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[Bingle]

And Dunn. Apparently he hasn't checked in today either.

[NDMath]

I'm sorry if I'm being an idiot but

If he took a 1-shot activated ascetic

Why not say that he took a 1-shot activated ascetic

What is the benefit to saying he took a commuter instead??

Commuter cannot have another action. Ascetic can perform the factional kill.

This seems far and away the most likely scenario.

For me to be scum from this I say "yo Bingle you're getting a commute card" and then tomorrow "lol jk please don't kill me". It basically locks scum!me into killing bingle tonight for no benefit at all. Then I also get into this cc from the 1 remaining commute card being in play versus Bingle's safer bet needing two for two.

@NDMATH, What did you use to investigate Bingle?

I just want to hear what

NDMath used to target Bingle and why.

Then I'll be ready to end the day.

It was the N1 Follower.
When considering candidates to investigate I crossed off everyone besides T3, norwee, and Bingle. Bingle being more mechanically oriented, would as scum nearly always be the member deciding night actions and because of this is greater than rand chance to commit the kill due to it being easier to just say ill do it than make someone else. I liked his method for claiming and felt more comfortable saying it to him than someone else. Also investigating a major wagon of yesterday with something weaker than a cop shot didn't make sense.



For packs, as Titus said everyone who receives a 1shot commuter tonight needs to take it.
Also, I want Mastina to take the Vanilla card (from originality A50's pack). They are incriminated from bingle scum as well as the deck pass, and forcing the two strongmans to be taken N4 and N5 is just better anyway.

[Titus]

VOTE: House

[Dunnstral]

That's 4 commuters in N1 packs when the wiki says only 3 can exist.

Very interesting. I can confirm that my pack did not have a commute.

[Dunnstral]

NDMATH has no reason to lie (unless some off the wall scum with Bingle). I have no reason to lie.

My point is that no one has a reason to lie right? Like wouldn't bingle have to pass to a teammate to avoid getting caught? And the teammate would then claim commute when they didn't have one and could easily get caught lying themself?

This whole thing makes no sense

No. Bingle's deck likely has a commute in it fmpov.

The likely lie is that he didn't use an N1 commute. Rather, he took 1-shot activated ascetic N1. That would also make him immune to NDMATH'S check.

Ok but again, why lie

Ok but again, why lie

Bingle needs a reason that NDMATH didn't get a result on checking that doesn't require a roleblocker targeting NDMATH. The only options are commuter and ascetic. Both are 1 shot.

We have a guilty on House today and I suspect a guilty on Bingle tomorrow.

I'm buying this

[Dunnstral]

I investigated Bingle last night, claim.

I was untargetable.

Now is the point that we should claim any disproportionately scum oriented roles that were in our opening packs like commuter, multitasking, strongman, ascetic.

My pack had two commutes.

That checks out.
The final commute and a 1shot roleblock coming your way.

So it's a 1v1 between bingle/ndmath or bingle/titus on day 3.

Bingle is right, this is acceptable even if he's town and we get it wrong

[Dunnstral]

That's e-1 on house. Will let mastina post, unless house self-hammers.

[T3]

I just don't get why someone would lie about that.

[mastina]

Flea The Magician: Titus, T3, Infinity 324, NorwegianboyEE, NDMath, Dunnstral, Bingle

On principle, I refuse to vote anyone outside of the above because when you fucking eliminate my strongest townread on D1 (who then flips town) you live with the damn consequences of that--a refusal of me to vote outside of that wagon.

Which means in spite of Infinity's guilty on House, no, I'm not making an exception to this rule. House was outside of this, not voting House as a consequence.

I'm not going to vote Infinity; I've the least grudge against Bingle so not there, either; Titus is Taly so not voting there, so:
Not gonna vote outside of {T3, NorwegianboyEE, NDMath, Dunnstral}.

Just on principle.

VOTE: T3.

[mastina]

I think Bingle > Titus > NDMath is my believing order for this whole commuting thing.

Honestly, same.

Why say that he has a commute in his pack
When he doesn't

A bit of a useless question since

someone

did this if there is in fact a maximum of 3 commutes possible--with 4 claimed, that means someone did. The question of "why say they have a commute when they don't" can be asked of all 3 claims, and the answer is baffling regardless of which is the liar, but if our collective understanding of the mechanics is correct, there is in fact a liar.

