I was untargetable.

Now is the point that we should claim any disproportionately scum oriented roles that were in our opening packs like commuter, multitasking, strongman, ascetic.

My pack had two commutes.

I would have claimed anything I felt was scum oriented, but my mileage may vary.

[Bingle]

Alright, masons.

Dunn either picked or passed mason.

If anyone other than Dunn had mason in their opening pack, they should claim so now. If they chose mason, it will show up on their corpse if they die. If they did not chose mason, it will not. That means we can narrow down who can have picked mason. A50 will know tonight whether Dunn chose or did not choose mason, at which point A50 can choose or not choose mason. The day before XLO, we can work backwards to find out who actually chose the masons and have conftown or a mech 1v1. Mason should be chosen by N3 at the latest, preferably by tonight if there's not a pressing need to pick something else (for example N2 investigative).

[NorwegianboyEE]

Maybe i’m being dumb but why would we care about masons today? Isn’t it a bit early?

[T3]

VOTE: house

[Bingle]

Maybe i’m being dumb but why would we care about masons today? Isn’t it a bit early?

We care if the second mason exists. Otherwise the card is a VT.

The game just ended, so I can explain T3. Call it gut, but T3 here doesn't feel at all like T3 in Situation Room. In that game, T3 scum just kind of rolled over and died when it became likely he was a defacto elim, and here he's continuously been solvey and active. Additionally, the cases/pushes on him have been reminiscent of those from both Isises and TBones and Townstumps, which makes me think he's town.

[Bingle]

We care if the second mason exists. Otherwise the card is a VT.

This probably didn't help anything.

Basically, knowing if there is a potential masonry is a good thing because it prevents fakeclaiming shenanigans later, but also obscures the identity of the mason enough that scum isn't likely to be able to hit a mason blindshooting and so won't prioritize killing there. This increases reliability of a late game mason pair claim which drastically improves town EV.