Open 820: The Siege of Aurelia — Game Over!

[PenguinPower]

[unwnd]

I may be wrong on Implo because I feel like Dunn is town this game

[skitter30]

to my posts in the last game of this, and he feels, on some level, like he is really trying to convince her he is town

I feel like this too
Honestly in my mind the game feels somewhat solved:
-implo at gate
- unwnd at wall
- vote t3 at keep

Exact opposite of my reads so you're probably scum

I mean if ur reads are opposute of me i feel the same of u

[Something_Smart]

Scum are not even incentivized to have bad reads. In general they are incentivized to bus, I think.

[catboi]

Ugh - this has not been helpful so far.

Sorry? If there's a way I can be more useful, let me know.

[PenguinPower]

It’s not due to any one person.

[skitter30]

The fact that both people at keep are scumreading t3 js troubling. @catboi why is t3 scum?

[catboi]

On review of unwnd's (nightmarishly long) meta from last time, I'm okay with calling him town here. There were some flares of anger in that game but it was almost bitterness at being shut out from other people's reads, a bit of self-conscious panic, it didn't have the same self-righteousness as here. It's also the way he's responded to people that's different, there's been something in the way of really appealing to them. I also expect Dunn to read him fairly well if he's town, so there's that.

Also that lost popin from S_S was, well, scummy.

If I'm wrong on unwnd, I still think him/skitter aren't really aligned, though. Not like they couldn't be distancing in the way they acted, I'm just not sure they

bother

with such an elaborate song and dance? Most people distance in a more straightforward way.

[catboi]

The fact that both people at keep are scumreading t3 js troubling. @catboi why is t3 scum?

Why is it particularly troubling, if at least one of us is town? I sort of didn't expect this to be the play Dunn would make as scum. I'm mostly suspicious that gate-scum is trying to steer me in the wrong direction, given y stated willingness to vote T3 on day 1. I'm not particularly sure I can actually read him well, as either alignment a lot of what he says is going to be inexplicable.

[PenguinPower]

So I will vote unwnd, there's just no reason to put him in self hammer range yet.

You should go ahead and vote.

[catboi]

Mmm, unwnd really did lay on the AtE very heavily as scum toward the end of last game but it still doesn't feel the same as here. I can't say I'm 100% confident though but he still felt more...rational?

I remembered already reasoning that unwnd/implo feels like nonsense, I'm not sure why, I guess the sense that implo jumping into the gate the way he did would be fairly against win condition. I'm not sure it makes as much sense to me now, maybe I can reread myself and see if I can find a clearer explanation.

[skitter30]

The fact that both people at keep are scumreading t3 js troubling. @catboi why is t3 scum?

Why is it particularly troubling, if at least one of us is town? I sort of didn't expect this to be the play Dunn would make as scum. I'm mostly suspicious that gate-scum is trying to steer me in the wrong direction, given y stated willingness to vote T3 on day 1. I'm not particularly sure I can actually read him well, as either alignment a lot of what he says is going to be inexplicable.

I think the easiest way to win keep is for you or dunn to vote t3. At least in my solve that will win keep for us

I'm also a little troubled that you're not as willing to vote rn as you were saying you were when you took keep

Also both me and implo are saying we both think t3 is town so like you also have a town who is saying this

I honestly cant read between you/dunn but if you're town i think the best thing you can do is try to sort out t3 because i believe he isnt too hard fo read

And yeah he's inexplicable but like i'm p sure this isnt how scum-t3 approaches this game - he's fairly sedate, taking things as they go, and his reactions to things in thread is fairly natural. He isn't making outlandish plays to manipulatw the game in (what he believes to be) a +scum direction, which is how he tends to play scum

He's too go-with-th-flow to be scum here i'm p sure

[catboi]

I do see why S_S at gate is bad.

I don't think I should go to gate at this point, I think ssbm is the only one somewhat advocating it and I also am in principle concerned about ssbm being confirmed and mishammering me. Though I guess actually at this point she should really try to be as ambiguous about her reads as possible to avoid giving scum any info about a gate related swap. That's true of unwnd as well. Anyone at the gate needs to keep their reads close to their chest before the swap. Maybe Penguin would be good at the gate by that logic since he's been I think leaving the most to the imagination with regards to what his actual reads are.

How did you get from here to hammering the gate?

[skitter30]

Unwnd how are u reading me rn?

Why is it so hard to get you to answer things >.>

[catboi]

Also both me and implo are saying we both think t3 is town so like you also have a town who is saying this

Well, yes, but the scum know who the scum are and are playing to that win condition. The town doesn't know.

[Something_Smart]

VOTE: unwnd

[catboi]

Now I'm paranoid of skitter :\

T3 and ssbm both say they want me at gate and she says she's probably okay with that and then i assume 592 is her saying she's going to go to gate anyway, immediately after that?? unless i'm misreading 592

This post makes me feel itchy.

[T3]

Yeah I really do weird stuff as scum lol

[T3]

I guess the problem with both implosion/skitter townreading me is that one is correct on me town but the other one is pocketing me.

[catboi]

In all seriousness, don't hammer just yet. I might want to resolve the keep first.

[catboi]

I guess the problem with both implosion/skitter townreading me is that one is correct on me town but the other one is pocketing me.

But what's the use in pocketing you?

[T3]

I guess the problem with both implosion/skitter townreading me is that one is correct on me town but the other one is pocketing me.

But what's the use in pocketing you?

Like the reads come from a bad faith perspective. Not really pocketing.

[catboi]

implo's end of day 1 sends me into a spiral and the way he so quickly formed his conclusions at the start of day 2 concerns me, yet as I process through I kind of like 822, the point about S_S feels like a good one.

[unwnd]

I want my block resolved first

[Dunnstral]

I want my block resolved first

Why?