[Infinity 324]

A bit of a useless question since someone did this if there is in fact a maximum of 3 commutes possible--with 4 claimed, that means someone did. The question of "why say they have a commute when they don't" can be asked of all 3 claims, and the answer is baffling regardless of which is the liar, but if our collective understanding of the mechanics is correct, there is in fact a liar.

Sure, but if there is an explanation it might help us think about who would be the most likely to lie.

Turns out there is (bingle not wanting to admit he took an ascetic) but it's not that satisfying to me because I'm still wondering why he wouldn't just take the commuter.

[NDMath]

A bit of a useless question since someone did this if there is in fact a maximum of 3 commutes possible--with 4 claimed, that means someone did. The question of "why say they have a commute when they don't" can be asked of all 3 claims, and the answer is baffling regardless of which is the liar, but if our collective understanding of the mechanics is correct, there is in fact a liar.

Sure, but if there is an explanation it might help us think about who would be the most likely to lie.

Turns out there is (bingle not wanting to admit he took an ascetic) but it's not that satisfying to me because I'm still wondering why he wouldn't just take the commuter.

So he can be ascetic while committing the kill, since commuter typically means you can't do anything else that night. (Granted it's not on the open draft wiki page so this may be incorrect)



@Mastina Do you have any protest to taking the Vanilla role from your pack tonight? {Vanilla, Neighbor, 1-Shot Strongman, 1-Shot Strongman}

[Bingle]

Also, I want Mastina to take the Vanilla card (from originality A50's pack). They are incriminated from bingle scum as well as the deck pass, and forcing the two strongmans to be taken N4 and N5 is just better anyway.

If mastina thinks she can get mileage out of Neighbor I'd actually prefer that, as it proves she didn't take SMan tonight should anyone else ever pick neighbor.

[Titus]

I'd rather get the Strongmen out of the deck.

[Bingle]

So he can be ascetic while committing the kill, since commuter typically means you can't do anything else that night. (Granted it's not on the open draft wiki page so this may be incorrect)

This is correct, commuter cannot perform the kill. Me having picked ascetic over commuter N1 would most definitely imply that I was scum and that either I was passing my pack to a scumbuddy or that I was the only one on my team trusted to make the kill that night.

Given that I'm not scum... Kind of a moo point.

[House]

So...

VOTE: Infinity

My n1 action was a Psychologist check of T3. He's inno.

I'm guessing Infinity Rolecopped me.

[House]

I don't like that House paints the A50 votes as opportunistic, sure, there is valid reason to suggest that, but what's the point of suggesting so? Feels bad faith.

Not bad faith at all.

I don't scumread Infinity for theirs. It just strengthened my scumread of T3 for hopping on the first convenient "gotcha" post that came along AFTER someone else started the wagon when he originally replied to that post before they did.

Bad faith? Try zero faith.

Infinity possible partner

The player that faked a guilty on me is a possible partner?

I know I like gambits, but c'mon.

[Infinity 324]

Ooh fun WIFOM

[House]

I hope nobody has to ask why I checked THE of all people, btw.

I was all over him on d1 and it annoyed me that nobody was listening. I was wanting to come in today and shove a guilty result down all your throats.

[House]

I hope nobody has to ask why I checked T3* of all people, btw.

I was all over him on d1 and it annoyed me that nobody was listening. I was wanting to come in today and shove a guilty result down all your throats.

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[NorwegianboyEE]

THE and Communism sure are players.

[House]

THE and Communism sure are players.

Too slow.

Try to keep up.

[NorwegianboyEE]

We should probably just eliminate House here as if they’re town then Infinity is pretty much auto scum. Which again, why would scum!Infinity make that move.
And if it’s SvS as Bingle seemed paranoid it could be then we still take it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I won’t hammer yet as i think more time for info is good.

[House]

Yeah titus being scum here makes the least sense to me. The only thing I can think is that bingle is scum because he would do a silly -EV gambit. Math doesn't strike me as the type to even think about something like that.

Bingle? Scum?

What even is this? Bingle has been the solviest player in the game.